Kiev will conscript 160,000 more troops over the next three months, according to statements from lawmakers and media outlets. More than a million soldiers have already been drafted, yet high losses have left the Ukrainian Armed Forces plagued by manpower shortages.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces had around 250,000 active-duty personnel at the beginning of 2022, a number that rapidly swelled once Vladimir Zelensky called up reservists and forbade draft-age men from leaving the country.
This spring, faced with mounting losses, Kiev lowered the draft age from 27 to 25 and significantly tightened mobilization rules, requiring potential recruits to report to conscription offices for “data validation.” These checks often result in people being immediately taken into the army and sent to the front line.
What a dire situation.
I wonder how we got here.
Wars suck so much.
To be honest, I don’t want to be forced to kill other human beings because of some shitty politicians who decided so.
It makes me sick to the bone.
This is really well represented in, All quiet on the western front.
They don’t have a choice. It is this or being Russian slaves.
Even Ukrainians are now starting to understand what western backed regime is doing to them
It’s so disturbing to see libs cheer on the meat grinder
Statists are monsters, it does not matter which is the colour of their ideas.
To all statists, the penalty for the crime of conscription is that I will exterminate all of your officers and officials. I will expunge the myth of your nation like the disease that it is.
Death to the egregores !
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Forced? Their fighting for their survival for fuck’s sake.
Are you contesting that it’s “Forced”? It matches the textbook definition of the word
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It is when that border comes to your home though surely.
Are we all forgetting what an invasion is or something?
no, and please don’t start defending next to my house, thanks
I hope it never comes
yeah, me too
Yeah the conscription can be pretty violent
They are forced. They fight against the Ukrainian Army for their survival, because being drafted means they will probably die at this point. If they could keep avoiding the army, they would probably survive until this madness ends.
You can have your side on this and think Ukraine is fighting for survival, but that’s a point of view, an idea. Some facts are:
- Ukraine is currently loosing this war. It’s even territorial.
- Ukraine is loosing support from their allies. And if Trump wins, which is somehow plausible, they’d be practically alone.
- Recently drafted citizens are just that, they are not soldiers. With their morale, they probably aren’t even fighters.
- A good chunk of the remaining Ukrainian people don’t want to fight no more.
- Drafting more inexperienced citizens will at best slow down the course of the current events.
Sure, but have you considered rytheon stock price?
lol forced.
The wording of these things. While technically correct, it’s a draft. Because you know, the thousand day invasion threatening their existence.
That’s literally what forced means. Are you an Israeli or something?
It’s the negative connotation of the wording that I was implying, not the meaning.
Are you American or something?
He is implying Ukrainians are not drafted Israel style. There is no 30 day prison vacation for refusing to obey. These people are thrown in the back of a van and transported to the battlefield to slightly extend what is already a lost war.
The west is not serious about supporting Ukraine to victory. That much should be obvious by now. Even the mainstream newspapers are saying Ukraine is not fighting to win now.
I’m not Israeli though. What is Israeli style. Israel is not being invaded.
Without sending troops, there isn’t much else the west can do beyond allowing deep strikes with their missiles which I agree should never have been an issue.
Again though, conscription via a draft while forced yes, is not the inference of the wording of the article. It’s trying to paint Ukraine in a bad light for having to do it vs Russia who have done worse for their manpower goals.
The argument is not “Russia good”. Russia bad too.
The point is: any Ukrainian who is not ideologically driven to fight against Russia should not be forced to do so. Their deaths will not achieve anything meaningful.
This is a war of attrition. Ukraine has not received the military support required to win.
Hmm Ukraine can’t receive men so they have to use their own men. I don’t understand the argument
Ukraine can receive men. There are multiple volunteers from other countries fighting for Ukraine.
You too are allowed to go and fight for Ukraine. Are you willing to risk your own life, or admit that Ukrainian men are treated as disposable toys instead of humans?
Argument: War is almost lost. People are finite.
go sign up for the foreign legion turd
Conscription is usually an ongoing event. A draft is a specific, often temporary, implementation of conscription.
