Summary
Judges across the U.S. are blocking Trump’s aggressive executive orders, with some rulings expressing deep frustration.
A Trump-appointed judge halted his attempt to place 2,200 USAID employees on leave, while another blocked Elon Musk’s team from accessing Treasury records.
A Reagan-appointed judge condemned Trump’s disregard for the rule of law in a ruling against his birthright citizenship plan.
These legal setbacks are forcing federal agencies to reveal more details and raising concerns over Trump’s expansive use of executive power.
Who will enforce the judges’ rulings, is my question.
Or said another way: what prevents Trump and his goons and sycophants from simply disregarding them and carrying on whatever the hell they’re doing unabashed?
Nothing as far as I can tell, but the media, and even a lot of people on Lemmy still seem to think they care about the law or feel in any way obligated to abide by it. And I do not get it.
It’s not about this being some sort of firewall to stop him in his tracks or anything, the opportunity for that was last election, and we failed. It’s now about being an effective opposition, just like they try do when we win.
To paraphrase AOC, there needs to be sand in his gears. Yeah, he can push a lot of stuff through anyway, but we definitely want it to be as difficult as possible, costing them extra effort.
Here’s a kinda tired-seeming AOC chit chatting about all this stuff for 90 minutes on livestream:
https://youtu.be/CVgNJf6CsBA
Though the main battle is still over teaching logic and critical thinking to the public and individual civic dialogue imo.
Bingo. It ultimately won’t stop him, but every act of resistance will slow him down, and every act of submission will speed him up. Choose to resist.
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i thought the ultimate rule was to follow the Constitution … like if a tyrannical president orders the army generals to kill everybody on Earth (or similar insanity) then, those generals will refuse the order based on the Constitution … and same would go for other people in authority … ?
Turns out the Constitution is just an old piece of hemp paper.
… until the people rise to defend it … i am still hoping.
Maybe they shouldn’t be worried about defending anything if they rise up.
It provides cover for the resisting people in the agencies. Right now the nazis have the fig leaf of executing an EO when they enter these facilities and do their treason, and when the courts strip that it makes it legal (maybe required?) to bar physically them from the facilities
…at which point they get whichever security forces they want to physically force their way into the building. With weapons.
You’re still thinking they play by the rules when they just don’t.
Unless you’re talking about borrowing ICE, the rest of the feds are also not participating in this so far or are also suing the administration. And the DC police seem to have pretty strong opinions from what I’ve read since '21. The Trump administration has not demonstrated they have the force level to storm these facilities in the face of active opposition and are counting on people just letting them in on their fraudulent authority.
Even if the Trump administration is not compliant, the alternative would be approval of this coup d’etat.
Another alternative is to resist them in mass action.
But that requires effort.
In the end, I suspect he doesn’t have the military sucking his cock. If he starts openly disobeying the rule of law, military officers have an obligation to overthrow him and protect the constitution. That’s the one hope we have left.
Yeah I think you got that right. He barfed on well-respected generals and disrespected veterans so much I don’t think the military really loves Trump all that much.
They’ll never overthrow him. If he can’t fill the top brass ranks with toadies, at most they’ll just refuse to violate posse comitatus without a damn good reason for martial law.
The actually physical people that are supposed to be affected play a big role. Short of locking people our of a space and systems, if an EO declared an agency “closed” but a judge said “nope, do it legal-like,” people still showing up to work and expecting to get paid are all following the law.
They hoped to be able to just wish this all away because they hate doing the real work of governing.
People aren’t going to risk putting up a fight to defend their job. If Trump and Musk post goons at the entrance, no employee in their right mind will try to force their way in because they’re legally supposed to be at work. They’ll all stay at home and demand to be paid their salaries, because they were willing to work but were prevented to.
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Short of real humans locking the doors, just keep showing up.
Doors locked? Work from home.
No system access? OK, well you’re not on paid leave, so does someone preventing you from earning an income have legal authority to do that? Sounds like a lovely lawsuit.
Don’t just roll over and disappear, that’s giving them what they want.
If I’m drawing a salary from you and you don’t give me proper notice and a pink slip, I’ll be all over you like a fly on a ripe turd. I don’t think anybody who’s lawfully employed by the agencies that have been taken over by Trump’s goons are going to let the matter slide and sulk in their corner. It’s just that a job isn’t worth physically resisting said goons.
It would have to be us.
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Eventually it comes down to the military. If the military decide to park their tanks in front of the white house and shoot or bombs protesters it’s game over. If they decide the president is a traitor and go after him then he’s gone.