• ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    Sometimes I back up my argument with entire books lmao. Its not usually for the person I am arguing with. Its for the people who see the argument and are curious

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      You should be able to explicate your own argument, though. “Read this book” isn’t convincing on its own.

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          Yeah, this happens way too often “it’s all in here (link), but I will not elaborate”

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        Yeah, you need to take specific portions of the book to support your argument. I won’t just say “read Fanon” but will give a a specific example from the book in addition to the more general example of the entire work, plus encourage them to read more.

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    This is my reaction anytime I Google virtually anything. Stop fucking recommending videos, Google. We’re not fucking interested.

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      I’m with you. This shift over the last decade or so to everything being in video essay format is infuriating. Especially when I’m trying to look up instructions for something that could just be a five item bulleted list or a single image but instead is stretched out into a ten minute video.

      There have actually been a few times I’ve given up on finding some piece of information or instructions I wanted because I could only find video sources.

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        There are also the SEO sites, you search for how to write a file in python and you get 20 pages about file writing and why that is used, the history of python and more until you, maybe, get the simple one liner you forgot about.

        And I use an ad blocker.

        I know it’s so google thinks I’m enjoying myself on that site because I stay there “longer”, and thus thinks it’s a good site, but would it be so hard to have a search engine just straight out exclude large sites? I mean it does clearly not work well.

        Fuck, exclude all “dynamic” ones too. Back to pure html! 😺

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          I use a firefox extension called uBlacklist. It blocks any site you hate from appearing in google search results. No more facebook, instagram, youtube, tiktok etc.

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      You are not fucking interested. We, as Google’s customer base, want everything in video format because we are allergic to reading. If it pisses off 1% of users (which is ten of millions of people), so be it, still profit.

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    Oh hell yes! I also feel that people who can’t summarise their argument likely don’t understand it

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      Amen. That’s often what I say to them: if you can’t describe the argument you didn’t understand it.

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    A reference should contain a timestamp or a page number. That’s always been the standard for citations. You don’t just reference a book.

    Also, whatever claim from the original material supports your argument should be quoted or paraphrased by you in your argument.

    Citations aren’t the same as bibliography. A citation is just in case a person doesn’t trust your claim that “A said X”; they can follow your citation to check if that’s true.

    Bibliography is further reading, if a person wants to know more about what you’re saying.

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    Been there. Skimmed four fucking Youtube links. Reported back to explain in detail why the other guy was wrong about all of them. Didn’t work.

    This is why enforced civility is a failure of moderation. People need the ability to say, “fuck off.” Not just “I strongly disagree and question your motives and blah blah blah.” We must be able to communicate: this is stupid, you’re being an asshole, polite consideration would be lending undue legitimacy.

    Otherwise any stupid asshole can blather on about whatever and demand to be treated like they have a point. Mods who don’t remove those people pre-emptively don’t understand their role. Mods who actively protect those people are bastards.