Looks like someone took some shots at prez candidate Donald Trump at a rally in PA. From the videos I’ve seen, it looks like he did get grazed.
Guess some of those 2nd Ammendment guys might be “trying to do something about it” eh Donnie?
This is what you get when you preach hate 24/7. This isn’t a gameshow.
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The shooter and an audience member are dead. How Machiavellian do you think these people are that they’d kill two people for a PR stunt?
Yeah I too thought it was staged until bodies showed up. Anyone continuing to say this was staged at this point feels very Alex Jones.
I don’t think it was staged, but I also don’t think they would give a shit if other people died during a staged shooting.
I agree, but I don’t think Donny is brave enough to allow lethal ammo to stage anything.
Also true.
Honestly: do you think they have regard for people’s lives? Not that I think this is staged.
They’d surely have regard for Trump’s life, no? I mean “they” shot him in the ear. An inch closer and he’d likely be dead.
Did they shot him in the ear?
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What? Are you fucking delusional? I understand brown people are not really people for you guys there, but do you realize how many people indirectly and directly “these” people have killed in Syria alone, counting only cases of being simply too lazy?
Killing two people for fucking presidency? You think it’s unrealistic?
Anyway, the answer to the question “how Machiavellian” is “fully” for everybody participating in politics, because we are still homo sapiens and our time is just as Machiavellian as Machiavelli’s time, there are no naive people there, and if there are no poisonings and assassinations left and right there, that’s for the same reason only there are no nukings left and right on the map, not because they are moral.
I understand brown people are not really people for you guys
What the fuck… ?
How am I delusional for not thinking this was staged? The moving parts required for it to be staged are an order of magnitude more complex and voluminous than it just being a lone nut with an AR-15. Unless you have some actual solid verifiable evidence that calls the boring reality of the situation into question, I’d maybe dial down the rhetoric a tad.
Not that, just that it’s improbable because of lives soent
Also right as steam was picking up about Project 2025.
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I had to do a double take on that abbreviation
Right? USSS is the proper abbreviation for the United States Secret Service.
Same meaning at this point.
Schutzstaffel, as in protective service would probably be a better description of what they actually do I guess
Secret service better fits sg like the CIA
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Again, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just shot a random person, claimed they were the shooter and wrapped this up.
He is an abhorrently cruel person. And those that follow him are as well. None of this is outlandish enough to not be true.
Unless it was a blood capsule or something the guy is too much of a pussy to pull something like this off.
You recall that he wanted to rip off his suit and display a Superman logo after beating covid, right?
Id say it’s on brand.
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Plus an image of some blood on the bleacher from a live stream that kept running:
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Don’t stoop to that level. Assume it was real. Base your conclusions on evidence. Not conspiracies.
https://x.com/merylkornfield/status/1812263916497506711?s=46
According to a Washington Post reporter that talked with the district attorney, an audience member and the shooter are dead. Not a stunt.
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My worry is that some lunatic right winger is trying to push us to civil war.
We’re already there. They just haven’t started the American Violence™ phase yet. Right now we’re in the American Saber Rattling™ phase.
i keep thinking of that too…
Why?
I mean it might have been, but with the modern insanity around politics and guns and violence, and the general unhinged nature of the population generally, it’s equally or more likely to be some deranged person with a gun. WHY for the love of god add to the chaos by speculating without any evidence yet? Does it help?
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One of the attendees in the bleachers was hit:
https://imgur.com/a/V0SyhKENews is also saying that 2 are dead: https://news.sky.com/story/shots-fired-at-donald-trump-rally-as-former-president-rushed-off-stage-13177651
Butler County District attorney told the Associated Press (AP) that a shooter was dead and that a rally attendee had also been killed.
This doesn’t sound like it was staged.
that a shooter was dead
In other words he can’t be questioned
Absolutely. False flag for sure.
Edit: /s. Half of you are way too serious.
I dunno. I saw the footage. If the guy from Home Alone 2 was acting, he’d be a lot more blatant.
Plus, wouldn’t secret service be in on it? I bet you they can’t stand the guy either.
From my understanding, his service detail are all true believers. Remember, most LEOs and the like are very right wing.
Well, that may be true. According to AP, the gunman and an attendee are dead. So… not staged.
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At least two confirmed dead:
Butler County District attorney told the Associated Press (AP) that a shooter was dead and that a rally attendee had also been killed.
reap what you sow
Half the comments here are proving that people on the right aren’t the only ones who can indulge in stupid conspiracy theories.
It’s depressing as fuck.
What I find sad is that either option is equally plausible. That’s how low we have sunk.
It isn’t though. There is maybe a 0.01% chance that this was a false flag.
I know what’s happening is hard to swallow, and the ramifications are deeply troubling, but try not to succumb to baseless conspiracy theories.
There’s plenty of motive. An attendee was killed. The shooter was killed by Secret Service. There’s not really a reason to think this didn’t actually happen, except for cognitive dissonance.
0.01% chance based on what?
I think being unsure either way makes perfect sense. You gotta admit it doesn’t really line up with Trump’s character to be posing for the cameras if he’s actually being shot at. Though tou’re not wrong to say, that that isn’t proof of anything. It’s subjective feeling.
But, I think saying it’s entirely unlikely this was orchestrated isn’t right either.
Well, a conspiracy requires evidence, and without evidence there’s no reason to treat the conspiracy theory as credible.
Saying 0% would be unrealistic because there’s always a chance, but if you actually believe that this is a 50/50 toss-up, you’re just delusional and desperate to feel some sense of enlightenment like every other conspiracy theorist moron in the world.
Given that there is precisely zero evidence of what you are claiming, I’ll estimate as close to zero as I can without pretending it’s impossible.
But make no mistake, you are deliberately spreading disinformation.
I’m not claiming anything. It’s just really, really early after the event.
My choice of words was not ideal, and I apologize for that.
I’m just saying being unsure of what happened isn’t crazy so soon after the event.
You’re out here saying what is and is not likely based on your own feelings about what you feel is true.
It’s simply too early to say anything definitive about what level of conspiracy existed (in the traditional sense, of more than one person, conspiring).
I am not saying this was staged. I’m saying you’re jumping the gun, to say so confidently it wasn’t.
I wonder what the chances are that Russia did this.
Zero unless you have some sort of evidence of that.
The shooter was killed by Secret Service.
Very convenient.
I don’t disagree with you, but you completely missed my point.
Your point is that you think you’re allowed to spread misinformation if that misinformation sounds like it maybe could be true. This is the rationale of every conspiracy theorist ever. You’re not making an intellectually honest point here.
If your point is that you’re a dishonest person who cares more about narrative than facts, point received.
On this topic as a whole, it’s also proving people on the left are in favor of gun violence…
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Not like it really needs proving. When Marx writes about “revolution,” he means bloody, violent revolution.
Anyone advocating revolution needs guns to back it up or else they’re just full of hot air.
Elections were meant to be bloodless revolutions. Unfortunately with First Past The Post voting, the right options were not available to vote for. But we can change how we vote. We can make peaceful revolution possible with a more representative electoral system.
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Not every time at all. Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet were not defeated via guns.
And how! I love the irony tho.
I was thinking the same thing
What’s worse is that the MAGA crowd has Trump and some other figures intentionally playing conspiracies up and adding weight to them. The guys on the left don’t even have the excuse of Biden and company bullshitting.
Braindead comment.
How do you know their political leanings?
But why would you even think that people on the left are different from people on the right? This is why I’m not into politics myself. Because it all builds on some fake idea that one side is right about everything, even good people, while the other is wrong about everything, and probably are bad people as well.
In reality, both sides are very similar and have much more incommon with eachother than they have with the politicians they are trying to support.
Just quid pro quo.
Mr Trump could be seen ducking for cover behind the lectern.
I like attempted assassination victims that don’t duck for cover.
I say we elect that one guy behind him who barely reacts at all
Honestly, they’re all so dead inside up there that I’m amazed any of them even flinched.
It’ll take more than that to stop a Bull Moose!
I wonder how much we’re going to hear about the poor person who got shot in the head right behind him, or if they’re just incidental margin notes in history, overshadowed by the big WWE media theater that is Trump. Reports are saying at least two crowd members have died.
edit: the family of the victim has given an update that Trump hasn’t even attempted to reach out to them. And also, the guy was an avid nutcase, nazi and racist. The world won’t be worse-off, we can sleep easy.
Oh Trump will absolutely bring them up at every single rally to froth up the crowd. Because he may be the martyr they care about the most, but the martyrs who actually died will be great ammunition (I can’t think of a more appropriate word, sorry) to rile up the crowd.
That is assuming there is another rally, and today’s incident wasn’t just the catalyst for a Jan 6 sequel. Knowing his supporters, I’m not holding my breath, unfortunately.
Considering the number of people here claiming this was Trump staging a false flag, I am absolutely certain there are a similarly large number of people on the right saying this was Biden trying to assassinate Trump and something must be done. So I hope not.
Unfortunately, the number is likely going to be a lot higher.
I’m pretty sure a lot of the people here are (or at least me) are being joking/sarcastic about the false flag conspiracy. For us Lemmings, there’s no emotional stake in these events, whereas his supporters will be angered over anyone even attempting to kill their fascist idol…
I’m pretty sure a lot of the people here are (or at least me) are being joking/sarcastic about the false flag conspiracy.
I’m not sure of that at all, especially when emotions are running high.
I’m not absolutely discounting the possibility they they somehow found some schlub to die in a fake assassination attempt, but I’m also not going to come up with conspiracy theories until there’s been some time to go over evidence and analyze the situation.
I’m also not going to come up with conspiracy theories until there’s been some time to go over evidence and analyze the situation.
Respect for that. It’s a reasonable and rational response to today’s series of events, despite the temptations of role-playing as a conspiracy theorist to escape from having to think about the hypothetical consequences of said events.
Thats fine, isn’t Biden permitted to assassinate people while in office with immunity?
Republicans have blamed Joe Biden for the attempted assassination tonight, accusing the president of whipping up opposition to Donald Trump.
JD Vance, who is one of the frontrunners to be Trump’s running mate, said: “Today is not just some isolated incident. The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs.”
“That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination,” he added.
Mike Collins, a Republican congressman from Georgia, said: “The Republican District Attorney in Butler County, PA, should immediately file charges against Joseph R. Biden for inciting an assassination.”
He also tweeted that Mr Biden “sent the orders”.
Prosecuting the president for stochastic terrorism? That’s a precedent they really don’t want to set with Trump as their candidate.
That they are pushing it is evidence they don’t think they’ll have to follow the rule of law if they win.
That they are pushing it is evidence they don’t think they’ll have to follow the rule of law if they win.
They won’t. The Supreme Court already determined that.
All I’m hearing is that they think Biden told the truth and used the power the Heritage Foundation SCOTUS explicitly gave him, and now they’re inexplicably butthurt about it.
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I just hope they were crucial to Project 2025
Well things are about to get a whole lot worse. That raised fist is going to be printed on all the right-wing crazy stuff and they will use this to justify violence against anyone opposing Trump.
Jan 6 is going to look like pleasant stroll compared to what’s coming after this…
It was going to happen anyways eventually
pretty much. electoralism has never stopped fascism.
End stage capitalism any% WR exploit TAS
With the supreme court ruling regarding official acts we have already reached the point where democracy is on its last breaths.
This is the time for escalation that people can’t ignore in favor of bickering over if the non fascist is old.
if only it was that easy
Remember that Biden is immune thanks to the SCOTUS.
He has a alibi, he’s in Delaware. But as long as it was an official act, he could order it.
He wouldn’t do it himself. He would order Seal Team 6 to do t. They wouldn’t have missed, though.
Nah, this was obviously Hunter Biden in a Gritty Suit. The gunman who got massacred by the cops was just a patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald
A Libertarian friend from Florida joking suggested Hunter Biden. I think it was Melania.
I suppose we need even more guns.
This wouldn’t have happened if Trump had a gun on him smh
Or everyone else in the crowd had one
After giving due remarks, could Biden sign an executive order for sweeping gun control and name it after Trump and present this incident as the impetus?
No the executive can’t create laws.
Genius.
Disarming the resistance right before a fascist takeover is not the genius move you think it is.
Democrats_IRL
If he was wearing armor made of guns he wouldn’t be bleeding.
Practical solution for a practical problem
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I would not put this beyond him.
I think it would be. Not morally, just i don’t think he’s competent enough.
That’s called a false flag attack. I could believe it, but I could also believe it was a sincere attack.
Being serious about it for a moment, it’s extremely unlikely that it’s a false flag attack. It’s fun to joke about the idea, but the reality is that it doesn’t appear to be staged, and he’s far too much of a coward to agree to have somebody shoot at him.
Besides that, there’s plenty of politically-unaffiliated groups or individuals who would probably want him gone just for how his last term contributed to the abortion bans, reunification of church and state (in some states), government corruption, etc.
No one needs to actually shoot at him, he can just have a capsule of fake blood in his hand and smear it on himself at the right moment. It’s so easy even he can do it.
Could also have been a real shooter.
there’s also plenty of fence sitters and centrists who I sincerely believe would vote for him on tough guy vibes alone, despite him being a coward
Would he be told about this plan? It’d certainly be more convincing if he didn’t know, and was set up by the RNC.
Hes fully too much of a coward to be shot at.
But you’re assuming he was shot at. Ducked, hidden away from camera, then blood on him.
No one is ducking a bullet
Some? They anyone with a functional brain that has been paying attention. Nothing the dude has ever done has been honest.
From the article:
Trump stood up and held his fist in the air with what appeared to be blood dripping down his face.
Several secret service agents surrounded him as he put his hand up and appeared to shout “fight” to his supporters who began cheering.
An excellent PR stunt and call to action for his violent insurrectionist supporters, if you ask me.
Right after meeting with Orban who just met with Putin? I don’t know if I really think that, but I would say it’s possible.
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So? This happens in Schools all the time?
You raise a good point. I am far, far less heartbroken by this than Sandy Hook and Uvalde. Republicans made this all possible.
Well this is gonna raise his chances of winning by a large amount
People keep repeating this, but without convincing justification.
All I see is, people who were already energized to solidly vote trump, are now really really solidly already going to really vote for him now. I just don’t see how this will get someone to vote trump, who was either going to vote dem or not vote.
People just say things.
Christ. Now I’m envisioning his future campaign speeches. “They try to shoot me down, I am an immortal.”
we’ll never hear the end of it.
We will hear it for another 10 years when he finally has his hamburger heart attack.
Campaign? Doesn’t really need to even campaign anymore after this. Maybe he will mention it at a state of the confedarcy talk or something. These are such shitty times.
Sweet, shoot again
Immortan.
Immotan-gelo.
This fucking shooter could set behind democracy in the US for dozens of years. Land the shots and you martyr him, miss and you galvanize his support. Seriously the conservatives were starting to shift away from the far right after Epstein documents and Project 2025. Now deep state wackos will NEVER go away and resort to crazier armed shit. Seeing people comment that the shooter ‘was so close’ is insane and makes them no better than political extremists.
There’s also a ton of very religious rhetoric being used about Trump now. He’s literally becoming the Messiah and a true religious hero fighting whatever evil is out there. God is saving him from bullets and what not. There’s going to be some interesting sermons in evangelical churches around the country these next few weeks. Yikes.
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Canadian here.
Your chance to save democracy comes at the ballot box, not by shooting candidates.
Have “more shots” in the voting booth with Ranked Choice voting. First Past The Post voting artificially limits our magazine size to two shots. We deserve the right to have a standard or even high capacity magazine.
More chances to stop the Republicans. More chances Republicans would pick a more moderate candidate. More representation. More freedom.
if bolsonaro is any indication, this is just turning him into a martyr.
really terrible job by whoever tried it.
All the martyrdom, none of the benefits of him actually dying.
Biden testing his Presidential Immunity.
Just a little off the top
Gotta start somewhere.
Just a warning shot
Official Act™
Ex-prez, please.
Looks like one of the bullets actually got him in the ear, as he grabs is ear right away. I thought it was from him getting tackled down by the secret service.
So the shooter was almost a good shot. So close.
According to TMZ a secret service agent said the bullet hit his teleprompter and glass shrapnel hit his ear.
https://www.tmz.com/2024/07/13/donald-trump-appear-shot-pennsylvania-rally-president-election/
Was the teleprompter behind him?
No clue. I would assume it was in front, I’m merely attempting to spread actual information, unfortunately it is from a less than reputable source, but looking at their timeline, they seem to be covering all possible snippets of information from the scene, without speculating on the motives of the shooter.
If it was in front, then it would not have hit his right ear as he was looking to the left.
Ricochets happen with shrapnel.
Around his head?
