Two state solution. I don’t know enough about the area to tell exactly where the border should go, but I would think Palestine would consist of at least West Bank and Gaza. If the Palestinian territories end up being separated, some mechanism than ensures free transit between them must be arranged.
Some stipulations must be in place:
- Border protected by a neutral 3rd party, or a conglomerate thereof.
- Work permits available for those who want to work outside their own state. (After all, Palestine is dirt poor, and many Palestinians already work in Israel)
- The ones who are opposed to a two state solution, or have actively worked against it, are barred from political leadership on both sides. That means no Hamas, and no Benny. No handling fuckwits who have actively made the situation worse over the years.
I’m going to assume that this has to be at least somewhat realistic as opposed to something like 67 borders and a peaceful democratic state where we’re all happy with free movement and work for everyone with Israel.
I would probably start with taking a deal, probably wait until the next Israeli government, try to get as much land as possible and maybe even see about purchasing some from the other countries like Egypt that’s unpopulated or barely populated. In exchange I would probably have to agree let the IDF in to fight the various terrorists groups that currently exist which would be to my benefit because they would be trying to kill me too. In fact, I would leverage the desire for a stable Palestine to get as much Israeli involvement as possible. I would negotiate reperations for the suffering that my people went through and request all the international money to be transferred to the new government. This will be used to improve living conditions for everyone first and foremost. There would also have to be a high amount of transparency to keep trust.
Then I would have to figure out how to sort out the various clans which wouldn’t want to give up power. I would probably try creating some sort of Parliament with representatives from all the major clans and even try to get all the minor clans in. I wouldn’t turn power over to them off the bat, but I would let then be involved in decision making processes to start with and hard commitments to turn over power later. They probably won’t trust me, but I still have all the power and they get to watch me keep my word for a few years to hopefully build trust.
I then tackle the housing crisis and start several social programs to reduce poverty with my big pile of reperation money. Around this time I declare full right of return for Palestinian diaspora. Construction would also generate a bunch of jobs. I would completely reform the education system to be child oriented and also remove all the anti-semitic garbage. History especially would focus on the positives of having a state and being able to succeed on our own land as the Palestinian people. Child abuse and especially honor killings would be cracked down upon along with a full commitment to universal human rights. It would be a slow process to change the culture, but it’s doable.
A lot of Palestinians already have jobs in Israel and I would work directly with Israel to make sure they they don’t loose those and even create a government office to coordinate job opportunities across the boarder both ways. De-radicalization on both sides will be greatly helped by just experiencing each other as reasonable people. There are also plenty of left wing Israeli NGOs that would be happy to help. I would also piggyback off of Israel’s vibrant tech and medical sectors to utilize my already highly educated population to build out our own too.
As time goes on and I deliver on promises, I can start turning over power to Parliament and declare elections for the members. The clans wouldn’t want to be voted out, so I would sell it to them as increasing their legitimacy now that they’re getting power and then support their campaigns to get them officially elected. Now that I’ve generated some reasonable stability for several years and the Israeli government starts to relax a bit, I start building out my own security forces and even doing joint exercises to build trust.
After probably about 20 years, I’ll have been able to build Palestinian nationalism to the point that they’re proud of their country and participate and demand a Democratic government which I’m delivering on. There will always be radicals, but they should be minimal and joint Intel sharing with Israel should help keep the bulk of them from committing any atrocities.
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I don’t think that this is particularly likely to happen, but it may be doable with good Palestinian leadership. Some of the most likely outcomes at this point is probably annexation and naturalization of the West Bank and its Palestinians and either the same with Gaza or a small standalone state. Another idea that may work well would be the eight state solution where the majors clans would be given territory directly and would be able to form the Palestinian Emirates like the UAE. Overall I very much agree with Standing Together’s stance of “We’re both not going anywhere, so we have to learn to coexist.” and am hopeful that it will some day happen one way or another.
Dude or dudette this was the best answer. Thanks you for the education and typing it all out…no sarcasm
I’m happy to hear that I was helpful. I’m not any sort of expert, but a lot of this is basic state building. Add to that that the Palestinians actually have pretty high rates of education, already have access to a stable currency, and a regional power that they’re already integrated with, they really have a leg up on most other countries starting out. The main sticking points are leadership, radicalization, and external forces like the IRGC backing terrorist groups.
As time goes on I really see this winding down one way or another in a couple decades. In 1948 basically the entire Arab world supported the Palestinians both directly and indirectly against Israel. Now Egypt and Jordan both have peace treaties and increasing economic ties with Israel. Saudi Arabia is coming onboard and the UAE and Bahrain already signed the Abraham accords. Palestinian maximalist goals look more and more unreasonable. Hamas hoped that their attack would trigger a whole regional war against Israel. It didn’t, just IRGC proxies joined in. It didn’t even put a stop to Saudi normalization, just delayed it a bit.
For the Israel side of it, there is more international pressure than ever to resolve this. The only hard dealbreaker IMO is keeping Hamas around in power. I just don’t see any other way that has historically worked to remove a fascist regime than force. See the Whispered in Gaza series for what life is like under Hamas. Now we just need a good Palestinian leader to actually push building a positive future or Israel may just say screwed it, I’ll do it myself, which would probably include annexation and citizenship.
Can you tell why an idealized ine-state wasn’t your choice? Perhaps with an ethnically protecting constitution, and government composition requirements?
You mean a unified state? I interpreted the question as explicitly a Palestinian one, so assuming a 2 state solution. A unified state with constitutional protections may work too, although it would take a lot of trust that I don’t think really exists right now. It may still happen though via simple amexation and naturalization by Israel. It’s what happened with the Palestinians remaining in Israel after the 48 war hence about a 20% Palestinian Israeli population today.
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Good question. Ideally or from today’s circumstances?
What’s the context here?
lets just for sake of argument say ideally and todays circumstances
I think of those as very different circumstances.
Ideally today, netanyahu, the Israeli army, and Hamas agree to a non-aggression pact that enforce an equitable land-share.
The thing is, none of those parties want a non-aggression pact at all.
Both of them want to continue bombing the other until the other one gives up(which will not work).
So ideally, the leaders of both of these countries would have to be fundamentally different people with different goals.
I guess ideally, peace-forward coalitions sieze power of both countries and agree to a peace treaty.
Netanyahu is firmly committed to at least a cultural genocide with as many civilian casualties as necessary if not total genocide, and Hamas is firmly committed to reclaiming all of their land that has been stolen over 70 years.
The Deus ex here is if Bernie Sanders was elected and committed significant resources and time to helping Palestine create a national political infrastructure, which it doesn’t have right now.
Palestine needs a sponsor like Israel has America or there’s zero equal footing for a two-state solution.
That might be the ideal solution, that the United States changes its policy of 3/4 of a century and decides to treat Palestine civilly.
That could conceivably happen if we elected a Sanders or AOC.
The US probably could force a two-state solution if it really wanted to, which it does not want to because that would compromise its interests in the middle east, which Israel and its military is very happy to be paid to advance.
A couple points: Hamas doesn’t just want back the land that was stolen during the Nakba. They consider all the land including state land and even privately purchased land by Jews from before the war to be Arab land. They reject wholesale any Jewish self determination in the land as illegitimate. This is why Israel is refusing to sign a deal that leaves them in power, because that just kicks the can down the road for a bit.
Hamas even put a plan together of what to do if they win and it boiled down to: murdering all the Zionists, enslaving key talent to prevent total economic collapse, and then throw the rest out. Since they are a totalitarian fascist regime, I don’t see how they can ever be negotiated with in good faith. I’m not aware of a single fascist regime that peacefully democratized or even stopped committing violence.
I don’t agree that Netanyahu is genocidal. His general strategy seems to be crushing opposition through tactical maneuvering both internal and external. I also don’t expect him to be very politically relevant once his fragile coalition falls apart or regularly scheduled elections happen in 2026. According to John Spencer and other urban warfare experts the civilian casualties are impressively low considering the environment and Hamas’s tactics. That’s not to be dismissive as all civilian casualties are tragic and should be avoided as much as possible. Also about 20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinian.
I would love to see a reasonable 2 state solution that everyone hates, but can live with. I don’t think that this Israeli government coalition would be willing to accept one, but I have pretty good hopes for future ones. My main concern is on the Palestinian side, there doesn’t seem to be anyone that would both be able to afford to make a deal and be able to enforce it. The closest chance there was historically would probably have been the Camp David Summit. Currently Abbas and the PA are seen as too weak and corrupt IMO for the general Palestinian population to support it even if they did accept.
I don’t see how any US president would be able to unilaterally force a 2 state solution. The US does provide a lot of support, but I don’t see how leveraging that would be enough to override Israeli security concerns. The unilateral withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 is what enabled Hamas to take over and declare war on Israel leading eventually to the current situation. Allowing that kind of buildup in the West Bank would be far more dangerous as is is much closer to major population centers and has a much larger boarder. Israel didn’t have major US support until the Yom Kippur war.
On top of that, there is the whole IRGC issue. They don’t want any solution. They’re happy to arm proxy groups that are willing to support their agenda. That makes any peaceful Palestinian government that’s trying to suppress internal terrorist groups have even more to deal with and it would probably end up in a Syrian or Yemen civil war situation which would be way worse for everyone, especially the Palestinians.
Bear in mind the disclaimer that OP specifically requested an ideal situation in today’s circumstances, not what will work.
“Hamas doesn’t just want back the land that was stolen during the Nakba”
Nobody said they did.
“They consider all the land…”
Yes, Hamas wants all their land back.
Written above.
“I don’t agree that Netanyahu is genocidal.”
He is committing at least a cultural genocide executing majority civilians; Netanyahu is genocidal.
“his general strategy seems to be crushing opposition through tactical maneuvering”
Executing civilians and bombing schools and hospitals is not the subtle tactic you allege.
“According to John Spencer and other urban warfare experts the civilian casualties are impressively low considering”
Absurd.
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Israel has been executing civilians and bombing civilian structures like schools and hospitals for decades.
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There is an estimate of minimum 70% casualties from the current conflict.
Color me not impressed.
“I would love to see a reasonable 2 state solution that everyone hates, but can live with”
OP would not, not the point here.
Everythting after this is “I don’t see how any US president would be able…”, “I don’t see how leveraging that…”, “They don’t want…”
Which, yes, and is not an answer to the thread: suggesting an ideal solution, not addressing the specific problems that could go wrong with an unformed practical solution.
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No need if they dont exist
