In this thread lots of uninformed people rationalizing why it’s actually okay to use chromium.
In this thread lots of uninformed people misunderstanding how the open source Chromium project works (or the difference between Chrome and Chromium). Vivaldi is a Chromium-based browser who frequently disable the parts of Chromium they don’t agree with.
This argument not to use anything Chromium is the same as if someone was fanatically opposed to using Linux Mint or Elementary OS because they’re based on Ubuntu, and Canonical bad.
I love Firefox as much as the next person, and probably do a 75% Vivaldi 25% Firefox split, but let’s not act like Google isn’t bankrolling Mozilla, because they account for 85+% of Mozilla’s revenue, and if Google does implement this Web DRM and if it is widely adopted, Mozilla either submits and enables it to make sure daddy Google stays happy, or they die.
Typically this thinking is mostly correct - e.g. Manifest v3 - but not in this case. If websites see enough users using chormium, via user agent or other fingerprinting, they’ll be more willing to require WEI. And unlike Manifest v3 etc. this affects the whole web, not just users of one browser or the other.
In every case monopolies are bad. Including in tech.
And you fail to understand how terrible monoculture software is for the freedom of the web.
Stop to spread misinformation.
Yeah these half informed zealots really think this is somehow a righteous fight against the man.
they account for 85+% of Mozilla’s revenue
So why is a company, one that has a clear incentive to reduce dependence on their competitor, funding something like Rust or Thunderbird?
It is ok to use whatever browser you want
I mean, define “ok” in this context
Will chrome kill you? No
Will chrome physically hurt anyone else because you used it? No
Will the internet become less free if google is able to successfully force this? Yes
Does using chrome contribute to this? Yes, marginally
Would as many people as possible switching off of chrome and chromium and onto an alternative help? Yes
I find this whole thing an interesting argument, as someone who switched from chrome to firefox for extremely unrelated reasons months ago.
He ain’t bright and Google will win this because most of men are just puppets unwilling to discern
I think Google will win this too, just like I think we’re going to make the planet uninhabitable.
But I’m not going to roll coal, and I’m not going to use Chrome.
And spoiling Internet for the rest of us. None of us would have to go through this if more people used alternatives to chromium. No website would’ve accepted a 50% loss in visitors over accepting some companies special protocol
It absolutely is not. Just how it’s also not ok to buy the overpriced RTX 40 cards because it ruins the market for all of us.
Exactly right. It requires seeing yourself as a part of a community vs. fulfilling our selfish interests at the expense of others.
Another example were the suburban PS5 buyers who bought from scalpers so “their kids” could have one, not giving any thought to the fact that they’re contributing to a system that excludes the disadvantaged (or, even worse, knowing but not caring).
How does participating in the market ruin the market? It’s literally a fucking market. If they’re so overpriced then why are people buying the cards?
Why don’t you flock to their competitor if they’re pricing their items right and providing just the right value?
Just use Librewolf.
>sensible defaults
>no telemetry
>no ads
>no suggested sites
>no crypto bullshit
>it just works
And Fennec or Mull on Android.
Duckduckgo found tracking attempts in mull for me. It hasn’t in Firefox. I don’t know what makes the difference though.
I’m not sure about Mull because I’ve never tried it. I use Fennec, which purportedly removes the problematic telemetry, but I’ll be honest I’ve never actually verified this.
I do know some apps instead of removing trackers will replace them with dummy trackers, so I wonder if this might be what duckduckgo is detecting. I don’t really know since I also avoid duckduckgo lol
Does fennec support firefox sync?
Yes.
I can’t find librewolf in the play store. Is it PC only?
Edit: confirmed PC only, but I’ll try it on my laptop
Yes, LibreWolf for PC, Fennec for Android
Thanks!
Firefox mobile app sucks on my phone. Not sure about the rest of you. Doesn’t seem like there is a great alternative though.
It does seem slower on my Samsung Galaxy S10e, but I just downloaded it and as you said, there really isn’t a great alternative, so for now I’ll use it. I’m sure that someone will develop something better at some point.
It is extremely slow compared to chrome. But I still prefer to use it, unless I am in a hurry.
Somehow it’s shit on 60Hz displays. My 120Hz display phone, it’s quite snappy. But on my older 60Hz display phone, it’s unnaturally slow. If your phone isn’t HRR, then maybe this is it? I don’t quite know wtf is wrong with it
I use a picel a4.
Kiwi browser is very good. You can also install desktop extensions and there are built in dark mode with AMOLED settings
Been using duckduckgo for the longest time. No complaints.
Try Iceraven, the fork of Firefox.
There’s also Opera.
Opera is chromium based.
Dang, Chrome is everywhere these days
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There are plenty of people without issues using FireFox (like me). That being said, I’m sure there are those that have issues, so no downvotes from me. It is however better to not generalize like that.
It’s literally not. I’ve seen multiple performance-impacting bugs that people mention, which is a bummer for those users… But none of them happen to me (Pixel 5, android 13) or plenty of other users. Insisting that FF is just hopelessly broken on Android is simply untrue.
It absolutely used to suck performance wise since I used an S4 for about 2 years. Since then, it’s been great. As someone who used to dislike the performance, and now loves it, even over chromium stuff, I can safely suggest your oversimplified opinion is without any real basis. Sucks is such a vague word, and I guess it stops you having to detail and rationalise your personal opinion.
It’s always been great on the desktop.
And thus the brave lammings set out to inform other lemmings, who are as tech savvy and know this is happening, that this is happening by posting memes. Hopefully the people, who would already be using firefox if they cared, switch to firefox so we can breach the 3% market share and that’ll show Google, maker of Chrome and Firefox’ main sponsor, people care enough to stop this madness! - I’m not against activism, but activism in an echochamber can turn into a circlejerk. Everyone stop stroking please… I’m here for the memes.
But BrAaAVvvEe?!
The past week every post has just been browser icons.
FFS, go browse the bottom of the Potomac.
Nice pun!
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god damn it, i laughed WAY too hard at this. thanks for that, my shame knows no bounds.
Are you guys still using Chrome?
Yes, for now. But also brave, which I’m told I should stop doing as well. You can see how well I listen to advice.
if you want a decent browser, there is firefox and basically all its forks and brave
you shouldnt use brave if
- you dont want to support google, as brave is based on chromium
- you dont want to support the people behind it, as there are some people who say theyre bad people but i got no clue if its true
i dont like chromium so ill stick with firefox (and mullvad browser), even though im still technically supporting google since most of mozillas revenue is from google (though i believe it is better since its not software made by google)
Honestly, it’s mostly my comfort using chromium browsers (specifically chrome) for dev. I know the Firefox dev tools are way better than they used to be, but that’s one more thing to sink time into when I could instead just get things done lol.
But, it’s about that time.
you could try to degoogle chromium, if you want something similar to chrome
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Haha, jokes on you, I daily drive Firefox Nightly
Now that’s a joke to meme home about.
Firefox? That’s a strange way to spell LibreWolf.
LibreWolf? That’s a strange way to spell browsh.
Why?
Indeed. So boring and useless.
Those cucks aren’t going to stop using chrome, they like it and it’s good for them, so it’s a win win, they get their stupid people browser.
Meanwhile you flood lemmy instances with anti-LGBT memes. Gtfo clown 😂
I’ll stop using Chrome when I can’t block ads.
Better start moving to Firefox now because with WEI and Manifest V3 it’s not going to be very long until ads are unblockable
A lot of panics turn out to be nothing, or nowhere near as bad as people thought. No reason I can’t wait until it happens to move.
If you wait enough websites will start requiring WEI and changing to a browser without it will just click you out of them
Is there anything that’s like… not based on chromium… or firefox?
I keep seeing people with devout hatred for my beloved Firefox, but none of you say why.
Because Firefox honestly used to be shit, especially in the early Phoenix/Firebird days, but now it isn’t anymore, and they just haven’t bothered to check it out again. The “killing all the existing extensions” thing really didn’t help matters either.
Firefox in the Phoenix/Firebird days was amazing compared to ie6, Opera, and SeaMonkey/Mozilla suite
I agree it was a heavy blow when they announced that, I didn’t update for a few months, but man was it a nice fresh start, and I’m grateful that all the addons I had before have now made it over to the new system.
I admittedly didn’t use FF before it was FF, I think I got into it around probably 2006 or so, but it’s been great in my opinion ever since then.
I was really sour about the Mr Robot prank where they modified pages without informing the user. But weighing a prank gone wrong against the active goal of dicking over the internet I’ll take the well meaning pranksters.
??? I literally never said anything about hating Firefox, I was merely asking a simple question…
I used to use Firefox all the time, then they killed all the extensions. That doesn’t mean I somehow “hate it” LOL
But like, y’know, anyone that doesn’t agree with you is literally Satan, right? 🙄
Some that I have heard (some are outdated and/or mostly irrelevant):
- slightly slower
- websites develop for chrome first
- sites (0.1%) don’t render properly
- default Firefox still has telemetry
- still has ads
- no dinosaur game
- Mv3 AdBlock still works fine
- better security because more devs contribute to chromium
- mostly funded by Google anyways
- Brendan Eich (left 2014)
- invented JavaScript
- political opinions
That said, I’m still using Librewolf.
I know you didn’t say these were your opinions, but I’ll still see if I can comment on them:
It’s not. It’s actually faster.
Ehhhhhhhhh. Source?
Everything has telemetry, but Firefox shows you right where to turn it off, unlike the rest.
??? Which browser has no ads?
Fair.
Adblock? This a joke?
Source?
Source?
Relevance?
Also, Librewolf is just a fork of FF, you can make main FF exactly like Libre but get same day updates and security patches.
I have one thing missing from Firefox that keeps me from permanently switching: vertical tabs. I know there’s ways of hacking it into FF, but nothing sustainable. I know it seems minor, but in Brave/Edge, it just works so damn well.
sideberry
Thanks, I’ll give it a shot.
I prefer Tab Center Reborn with CSS edits, but Sideberry absolutely gets the job done, and well.
There’s not a lot these days ever since Opera and Edge switched to Chromium. You gotta move to Apple’s ecosystem for an alternative.
An actual, insightful answer that isn’t toxic, and doesn’t throw shade or insult anyone or anything? My goodness, I must be dreaming!
Thanks for not disintegrating me, cuz that’s where the bar is at, apparently 🙄
