That emblem brings this from a solid B+ flag to F-
Its not a bad design, but those belong on flags.
I personally like emblems, icons and heraldry on flags. Without them, flags are often enough just bars of colors.
Without it many personal wouldn’t have recognized that it’s not the original flag.
Intresting. I’ll be honest, I have zero knowlage about the new flag or the nation (which I should fix…)
I just judged the flag as a flag.
In that case I as your student wouldn’t accept F- as a grade, because you didn’t see the original flag with three pigeons and a blue line in the middle. But ok.
I agree. It could work if the emblem was simplified, but it’s a bit too complex right now. Not F- level though, I’d say C; the colours are unique with meaning, and the icon in the middle is striking and recognizable.
I agree. There are way too many clashing colors. It would be better if they reduced the number of colors. I could even go with reduced colors and the crest.
The amount of pro RuSSia people here that want to get a free pass in the meat grinder, can someone call Russia to get these highly motivated soldiers to the front line?
It’s just so baffling, they’re all from lemmy.ml defending Putin’s invasion. Modern Russia isn’t even ML, the USSR is gone. It’s only “America bad” that’s driving their alignment with Russia at this point, isn’t it? Or they’re a troll factory. Or under the influence of Russian propaganda. Probably people from all of those.
Tell me you haven’t heard of revolutionary defeatism without telling me you haven’t heard of revolutionary defeatism
What no theory does to a mf
True, if thia were WW2 they would be non ironically saying for the allies to surrender to the Nazi, Soviets and fascists, to “prevent deaths”
The soviets were part of the allies, and killed 8/10 Nazis. Seeing your historical illiteracy explains your lack of understanding on current geopolitical events
of course after nzia invaded them, but before that they had agreements to share Europe with the Nazis, who don’t know history is you, not me
Literally everyone made agreements like that. The Soviets were the last to do it after spending years trying to form an anti-fascist pact with the liberal powers.
You didn’t know the soviets were part of the allies, so it’s futile to go in any discussion with you. Your repeating fascist propaganda and insinuating that Stalin and Hitler were allies. You can’t even contextualize the Munich agreement. Just stfu and lurk more
of course i know that in the end they fought the nazis, this don’t exclude the fact they had an pact with the nazis to partition europe, also why would be a fascist propaganda if they were the ones making agreements with the fascists?
Stalin and Hitler were allies
maybe yes, maybe not, the love for genocide was mutual tho
why would be a fascist propaganda if they were the ones making agreements with the fascists?
Because fascists like yourself like to share this without the proper context to paint the Soviets in a bad light, when in fact it was them almost alone stoping the Holocaust.
maybe yes, maybe not, the love for genocide was mutual tho
I like how the article you shared says
Scholars continue to debate whether the human-made Soviet famine was a central act in a campaign of genocide,[159] or a tragic byproduct of rapid Soviet industrialization and the collectivization of agriculture.[76][51][17][52] Whether the Holodomor is a genocide is a significant and contentious issue in modern politics.
History repeating as a farce.
Liberating them from nazi occupation
If not “in the world,” then where?
You don’t know about it?
Shh, they don’t know about Nill Island.
The one on the left is an Israeli shithead. She was born in the USA. Fuck zionists.
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I mean, she did post a video where’s laughing at a comedian doing a routine that was making jokes about the conflict… and she was also part of the crowd that warned against the rise of antisemitism due to the conflict…
But also it’s just random racism to point that out apparently.
My beef is with people who stole land from Palestinians and advocate genocide, not Jewish people. By moving to Israel from the USA she took a side.
In a meme with famed Zionist Myriam Bialik.
A meme really not about that mentioned topic.
(= I couldn’t care less.)
Why would they put an emblem with nazi affiliations, that is Ukraine specific, on their flag?
Symbols have more than one meaning… The word “fascism” comes from one of these symbols: the Fasces. However the fasces are still used by France:
Or by the US:
Are these countries fascists just because they use the Fasces? Of course not. They have other meanings. It’s the same with this Ukrainian symbol.
are u implying that the amerikkkan empire, the country created to steal land and genocide and preserve slavery the country that bankrolls fascists everywhere, the country that does everything it can to oppress working people not only within its borders but outside them, an oligarchy where the head of state is selected by rich oligarchs and has near limitless political power, ISNT fascists. Amerikkka IS fascism it is the very template that the original fascists and the nazis based their designs on.
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its amerikkka to differentiate from america the continent as for the triple ks it just goes well given amerikkkas love of racism and genocide and white supremacy its kinda what they country is all about
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The difference is that at the time the fasces were adopted they didn’t mean fascism. But also, coincidentally, the US and France are fascist.
And the tryzub didn’t mean fascism when it was firstly adopted by the (menchevik communist) Ukrainian People’s Republic in 1917…
Okay but it did mean fascism after ww2. You know, after nazi collaborators participated in the holocaust in Ukraine, killing Ukrainian Jewish folks and others.
I dont think the original Ukrainian republic in 1917 was fascist though, we agree there.
Vichy France of Pétain participated in the Holocaust too. France still use the fasces, the same anthem and the same flag.
Well, hot take /s, France bad
That’s not the point. The point is: Ukraine is a normal country, nor a fascist hellhole nor a perfect Paradise. Their national symbol is also used by its far right, today and during the WWII; just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe. And just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe, they continued to use their national symbols after the WWII.
Vichy France bad
No, it’s the national symbol of Ukraine.
Fascists love to try to co-opt national symbolism, and sometimes they succeed, but ceding ownership of a 1000 year old symbol (it was used as a seal in Kievan Rus) because some assholes adopted it in 1993 is just letting the fascists win.
What are you talking about? It’s the coat of arms. It’s a symbol since 1918, when fascism didn’t even exist yet. Some nationalistic fascist organization using national symbols isn’t news, and it doesn’t mean fascists exclusively own it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine
Edit: oh sorry everyone, didn’t see it was a lemmy.ml user. Block and move on 🤷♂️
i guess when u see a flag flying a swastika u are like “probably not nazis after all there are many other people who used to use that symbol in the past”, and u know why that is? its because u are lib and as we all know scratch a lib…
Welp, pack it up boys, all of our buddhist neighbours are Nazis
No u
You would be surprised in Asia.
we are in the english speaking internet talking about europe, what the fuck is ur point. u KNOW what was meant u KNOW than in the west a swastika means nazis what are u even trying to do.
Reminder that your are a lunatic. Use of tryzub as a national/statehood symbol dates back to about a thousand years ago, roughly to the Viking age.
Moreover, even the link that you quote doesn’t say what you say it says.
