Summary
Senator Bernie Sanders criticized Elon Musk over his support for the H-1B visa program, calling it a tool for corporations to replace good-paying American jobs with lower-wage foreign labor.
Sanders cited data showing U.S. companies laid off 85,000 American workers between 2022 and 2023 while hiring 34,000 H-1B visa holders, arguing this undermines U.S. competitiveness.
Musk, who credits the visa program for his success, defended it, stating he’s ready to “go to war” over the issue.
The debate has divided MAGA conservatives, exposing rifts within Trump’s coalition.
He took off the mitts to throw fucking hands!
No Bernie let them fight. “Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself.”
Oh he’s absolutely letting them fight, he’s just stoking them up more playing into the big issue splitting the republican party in two.
I generally agree with you but I think there’s an exception to every rule, I mean, he just dumped gas on the MAGA dumpster fire. What’s wrong with that?
Also, love me some barqs my dude.
I think the expression is “Don’t interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.”
Bernie always was MAGA but not for the slogan but actually to improve people’s lives.
Well take away the “again” because America never had what he wants.
We did have a 90% tax bracket… and Roe v. Wade, and Presidents who were presumably accountable to the justice system, and elections that people generally accepted the outcome, and much less toxic disconnect between political parties, and media that wasn’t all owned by a handful of billionaires, and we had the Fairness Doctrine, and Citizens United.
So yah getting back to that basic level of functionality would be nice actually.
Whenever I think of “MAGA” I think of the strong middle class that characterized post-war America and wonder wtf these people are actually doing.
I hear you, but that strong post-war middle class was overwhelmingly white due to our racist systems. As much as I like the things you’ve mentioned, we need to stop looking at our past and look at the future.
Cool so we’ll do it again but for everyone this time it’ll be rad
Yeah but who do we take the stuff from then?
The billionaires?
Those programs, while imperfectly implemented, also showed that they really did improve the lives of the people who were able to gain the advantages of them. We need to look to what those programs did well and fix and rework what those programs did poorly.
90% was the top rate, in practice the rich during that time paid less tax than today because they had huge loopholes
Top 1% paid only 16.9% of their income in tax compared to 25.9% now (of the total amount, you can be in a higher bracket and your total percentage will always be lower than your bracket)
US has a lot of dark history for sure, but being middle class wasn’t as bad as it is right now.
Is anyone middle class anymore? I mean like doctors and lawyers sure, but for the average worker it’s out of reach.
Tech workers are one of the few groups that can get a 4 year degree, work hard and be able to afford a house, health insurance, a few cars, annual vacations, education for their kids and have a decent retirement. Granted, it’s not all of tech and it isn’t guaranteed, but it’s fucked that everyone who works can’t get this basic shit (car as basic shit is debatable but much of the US is designed around cars). But Phony Stark is desperate to knock the techies down a peg or two because I guess he needs more money to fund his king of mars fantasy? What a fucking dick.
He’s intentionally reducing the opportunities for well-paid work in the country. What an asshole. The whole immigration process needs to be streamlined so people don’t even need to deal with this H1B indentured servitude bullshit.
Visas being tied to an employer and getting only 1-3 months to get a new job if you get laid off is fucking awful. If we had the same number of tech workers here on visas but they had real mobility then it would be an entirely different story.
And to add insult to injury, Elmo didn’t even follow the visa rules when he started in the US. If he weren’t a billionaire he could legit get deported for breaking immigration laws in the past.
Strong disagree. Keep them riled up. Make sure musk isn’t able to distract them.
I don’t know man I think now would be the perfect time for aoc to take the opposite side of bernie and then both sides of musk vs maga can point and say they are working with the dems
smarter choice to attack elon, trump wont be with us that much longer in the grand scheme of things. good chance he passes in office. one way or another
I’m honestly shocked his brain hasn’t been devoured by syphilis yet, I guess he’s listening to the experts around him juuust enough to take the abx, but if he’s got sodium or other diet restrictions no way he’s following them.
I’m constantly surprised that he hasn’t farted himself to death 🤔
That’s how I want to go out.
Trump farting you to death‽
Lets hope that massive pile of breathing human excrement passes his last mushy liquid mound of stool in his depends while sitting in the oval Office. Jd Vance is also disgusting but he had half a spine when he told the truth that trump is America’s hitler. Sold out his morals pretty quick to be American hitler’s vp though
So now Bernie sanders is pulling a “they’re taking our jobs”? We are living in strange times.
“The cheaper the labor they hire, the more money the billionaires make,” Sanders added.
So now Bernie sanders is pulling a “they’re taking our jobs”?
Honestly can’t tell if serious
What if I told you that illegal immigrants are essentially slaves, and far cheaper to hire than visa holders?
What if I told you, “no shit sherlock”.
And you don’t think the rich benefit from that?
You’ve made it this far while entirely avoiding taking a fucking hint so expecting you to read words and be permitted to interpret them yourself is just completely unfair, so here is the definition:
No shit, Sherlock:
- That is or was completely obvious or self-evident.
- The ironical reference to the famous fictional detective Sherlock Holmes is meant to emphasize that the thing mentioned did not require any great intelligence or deduction to determine or know.
What you said, that I responded, “no shit sherlock”, to is superfluously obvious. It required literally no work of thought to comprehend.
So here’s how I handle posts that start by linking to dictionary.com; I assume the person on the other end is a pretentious douche, I stop reading, and I reply to explain why so they don’t waste any more time writing things I’m not going to read.
Lol, maybe next time just think before you type. It’s not hard. And maybe the fact that you have met so many “pretentious douches” should tell you that maybe the rest of the world isn’t as pretentious as you are simple. Maybe the common denominator in all of your experiences with assholes is you. And maybe outsourcing your critical thought to everyone around you makes you an incorrigible drag on society. Good thing you didn’t read this though.
He’s been consistent on these issues for a while. “Open borders? That’s a Koch brothers proposal.”
Sanders cited data showing U.S. companies laid off 85,000 American workers between 2022 and 2023 while hiring 34,000 H-1B visa holders, arguing this undermines U.S. competitiveness.
He’s against 85k americans getting fired, and being replaced by LESS immigrants.
Aren’t these separate issues? I won’t pretend to know much about this, but it does seem like some companies are taking advantage of H-1B employees.
That’s the point Bernie is making, American companies are firing American workers to hire H-1B at much lower wages.
Never did I imagine living in a dimension that this was not so glaringly obvious that it needed to be said… [clocks room] We’re fucked.
Those immigrants are basically being worked as indentured slaves whose only way to remain in the US is to accept whatever bad deal the corpos throw at them. IF the immigrants were guaranteed the same wages with no dependency on their employers to stay in the US and look for fair work, he would have far less of a problem with it. On a level playing field immigration is okay, but if the corpos basically import slave labor it’s not.
Right now H-1B visas are being used to play the foreign working class against the domestic working class, this is precisely what he argues against.
Elon credits this for his success? As in he successfully got one after being here illegally?
I read it as him saying Tesla, SpaceX, etc. couldn’t have succeeded without H1-B visa workers.
Werner von Braun?
He should. They’re a few facts away from him being their actual representative candidate.
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That’s because Elon isn’t supporting H1B out of his love for immigrants or immigration. He’s supporting it because he knows he can pay them less. He’s a capitalist douchebag selling out the country to lowest bidder
You’re the one dancing to this capitalist’s tune
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Bernie had his chance and so did the rest of the paid off Democrats
gloves on both sides are off and even if Democrats magically win the next election nothing will change
once Bernie dies someone else will be appointed to be the single nutjob that appears to be on the side of the citizens all for show
I’ll bash on the the DNC leadership any day of the week but I don’t know what you’re trying to blame Bernie for.
And they’re calling him a Democrat, minimizing his incredible achievement of getting and staying elected to national office as an independent.
Look at Bernie’s entire life of fighting this shit and say that again.
No one is ever pure enough for Verdant Banana’s purity test. But you’d think they would at least take time to be happy that Harris lost considering how hard they tried to make that happen.
Speaking of people being paid off…
Bernie Sanders left the Democratic Party in 2020 and is an independent. If you’re going to bash someone for their affiliations, at least check first.
And he only went from I to D in 2016 to run on the D ticket.
Moron alert
Pretty sure that’d be AOC…
