And now America is paying the price for a bunch of people who thought that they would somehow stop genocide abroad by enabling the man who wants genocide domestically.
Yeah, I don’t know how to read this except “voters a fucking morons, obviously.”
Nothing new there but it didn’t stop Democratic candidates from doing what they needed to win elections in the past
Now now, he ALSO wants genocide abroad.
He always did.
Didn’t Trump suggest nuking Palestine? No matter what these people say, it all just sounds like they were looking for any excuse to support Baby Huey while feeling better about themselves for doing so. If it wasn’t Palestine, it would’ve been something else.
Precisely. Harris enabled her opponent to win by having a weak stance on Israel. She handed him the keys to the White House, as the article clearly describes, by not standing up and speaking out against genocide.
I’m sorry, but putting the entirety of the blame on Harris when there were plenty of people who didn’t care whether or not a rapist fascist dictator got into power and plenty of others specifically telling people not to vote for Harris is ludicrous.
There is so much blame to go around and people like you who just blame Harris now make me think that you were part of the group telling people to absolutely not vote for Harris no matter what. People like you are why I have to flee for my daughter’s safety.
She literally stood and spoke out against genocide at the DNC. Granted, it came off a little soft but, she very clearly said that her administration does not condone genocide and that they would use various strategies to put pressure on Israel, while “maintaining strategic military alliances in the region”. It was a tactful/“politically-savvy” way to say it, but she did speak on it and promise action. I may be wrong, but I don’t think we can say the same for Donny.
a) A soft stance against genocide is not a very good stance on genocide.
b) Biden also said he was against genocide. His position is that all the starvation, collective punishment, and attacks against civilian infrastructure just weren’t genocide so nothing much needed to be done. She said she didn’t disagree with anything he had done.
And just to jump to the next step of this conversation, yes, Trump was vocally worse and while it’s hard to imagine being much worse than what Biden has done, I think he has the potential to figure out a way. A sober and objective and rational game theorist should choose to vote for Harris.
But that’s not how voters work. “We’re 98% bad, but he’ll be 100%” isn’t a message to keep your coalition together. Emotional voters will cut off their nose to spite their face and that’s a fundamental aspect of how politics works that can’t be ignored or dismissed because they should do something else.
Well, I suppose it’s a good thing that wasn’t “the next step of the conversation”, internet-stranger-oracle. What an odd and presumptuous way to make an argument…
What I would have said is; So, no evidence? You’re right that a softly worded stance on genocide is not a good one. It also isn’t supporting genocide. Those two things are long and far apart. Harris’ statement on Israel was political/tactful because she knows that US military bases in Israel are extremely important for US interests in the region. She had to give an answer to a very complex question, without alienating or enraging multiple different groups, with very different interests, while still promising some action will be taken against Israel. I thought she walked that tight-rope pretty well and, in doing so, showcased a quality of leadership Trump, IMO, is not capable of displaying on his best days.
Here’s a clip of that portion of her speech, if you haven’t seen it already: https://youtu.be/oogNVOqnChc?si=rM_JBf6EQbUaG1pL
You won’t have a hard time arguing that Donald Trump is a massive piece of garbage, but your comment presumes that Kamala Harris and the Democratic party are entitled to votes.
You’ll find there is a large portion of the Democratic base who are not motivated to vote for a pro-genocide candidate, which is exactly the entire point of this poll. The Democratic party needs to do better and stop fighting against the progressive wing of the party if they ever want to regain the trust of working class people. At a bare minimum you would expect them to respect international law. Then again, they’re doing exactly what AIPAC and defense industry paid them to do, same as the Republicans.My comment presumes her opponent was a rapist fascist dictator. But that wasn’t enough for Americans.
And the Democratic Party isn’t going to do better because it will only exist in name only from now on. You and others got what you wanted. Now you’re going to have to live with the consequences. If you live.
As someone who voted for her, if you could stop blaming others for having strong feelings regarding who they give their vote, that’d be very chill. At this point I am pretty comfortable telling you that you’re causing more division and strife than you are helping. And, as far as I last understood, you’re out of here, right? If you could do me a favor and stop demotivating those of us trying to stick it out and fix it, I’d take it as a kindness.
You know what I would have taken as a kindness? Not having a bunch of queerphobic bigots get put into power.
No, sorry, I won’t stop giving my opinion about the mistake America has made that has forced me to drop my entire life and pack everything into a couple of suitcases so that I can ensure my daughter is not taken away from me so that you can feel more motivated.
Abso-fucking-lutely not. My life has been destroyed by this. I will never see my elderly mother in person again. So you and anyone else who want me to shut up about the dire mistake America made are just out of luck. It will not happen.
(Gotta wonder if you would tell a refugee from another country where they had to flee to shut up about it because they were causing divisions back there.)
Noted.
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I mean at least for now he seems to have followed up on that particular promise.
Fucking idiots will be the first in the camps here
I think, in general, it was more apathy. I know too many people with the kind of narrow world view that makes them not see the difference between the two parties. All they see the slow slide into a capitalist dystopia and they just check out. 7 million less votes can’t be pinned on one issue. It was a hundred issues that haven’t changed in forty years.
And honestly, that’s the brilliance of the GOP’s insanity. They’ve driven down engagement. Then everything about the Post-Truth Era has reinforced that. This is especially true of the positive aspects of Biden’s administration.
I generally agree with you, and I would also add that the DNC has been happy to go along with the Republican party to advance corporate interests.
It’s not like we didn’t know a lot of the tactics that the Republican party has employed for the last 30 years. These aren’t giant secrets, and they could be combated, except most Washington Democrats don’t want to, presumably because their corporate backers don’t want to.
They sure showed her.
No. They didn’t try to show her anything, because they don’t care about her ego. Why would they?
Cuz they were crowing all election about how voters should tech her a lesson over Gaza??? Were u under a rock???
Apparently. I peruse reddit at work and that wasn’t the sentiment there. Here? Sure. Facebook and Instagram? Nah.
This is the same poll as was taken down last time. And the takeaways aren’t being objectively discussed by Common Dreams or IMEU.
The swing states set Economy first, Gaza second. Gaza leads only if you include every state. And There’s no real discussion of the negative side. How many voters would she lose in swing states for breaking with Biden’s message? Particularly Pennsylvania, their must win state, which had the lowest support for Gaza.
I think we can realistically say Gaza is a big issue for Democrats but we already knew that from previous polling. I think we can also realistically say that the combination of her Gaza policy, Economic policy, and support for the most extreme immigration legislation in my lifetime, all contributed to her loss.
What makes me sad is that everyone is focused on gaming the election. The question shouldn’t be about what position on Gaza might have gotten Harris more votes. It should be about what Harris believed was the right policy. Not that I think that actually had much to do with it either.
We need to elect people who make decisions based on ethics and not on polls.
This poll is a joke. Less than 500 people. Clickbait crap.
The cross tabs are right there. 1078 people were polled. The poll looks fine. The articles are sensational.
Warning: the poll behind this article has false data because of biased question wording and order. See here for examples: https://lemmy.world/comment/14503824
Backing
You’re really confusing “not opposing” with “supporting”. #54%.
She banned the uncommitted movement from negoatiating as well as Palestinian speakers at the DNC rally, then she talked about Israel’s right to defend itself along with no indication of change of policy from Biden.
So I think backing and supporting is pretty accurate here.
Idiots. They contributed to Trump getting elected, who will be a thousand times worse for Gaza than Harris would have been. These are dumb voters. Fuck them.
Sweet, I can’t wait for our first election to not be influenced by dumb voters. When’s that going to happen? I guess we should just keep losing until then.
