It’s not even bait, y’all just predictable with the same exact phrase every time. I mean… you’re not even the first person today. If I can beat everyone to the punch before ya finish thinking it, then is it still fun to say?
Idk. Feels like a Chuck Norris joke at this point.
Well I thought it, I wasn’t planning on saying anything until I saw your username and figured you were playful about it.
But do you really think it’s non-vegans who know what black salt (or whatever other reference you make in your comments that typically “outs” you) is without looking it up? It’s probably mostly people who are also vegan and feel kinship that they’d like to point out. That’s why I wrote my comment at least 🤷
Well sure, I could tell and appreciate your friendly tone. But you also went out of your way to specify it, because frankly no vegan appreciates that response. It’s a thought terminating cliche that is functionally used to dismiss.
I am doing my best be playful about it’s overuse, but in truth it’s born out of frustration. Started using this handle about 3-4 years ago when I was tired of getting heavily down voted while “found the vegan” response was unanimously upvoted. The implication being “Yeah but do you care what a vegan thinks?”.
Fundamentally, you’re right tho. Black salt isn’t common and its more of a if ya know, ya know situation. I just disagree that saying something other vegans would recognize is inherently unfair bait for non-vegans. I’m not preaching or pushing veganism, just existing as one.
No, I was joking about the bait, kind of a “you’re making it too easy,” but I don’t mind when people say “found the vegan” to me. What follows is longer than intended because I hyper focused on it.
Tl;dr: I take that type of statement differently depending on the context, but I wasn’t trying to dismiss you.
I would also personally not mind if someone said “found the x” for anything that applies to me, unless it was inherently a negative thing or something I’m ashamed of, and I just assumed others were the same. Like, I’m an immigrant in Germany and I’d be pretty upset if someone responded to me speaking German and said “found the American,” but that’s because I put in a lot of work to lose my accent. If they said it after I showed up to an appointment fewer than ten minutes early, I’d understand that they were intending to insult me and I’d feel put off, even though I think five minutes early is perfectly fine.
For qualities I’m not ashamed of, I think of it either as neutral or as an affirmation that what I’m saying or doing is in line with who I am. If I were talking about how mind blowing it is to live in a 500 year old house and someone said “found the American,” I’d probably laugh and agree, and if they said that after I said something about wearing mismatched socks and not caring what people think, I’d feel positive that that’s a known stereotype about Americans.
I’m autistic though, so I might be the outlier. I also completely miss passive aggression most of the time, so maybe people actually do intend to insult me when they say that, but I think it’s silly to view those negatively, so I take it about the same as I do when my dad says a political position I support is communism- still a win in my book. I’m pretty happy with my interpretation, even if it’s wrong, lol.
Well I appreciate and have nothing but love for ya. For what it’s worth, I don’t feel ashamed of being vegan, quite the opposite since I literally have a V tattoo. With hindsight I can see that I overread and overthrought this exchange. But in my experience, it’s rare to have veganism brought up outside vegan communities as a positive thing so I tend to go defensive.
I’m an immigrant in Germany and I’d be pretty upset if someone responded to me speaking German and said “found the Americanz"
I understand completely, and I’m sorry that’s a reality for you to worry about. I actually have a whole vector that’s very different but also very simmiliar to this. As a trans woman, “found the X” is occasionally applied a by shitty folk if/when I talk about gender online, and several time in real life public areas. At a certain point, I know logically it’s immposible to win everyone over and I need to find serenity despite it all, but it often feels like no matter how much grace you can extend to someone who wishes to harass before it just becomes easier to assume everyone is harassing so.
But this is all on me. Thank you for this exchange, I’m sorry if it caused you stress and it’s my fault for initially assuming the worst of you. Context is almost always the biggest factor and i should’ve paid more attention to the kind hearted context you’ve displayed here.
Although, since I have you… xan I ask you a totally random tangent? Is Germany as vegan friendly as I hear? I know multiple vegan folk that rave about the regions restaurants and just sorta curious if you’d agree. ☺️
Absolutely all good on my end. Yeah, I very much react differently to the idea of saying “found the trans woman,” but I think that’s just because it seems like it could reasonably be taken as a threat or, even if not intended as one, still endanger the recipient. But yeah, that’s a great example of something where shame/judgment is uninvolved and it’s still not a good thing to say at all.
Germany is incredibly vegan friendly, to the degree that I haven’t been to a grocery store without at least tofu, various milk options, vegan yogurt and cream cheese, along with a bunch of traditionally vegan spreads (I currently have “spicy chickpea, tomato and bell pepper” and “pea and edamame”), no matter how rural the town is. There’s also the fact that good bread is a staple food here, so whole grains are really accessible. I don’t think the vegan friendliness applies to Bavaria, and I know it didn’t in Baden-Württemberg about 15 years ago (I had trouble then as a vegetarian in a student city, but I was also a lot less resourceful then). It definitely does not apply to Switzerland or rural Austria.
The hummus you find in vegan restaurants tends to be made with vinegar instead of lemon juice (but that’s not the case if you go to a Mediterranean or Middle Eastern restaurant or make it yourself) and slow cookers for dry beans cost a lot more money than they do in the US. Those are literally my only vegan-related complaints though.
Edit: also you can buy six Maultaschen (~600 kcal worth) for around 2€ basically everywhere. They can be eaten raw, sautéed, or in broth and they’re delicious and honestly pretty good for you.
It’s a person who aims to do the least harm to and exploitation of animals practicable. Vegans don’t all agree with each other, but generally they don’t eat any animal products (food waste and somehow honey are common disagreements among vegans), nor would they buy new leather products (some might buy secondhand, but others won’t even hold on to a pair of shoes they bought and wore for years before going vegan).
It’s insane to me, how many people think that “bugs” aren’t animals. Sponges or barnacles, I can understand, but everyone knows that mosquitoes feed off of blood and spiders lay eggs, so how is it even a question?
Lots of people get their wires crossed with animal versus mammal, even if they’re otherwise smart and educated. I’ve lost an unreasonable number of arguments against people who thought birds weren’t animals and couldn’t be convinced otherwise.
Honey because local beekeepers are, in my experience, commited conservationists obsessed with protecting honeybees. Volunteering time to rescue hives, etc. I imagine an argument can be made against industrial production, however.
Just to present the other side of hoeny veganism, I don’t consume any out of ethical consistency. Without question beekeepers do far less damage to their animals than cows, pig or chicken ranchers since those end in slaughter. But it’s still a product produced by an animal for a specific purpose in its life cycle. While slaughtering a pig for pork is murder, taking a hives honey is theft. Beekeepers replace it with a sugar water mix instead but as I understand the research that slurry misses many of the core nutrients bees put in to their honey.
If someone took food off my plate to replace with a less nutritional and tasty substitute I’d be pissed, so I see no reason to do it to bees. Besides, agavae is cheap, healthier and tastes near identical. Since a readily available susbistute exists, I don’t even miss or care about honey.
I would never say someone who eats honey isn’t vegan, but it is a matter of polite disagreement among the community.
Black salt.
It’s not fair, you’re baiting us
(I literally just thought to myself “found the vegan” before reading your username)
It’s not even bait, y’all just predictable with the same exact phrase every time. I mean… you’re not even the first person today. If I can beat everyone to the punch before ya finish thinking it, then is it still fun to say?
Idk. Feels like a Chuck Norris joke at this point.
Well I thought it, I wasn’t planning on saying anything until I saw your username and figured you were playful about it.
But do you really think it’s non-vegans who know what black salt (or whatever other reference you make in your comments that typically “outs” you) is without looking it up? It’s probably mostly people who are also vegan and feel kinship that they’d like to point out. That’s why I wrote my comment at least 🤷
Well sure, I could tell and appreciate your friendly tone. But you also went out of your way to specify it, because frankly no vegan appreciates that response. It’s a thought terminating cliche that is functionally used to dismiss.
I am doing my best be playful about it’s overuse, but in truth it’s born out of frustration. Started using this handle about 3-4 years ago when I was tired of getting heavily down voted while “found the vegan” response was unanimously upvoted. The implication being “Yeah but do you care what a vegan thinks?”.
Fundamentally, you’re right tho. Black salt isn’t common and its more of a if ya know, ya know situation. I just disagree that saying something other vegans would recognize is inherently unfair bait for non-vegans. I’m not preaching or pushing veganism, just existing as one.
No, I was joking about the bait, kind of a “you’re making it too easy,” but I don’t mind when people say “found the vegan” to me. What follows is longer than intended because I hyper focused on it.
Tl;dr: I take that type of statement differently depending on the context, but I wasn’t trying to dismiss you.
I would also personally not mind if someone said “found the x” for anything that applies to me, unless it was inherently a negative thing or something I’m ashamed of, and I just assumed others were the same. Like, I’m an immigrant in Germany and I’d be pretty upset if someone responded to me speaking German and said “found the American,” but that’s because I put in a lot of work to lose my accent. If they said it after I showed up to an appointment fewer than ten minutes early, I’d understand that they were intending to insult me and I’d feel put off, even though I think five minutes early is perfectly fine.
For qualities I’m not ashamed of, I think of it either as neutral or as an affirmation that what I’m saying or doing is in line with who I am. If I were talking about how mind blowing it is to live in a 500 year old house and someone said “found the American,” I’d probably laugh and agree, and if they said that after I said something about wearing mismatched socks and not caring what people think, I’d feel positive that that’s a known stereotype about Americans.
I’m autistic though, so I might be the outlier. I also completely miss passive aggression most of the time, so maybe people actually do intend to insult me when they say that, but I think it’s silly to view those negatively, so I take it about the same as I do when my dad says a political position I support is communism- still a win in my book. I’m pretty happy with my interpretation, even if it’s wrong, lol.
Well I appreciate and have nothing but love for ya. For what it’s worth, I don’t feel ashamed of being vegan, quite the opposite since I literally have a V tattoo. With hindsight I can see that I overread and overthrought this exchange. But in my experience, it’s rare to have veganism brought up outside vegan communities as a positive thing so I tend to go defensive.
I understand completely, and I’m sorry that’s a reality for you to worry about. I actually have a whole vector that’s very different but also very simmiliar to this. As a trans woman, “found the X” is occasionally applied a by shitty folk if/when I talk about gender online, and several time in real life public areas. At a certain point, I know logically it’s immposible to win everyone over and I need to find serenity despite it all, but it often feels like no matter how much grace you can extend to someone who wishes to harass before it just becomes easier to assume everyone is harassing so.
But this is all on me. Thank you for this exchange, I’m sorry if it caused you stress and it’s my fault for initially assuming the worst of you. Context is almost always the biggest factor and i should’ve paid more attention to the kind hearted context you’ve displayed here.
Although, since I have you… xan I ask you a totally random tangent? Is Germany as vegan friendly as I hear? I know multiple vegan folk that rave about the regions restaurants and just sorta curious if you’d agree. ☺️
Absolutely all good on my end. Yeah, I very much react differently to the idea of saying “found the trans woman,” but I think that’s just because it seems like it could reasonably be taken as a threat or, even if not intended as one, still endanger the recipient. But yeah, that’s a great example of something where shame/judgment is uninvolved and it’s still not a good thing to say at all.
Germany is incredibly vegan friendly, to the degree that I haven’t been to a grocery store without at least tofu, various milk options, vegan yogurt and cream cheese, along with a bunch of traditionally vegan spreads (I currently have “spicy chickpea, tomato and bell pepper” and “pea and edamame”), no matter how rural the town is. There’s also the fact that good bread is a staple food here, so whole grains are really accessible. I don’t think the vegan friendliness applies to Bavaria, and I know it didn’t in Baden-Württemberg about 15 years ago (I had trouble then as a vegetarian in a student city, but I was also a lot less resourceful then). It definitely does not apply to Switzerland or rural Austria.
The hummus you find in vegan restaurants tends to be made with vinegar instead of lemon juice (but that’s not the case if you go to a Mediterranean or Middle Eastern restaurant or make it yourself) and slow cookers for dry beans cost a lot more money than they do in the US. Those are literally my only vegan-related complaints though.
Edit: also you can buy six Maultaschen (~600 kcal worth) for around 2€ basically everywhere. They can be eaten raw, sautéed, or in broth and they’re delicious and honestly pretty good for you.
tbh you seem fun and playful, the other person seems a bit insufferable.
wth is a vegan? Did y’all just make up new slang for a meme or something? Please explain it to me
It’s a person who aims to do the least harm to and exploitation of animals practicable. Vegans don’t all agree with each other, but generally they don’t eat any animal products (food waste and somehow honey are common disagreements among vegans), nor would they buy new leather products (some might buy secondhand, but others won’t even hold on to a pair of shoes they bought and wore for years before going vegan).
It’s insane to me, how many people think that “bugs” aren’t animals. Sponges or barnacles, I can understand, but everyone knows that mosquitoes feed off of blood and spiders lay eggs, so how is it even a question?
Lots of people get their wires crossed with animal versus mammal, even if they’re otherwise smart and educated. I’ve lost an unreasonable number of arguments against people who thought birds weren’t animals and couldn’t be convinced otherwise.
Birds? Dang, that one I haven’t heard yet
Honey because local beekeepers are, in my experience, commited conservationists obsessed with protecting honeybees. Volunteering time to rescue hives, etc. I imagine an argument can be made against industrial production, however.
The correct term is bee enslavers. Honey is for the bees not for the humans to steal and murder their queen.
You definitely don’t want to kill the queen, very counterproductive.
who are you, who are so wise in the ways of chaos and divisiveness
Just to present the other side of hoeny veganism, I don’t consume any out of ethical consistency. Without question beekeepers do far less damage to their animals than cows, pig or chicken ranchers since those end in slaughter. But it’s still a product produced by an animal for a specific purpose in its life cycle. While slaughtering a pig for pork is murder, taking a hives honey is theft. Beekeepers replace it with a sugar water mix instead but as I understand the research that slurry misses many of the core nutrients bees put in to their honey.
If someone took food off my plate to replace with a less nutritional and tasty substitute I’d be pissed, so I see no reason to do it to bees. Besides, agavae is cheap, healthier and tastes near identical. Since a readily available susbistute exists, I don’t even miss or care about honey.
I would never say someone who eats honey isn’t vegan, but it is a matter of polite disagreement among the community.