• magicalbeast69@programming.dev
      164·
      2 years ago

      This. I think european and asian should be swapped in this meme. I think its rarer to see asian speak 3 languages than seeing european speak 3 languages

      • camillaSinensis@reddthat.comEnglish
        15·
        2 years ago

        Surely that depends on where in Asia you’re looking at as well? On average, the number of languages people speak is quite different between, say, India and Japan. Or Switzerland vs Romania in Europe.

      • CheshireSnake@lemdit.comEnglish
        6·
        2 years ago

        As an asian, this has been my experience as well. Of course there are exceptions, but most asians I know (not just in my country) usually just speak 2 languages.

        • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          2 years ago

          But which part of Asia are you from? Here in India, schools are required (at least on paper) to teach three languages, so most people are at least trilingual.

            • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
              4·
              2 years ago

              Sanskrit is still spoken in some parts of Karnataka state. Also, only some schools run by the federal government teach Sanskrit. Usually it is (1) the official language of the state, (2) English and (3) Hindi. (If Hindi is the official language of the state, then any other Indian language, or a foreigh language, would be offered. For historical reasons most schools in Tamil Nadu state do not offer Hindi, but will have another third language such as French.)

    • OADINC@feddit.nl
      1·
      2 years ago

      Dutch, English (Traditional not simplified), and french, and I can understand german but not speak it myself.

  • HurlingDurling@lemm.eeEnglish
    282·
    2 years ago

    Excuse me, but as an American I take offense to this meme. I speak 4 languages, English, Southern, Bostonian, and Spanish /s

  • andresil@lemm.ee
    4218·
    2 years ago

    Americans have trouble with any accent that isn’t the blandest, nails on chalkboard accent.

    Once had one ask me if I was speaking English when I spoke to him (for context I am Irish, the north bit)

    • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world
      391·
      2 years ago

      Well fucksake mate, when someone asks yous where you’re from, yous go “NornIrn”

      Naecunt can unnerstaund thon

      • andresil@lemm.ee
        125·
        2 years ago

        Right so don’t really know if this is bait… but that’s one kind of accent (and the tickest pronunciation at that) in ulster, specifically greater Belfast/co. Antrim and very few people speak that thick. For the most part they should be quite understandable from the perspective of anyone who consumes any English language media outside of only American or only London (RP) English. The number of times I have had people have trouble with my accent in Europe and then I ask them what they watched when learning English and the answer is American TV is astounding.

        This is me getting on my wee podium now but I have a huge problem with the Americans and Brits for this, they marginalise the fuck out if our dialect, make fun of it for being unitelligible (after making no effort to understand it), and often deny it any legitimacy.

        In reality Irish English is spoken by 5-7million people, as large as some dialects of European languages (eg. Austrian/swiss German, Belgian/Swiss French, etc) and if you learn French or German you still get some exposure to those dialects and if you out your mind to it understand it.

        • DudePluto@lemmy.worldEnglish
          14·
          2 years ago

          I have a huge problem with the Americans and Brits for this, they marginalise the fuck out if our dialect, make fun of it for being unitelligible

          I mean I know you’re talking about the wider world and not just this thread, but you started the conversation by being disingenuous about Americans and their dialects. It’s kind of hard for people to take “I have a legitimate dialect” seriously when you just got done trashing half a continent’s worth of dialects

          Maybe if we all broach the topic with a little more understanding, you and everyone will feel better about it. For example Appalachian English and Northern Ireland English are both dialects with their own rules of pronunciation and grammar. They’re both legitimate. But it’s not surprising they’d have trouble understanding each other because they have so little interaction. But with patience and mutual respect it can happen

        • bufordt@sh.itjust.works
          12·
          2 years ago

          Most German speakers make fun of how unintelligible the Austrian German dialect is. It’s so bad sometimes that translators are required.

        • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
          6·
          2 years ago

          You just also seem to have a problem of marginalizing US English and UK English. They vary drastically. Just like how you just stated accents in your own country can vary.

      • Gestrid@lemmy.caEnglish
        4·
        2 years ago

        asks yous

        Before I read the rest of your comment, I thought you were going for a New York accent.

    • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
      201·
      2 years ago

      Bland and nails on chalkboard? That’s like the opposite of bland. Not great, but definitely not bland. Bland is blunt and flat. Nails on chalkboard is shrill, sharp, and grating. I just don’t understand how you can believe both at the same time.

      • andresil@lemm.ee
        33·
        2 years ago

        Here, I mean more the reaction to it, I sometimes cringe at the pronunciation or intonation in the way one would to nails on a chalkboard (the idiom can have more than one meaning or reaction attached to it)

        • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
          61·
          2 years ago

          That doesn’t change the argument. Bland and cringe are also not like each other. I’m all for you criticizing something because it’s different than you, but at least use your language consistently and properly. How would anyone interpret a secondary analogy without knowing how you personally react? It already has a clear meaning on its surface. Occam’s razor would indicate that’s enough. Why would anyone invent a second possible scenario that’s only knowable if you have access to information that isn’t well known, and in this case, near certainty of being unknown? Just say hearing the accent from some other country makes you cringe. Communication doesn’t have to be difficult unless you make it so.

    • RomanceDailies@beehaw.org
      4·
      2 years ago

      I am dating a man from England and it’s amazing how many people don’t understand his accent. It might just be me getting to know him, but I don’t find his accent (or even tough accents like Irish or Scottish) hard to understand anymore.

    • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
      32·
      2 years ago

      You’ll probably hear more and more varied accents in an average US city than in all of Ireland.

    • ctobrien84@lemmy.world
      21·
      2 years ago

      My god son, just how many marbles were you trying to eat while talking to those nice Americans? You do know that the untied states has around 30 dialects, and every accent from around the world, right? I’m sure you knew better than that when you generalized 300 million people into one anecdote.

  • ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world
    273·
    2 years ago

    Well, as an Indian with a love for anime, I speak 3 languages and am learning a 4th (Japanese).

    मुळात माझी मातृभाषा मराठी आहे. आणि मी बरीच वर्ष महाराष्ट्रातच राहिलीय…

    लेकिन school और दोस्तों के वजह से हिंदी भी बोल लेता है. और तो और, इन दोनो की लिपी एक जैसी ही होने के कारण पढणे मे भी दिक्कत नही आति.

    わたしはあにめがすきですから、にほんごをべんきょうおします。今は、にほんごのうりょうくしけんのN5できました。今年の１２月にN4できますよ。

    And I plan on learning more soon 🙃.

    • BrutalPoseidon@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 years ago

      This feels like I’m playing No Man’s Sky. Just a bunch of symbols I don’t recognize and then the word “school” in the middle without context hahaha.

      In all seriousness, good for you. That’s very impressive. I’m only bilingual with a basic understanding of a third language.

    • ForbiddenRoot@lemmy.mlEnglish
      51·
      2 years ago

      Hello fellow Indian. This is very similar to my linguistic capabilities if you substitute Japanese for the bit of French I learnt in school / college 30 years ago. Ok, I can’t really follow someone when they speak French, but I can read it well enough even now.

      • ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 years ago

        AYEEEEE wassup bruh.

        Does a namaste, then raises hand for high five

        Nice. I know every language is pretty difficult mostly, but as someone who’s had a hard time learning Hindi after realising it uses the same script and yet is a different language from Marathi, French just blows my fucking mind.

        • ForbiddenRoot@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          French just blows my fucking mind.

          In my experience, it was reasonably simple to learn how to read / write French. We had it in school for 3 years and then college for a couple of years. The emphasis was on reading / writing and not so much on speaking / listening, though I remember we had to recite some French poetry once. The teacher’s ears must have fallen of hearing our impeccable accents :D

        • ForbiddenRoot@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          Bonjour, aimez-vous les croissants?

          Un peu, mais je prefere les baguettes

          (and also I just realized I totally don’t know how to make acute / grave accents on my keyboard, if that’s possible at all with an en-US layout)

      • Roundcat@lemmy.ca
        21·
        2 years ago

        Perfectly acceptable for beginners to write in kana. Many of my students here primarily write in kana until up to 6th grade.

        • Akagigahara@lemmy.world
          21·
          2 years ago

          Definitely is. I forgot the actual name of the writing style, but for children’s books it is also not uncommon to have kanji with their hiragana transliteration above/beside it. Requiring someone to immediately write kanji when they learn japanese, especially as a secondary+ language is insane

    • Roundcat@lemmy.ca
      21·
      2 years ago

      試験を合格しておめでとうございます!🎉N４に頑張って!

  • panCat@lemmy.world
    245·
    2 years ago

    Many indians speak 4+ languages easily , and we dont even notice that 😅

      • Roundcat@kbin.social
        92·
        2 years ago

        Geographically it is a subcontinent that slammed into Asia to form the Himalayas, so you could make the argument it is its own thing.

      • MrSilkworm@lemm.ee
        44·
        2 years ago

        India and Pakistan are considered to be in Asia but more accurately they are considered to be in the Indian Subcontinent. The same way Iran, Saudi Arabia and the rest are also considered to be in Asia but they are more accurately considered to be on the Middle East.

    • Dr. Moose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      2 years ago

      Not to take away from this but often these 4 are very similar languages that could be easily interpreted as dialects if not the identity politics.

      • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        2 years ago

        It is complicated. India has at least four language families - Indo-European, Dravidian, Austroasiatic and Sino-Tibetan. So Hindi (I-E) is closer related to English or Greek than to Tamil (Dra), Santali (AA) or Zeme (S-T). While it is rare for people to speak languages belonging to all four families, I know at least three people who can passably speak six languages from two or three families.

        • panCat@lemmy.world
          2·
          2 years ago

          Well most indian languages are not even mutually intelligible so idk if its about identity politics or what not !

    • Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz
      6·
      2 years ago

      How well do you speak those languages? For example, can you order pizza with pineapple and olives in any of those languages? What if the pizza you get is cold, there’s only one olive on it and the crust is soggy, could you get your complaints through in any language?

      Or perhaps will the explanation be more like: “Pizza bad, no good. Want money back.”

  • BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
    267·
    2 years ago

    The only good thing that the Americanization brought is, that, except the French, the world can communicate with each other in English.

    • ForbiddenRoot@lemmy.mlEnglish
      9·
      2 years ago

      I know you are joking but based on my purely anecdotal personal experience, the French (at least in Paris) can now speak and are willing to speak in English much more than a few decades back.

      The first time I went to France, almost 25 years back, I had a rough time communicating at restaurants or even buying tickets at the Paris metro stations. Not sure if the latter was an ability or willingness issue because even holding up two fingers and saying “two tickets” was apparently indecipherable. Had to muster my school days French and say “deux billets” to produce instant results.

      Edit: And no, the two fingers I was holding up were not the middle finger of each hand :P

      • kameecoding@lemmy.world
        31·
        2 years ago

        it’s like the one upside(ish) of capitalism they had to start communicating in English, because tourism.

          • kameecoding@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 years ago

            well because it’s kind of a forced adoption in an ideal world we would have developed a common tongue by slowly merging the languages, or at least would have taken one that’s pretty good and then improve on it. For example Hungarian is much better in the sense that what you write is what you pronounce, not the mess that is English, so in an ideal common tongue I feel like that aspect would be adopted.

            Of course Hungarian also has stupid parts, ly (<- that’s supposed to be indeed one letter) and j is the same thing. x is just ks, y is pronounced the same as i and w is just v so there is some extra fat on it, but other than that the 44 letters cover all the sounds you make while pronouncing words.

            • BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              2 years ago

              Hungarian is like Chinese to most romanic / germanic languages.

              While being excellent in describing every little thing pretty efficiently and short, the problem I see with highly advanced languages is imho that they are pretty complicated to learn.

      • BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        2 years ago

        Oh I love the UK! I just hate the Trump-impression the people who’re too old that they should be allowed to vote have given power.

  • BruceLee@lemmy.mlEnglish
    192·
    2 years ago

    Meanwhile, many africans speak 2 languages in their family, a third one for people that don’t speak one of theses two and have studied french and english.

    • nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip
      11·
      2 years ago

      So, exactly how it works in Southeast Asia, especially Indonesian.

      They speak native local language from their city, other two from other islands, English for international language, sometimes Chinese, Malay, Arabic, Korean, or Japanese. Not to forget the national language, Indonesian.

  • Gestrid@lemmy.caEnglish
    204·
    2 years ago

    Many Americans actually are bilingual or are studying another language to become bilingual.

  • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
    215·
    2 years ago

    I’ll never understand this attitude that Europeans have towards Americans. I thought we were friends.

    • cazssiew@lemmy.world
      92·
      2 years ago

      I’m franco-american, living in france, and I regularly get people telling me they’re sorry for insulting me for being american. It’s so ingrained in the culture here to shit on americans it’s something of a knee-jerk reaction. I get it, america’s the hegemon, we’re the big baddy, I just wish that didn’t spill over into a kind of xenophobia that people are so comfortable with they regularly catch themselves being openly insulting to people they call their friends.

    • Kiosade@lemmy.ca
      51·
      2 years ago

      I remember back in high school there was this Danish foreign exchange student one year, and she would not shut up about how this or that was better in Denmark.

    • t�m@lemmy.ml
      62·
      2 years ago

      They can’t talk to eagles 🦅 so they don’t count that as a language

    • Stuka@lemmy.ml
      62·
      2 years ago

      My theory is they don’t like constantly seeing us in their news and entertainment when we rarely see anything at all from their country.

      • RushingSquirrel@lemm.ee
        4·
        2 years ago

        Thing is, there’s not much American news outside of the US. I live in Canada and have far less news about America than I’d thought there should be given how we are neighbors and partners. Most of the news I used to hear about the USA is from Reddit. And when I visit France (which I do regularly, bring born there), there’s almost nothing about the US there.

        Recently though, Trump was also over and it wasn’t pretty. Also when going on Reddit, it’s 80% about US News and content, but not necessarily the best news.

        Overall, what bothers me and others is how much patriotic a lot of the Americans seem to be and how great they seem to think they are, even when you hear how bad the society is in terms of healthcare, pension, divided politics, crimes, conspiracy theory, etc.

        But everytime I’ve been to the US, I’ve only met great and friendly people and have always appreciated it. You usually hear about the bad parts in the news.

    • Lifted_lowered@beehaw.orgEnglish
      31·
      2 years ago

      They believe themselves superior in every way, including racially. Look up the racist “le 56% face” Nazi memes to see what they think about that.

      • TheOakTree@beehaw.orgEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        Modern neo-nazis and white supremacists just don’t really understand that the Nazis from WWII would reject and enslave a majority of them… mainly for having Jewish, Slavic, Roma, or other ethnic groups’ blood.

        Turns out post-WWI/WWII economic crises lead to a lot of migration and mixing of groups, who woulda thunk?

        The “le 56% face” meme, on both sides of the coin, is just a precursor to the world’s greatest Leopards ate My Face meme.

    • BigBen103@lemm.ee
      22·
      2 years ago

      We are only friends because the other big guys look way because out of the big guys the usa look the least scary.

  • Roundcat@kbin.social
    131·
    2 years ago

    面白いね。メキシコがアメリカの近くにあるのに、アメリカの大分がスペイン語を全然はなせないねｗ！私もスペイン語が習いたいけど、日本語もうＰａｉｎｉｎｔｈｅａｓｓだよ！

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      21·
      2 years ago

      There are few reasons to visit Mexico for most Americans, even those on the border. If you don’t understand that, then you’re ignorant of how things typically work here. I live there (in a border city), feel free to ask me questions.

      This said, I agree that japanese is a pain in the ass to learn. Still, I’m really enjoying the process of it. I’m done with Hiragana, and I’m learning Katakana now. So, I’m a the level of a child, basically… But that’s okay. We all have to start somewhere, and judging strangers is kind of considered an asshole move here in America.

      Good luck with your learnings.

      • Roundcat@kbin.social
        2·
        2 years ago

        I assume in terms of incentive, there are more reason for Spanish speakers to learn English than English speakers to learn Spanish. Likewise most Spanish speakers within the US tend to keep to their own communities, and you’re unlikely to directly interact with them unless you are friends with people in the group, or frequently do business with people who speak Spanish.

        It’s kinda like Russian and its bordering Countries. Many people in Kazakhstan can speak Russian, but not many Russians can speak Kazakh.

        And good luck with your language endeavors as well. Japanese does get easier the more you interact with it. I am at the top of my game when I’m watching and reading media constantly.

        • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          2 years ago

          That’s exactly correct. I can be in Mexico in a half an hour or less if I hopped in my car right now. Despite this, I haven’t heard anyone speak Spanish in literally years. There’s some communities here that will denegrate folks for not speaking English, although that’s thankfully not very common in my city.

          Still, despite my cities approval and acceptance of immigrants, there’s been a cultural expectation for over a century for immigrants to assimilate here, rather than mix. This leads to English, the most convenient language for us to learn, often being the only one we learn. It also means bilingual immigrants are often pushed to abandon further study in their original language in order to fully embrace and improve their English.

          The fact English is the most popular language on the planet, and the one used most often in international business, gives further incentive to master it over starting or continuing a different language. As the poorly constructed meme above sloppily showcases, most people (forget only targeting Americans) don’t master this language. I can only imagine it’s not the easiest one out there to learn.

          Japanese is a lot of fun so far! I love anime, and I look forward to someday watching without subs or dubs. It only took a few weeks to learn the Hiragana, but the Kanji are likely to humble me greatly.

          • Roundcat@kbin.social
            2·
            2 years ago

            I recommend the pokemon anime, especially if you grew up with the English dub. It’s a kid’s anime, so the difficulty level isn’t very high, and if you are familiar with the episodes, it can help you fill in the gaps to where your comprehension ends. Plus its really interesting seeing the subtle differences in the music, edited scenes restored, and even getting to see outright banned episodes.

  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
    165·
    2 years ago

    Include anglo Canadians in there too!

    Complaining about bilingual (english + french) positions in the public service is a favorite hobby of anglo public servants, as if the french ones didn’t need to learn a second language to get the job… Heck, it’s not rare to see/hear one argue that french Canadians should just start speaking english and stop bothering them about their “unique culture”…

    But hey, it’s not racism… Or so they say 🤷

    • Jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      81·
      2 years ago

      I can confirm this, in high school (Québec) no one really gives a f**k about learning English as they don’t need it if they stay in Québec and don’t understand that knowing English is a valuable asset.