Summary
Trump is pushing for softer language on Russia’s war in Ukraine, straining G7 unity.
Officials say the U.S. is blocking references to “Russian aggression” and prefers calling it the “Ukraine conflict.”
This shift follows Trump’s peace talks with Putin that excluded Ukraine’s President Zelensky, whom Trump later called a “dictator.”
The change in rhetoric contrasts with Biden-era support for Ukraine and threatens a unified G7 stance.
it increases the number of people that want to blow up america every day. i bet americans abroad will have a hard time getting food in foreign countries where the cook did not spit on it.
They should kick him out when he shows up for that threat
I’d love to ask all of the MAGA heads to just question themselves this: Why go through all of this just to help Putin. Some fucked up shit must go on that Trump risks all of this just for Putin.
Same reason the US helps Israel?
The US helps Israel because they like the US more than the rest of the middle east and the US wants control of the middle east so Iran doesn’t control it as a proxy for Russia.
So the US supports Isreal to hurt Russian interests. And is now diverting all Ukraine funds to Isreal to waste the money.
Under Biden we were on track to steal Palestine as a reaction to Putin stealing parts of Ukraine.
Now that Putin has Ukraine he doesn’t care about distracting the US through Iran and is fine having his puppet Trump keep sending their tax dollars to Isreal.
But since Trump is giving up Ukraine it is more of a trade where the US trades control of Ukraine for control of Palestine.
joe biden himself said if isreal wouldnt exist, america would need to create a proxy there to control the region.
The US has already had control over Palestine through Israel for decades.
The US-Israel alliance has been a disgusting and embarrassing debacle
According to Alnur Mussayev, 6th Directorate of the KGB in Moscow, Don was recruited by the KGB in 1987 and given the codename Krasnov.
Drop the USA and change the metting to the G6 + California until Jan 2029.
Blow it apart. America doesn’t belong with its former Allies.
Its clear that America has no interest in being apart of the free world, they checked out.
Now fuck off and go destroy yourselves in a frenzy over transgender bathroom doors and eggs. The rest of us still have lives to live and futures to protect.
So making peace with russia is destroying the free world, but letting Ukraine and russia have a forever war isn’t?
Giving Russia everything they want and not negotiating with Ukraine is destroying the free world.
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You would suck your abusive boyfriend’s dick with one black eye because you’d be stupid enough to believe him when tells you that if you do, he wouldn’t give you a second.
Yes, because appeasing an agressor only begats more aggression.
Appeasement doesn’t work. We know that from WWII.
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What kind of dumb ass uninformed comment is this. We all want the war to end. But with freedom, not more oppression
Right?
Russia could end the war it started right now. And leave. It chooses not to.
Then European countries need to fight. Ukraine can’t win alone.
He was giving us the approved view from St. Petersburg.
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The fuck is G7 anyway, but the face of global capitalism?
Just doublechecking my premises, there’s this from Investopedia:
The Group of Seven is an intergovernmental organization made up of the world’s largest developed economies: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Government leaders of these countries meet periodically to address international economic and monetary issues, with each member taking over the presidency on a rotating basis…
Yeah, fuck 'em, but all is forgiven if G7 has the balls to expel America.
G8 expelled Russia for the original Ukrainian invasion in 2014. If need be, I suppose they can become G6. Or honestly, in this day and age, there are many more nations whose opinions should be considered. G7 is pretty eurocentric and I say this as an European (though not a citizen of any of the 7)
The G6 should incorporate Ukraine, Taiwan, and Panama. Then extend a treaty of friendship to Blue States within America. America clearly has no (good) future, and the world will change because of it. Might as well make the most of it.
Replace the US with China
Replace fascism with… checks notes again… fascism…
What?
What? Hell no! The Orange KGB agent and Leon Hitler want the US to be like China.
Even better, South Korea
It was a thought I had too, but tbh I feel iffy about China.
If China’s willing to stop supporting Russia, I could see the west sans US starting closer ties with China. That alliance would be an economic powerhouse for sure.
China would have to do a whole lot more than just “not support russia”. As a starter, they’d need to start being transparent, honest, and not censor the ever loving shit out of all information from their country. Then they could stop genociding minorities.
I figure the best way to convince China to stop supporting Russia is to give them a better option. Europe is a bigger economy and more in line with many of China’s goals. Russia is chaotic and weak by comparison.
That’s definitely true, and the thought has crossed my mind before.
Anything an European company manages to sell in China is going to be a huge boost too. It’s the damn IP laws that are a pain to work with, though. A Chinese company perfectly clones your product? Well, you’re not going to win if you sue them.
China is as a bad faith actor if not worse than the US. And that’s saying something. Moreover, they are threatening another democracy (Taiwan) while being a dictatorship. What would be the EU stance in case of aggression? Ukraine being invaded is bad, but Taiwan is fine? That would be hypocrisy at it’s worst
That would piss them off so much lol
Kick the US out. If our democracy survives Trump, you can always readmit us when we have a president who acts in good faith. Otherwise, this shit is only going to get worse…
Unfortunately it’s likely going to take more than just electing a nice guy for USA to earn back its status as a trustworthy ally. When the country can just go rogue every four years, making threats against allies and backing out of agreements — and half of the country is so nationalist that they applaud it — you can’t really establish a basis of trust.
I wish you were wrong.
I guess I can pray for balkanization and that our further allies take pity on whatever Blue City State I end up being a member of.
Precisely this. Once this trust has been lost and the ‘G6’ face a world where they cannot count on the US, geopolicies will change and the US will not be perceived trustworthy anytime soon. As it stands, it will be considered yet another global power with anti-democratic tendencies, policies that endanger world piece and disrupt the common pursuit for prosperity and is considered best kept in check.
I’m a US citizen. Please kick us out. The more countries that take concrete action against us that actually hurt us the more likely congress and the voters are to stand up to Trump.
If you think any fact will affect the American public, you are much more optimistic than me.
Republicans will blame Soros, o Pelosi, or AOC and trump will have even more support.
That’s assuming they even pay attention to anything international other than Ukraine or Israel (many don’t).
By allowing our politicians a seat at the table you’re opening yourself up to more harm.
Isolate us, make the voting public feel the consequences of their actions. Respond to tariffs with tariffs on red states. Sanction administration official of the inevitable human rights abuses that are coming. Call out the lies of our Government openly and with evidence.
This isn’t going to change if there are never any consequences for the people who’re doing this as well as their supporters. Revoke the visas of our oligarchs, limit their travel, stop doing business with their companies. Create incentives for educated Americans to immigrate to healthier democracies and ban our social media companies before they finish poisoning your country as well.
I am hoping that if the American dollar hyperinflates, Europe will blacklist billionaires and Muskcoin, instead only offering Euros for assets among non-billionaires. That will keep Europe insulated, and maybe allowing it to take a chunk of Red American flesh. They could also allow Blue States to swap dollars for Euros at a favorable rate for them, to rig the restructuring of America in the favor of non-fascists.
The Euro could become the Dollar of the future.
We don’t want educated Americans emmigrating elsewhere. We want you to fix your shit and educated Americans are the only ones that can do that.
If you leave, the idiots are left in charge of some of the spiciest military hardware and without smart people, will probably end up using it.
The voting public seem to be pretty susceptible to whatever spin the Orange House puts on the consequences of their actions.
Do you really believe they’ll see through what Trump does and blame themselves before blaming Canada, for example?
Agreed. We earned this. I hope we gain the world’s trust again, but it’ll most likely never be like it was…
Yeah, China’s not in even though it’s the second largest economy in the world. In the 90s it almost became G-8 to include Russia, but then Putin screwed that up.
It’s not all that different of a situation from Russia being kicked out because of Putin’s shenanigans, really.
Should try to get Brazil to leave BRICS and join the G-7 club. The US could go be in BRICS bullshit (or maybe then it’d be called the USRICS?) with the other authoritarian assholes of the world.
or maybe then it’d be called the USRICS?
SIRCUS
Got me feelin’ so fly, like a G6
American here: make it the G6. I am 100% serious. Trump is not your friend, and the rest of our fucking government is demonstrably inept in the extreme in terms of resisting this fascist takeover.
Yes, PLEASE! The rich fucks need to start feeling the consequences of this bullshit where it hurts. It’s the only domestic demographic that can offer enough pressure to motivate this administration to change their behavior.
Amen. Also American. Cut America off. Do not stand for this stupidity. If American voters regain their minds in 2 or 4 years, we can all figure out how to move on. If not, America doesn’t deserve your grace and goodwill when it’s showing none. Ostracize us for the good of the world.
Fucking clown.
Another American here. Yeah, we’re not Europe’s friend anymore. I hate it, but it’s true. Dear Leader has made it abundantly clear that unless you are somehow enriching him and/or his billionaire cabinet, he’s not interested in being your friend. You can hold up as many past agreements and treaties his predecessors signed and it won’t mean jack shit to him. Putin is his daddy because Putin loves oligarchs, and wants to be an oligarch sooooooo bad.
It’s going to end up that way whether EU does something now or not. He’ll just pick up his ball and leave like he’s done every time so far.
I’ve come to notice that the rest of the world is already beginning to leave us behind. The realization came with the TikTok ban. Soon as I heard that TikTok could be banned, I started looking for alternatives because I was pretty sure it was going to happen. I stumbled upon XHS by accident and about a month before everyone else. I was absolutely fucking blown away by China. It’s unlike we’ve been told in almost all respects…
I really came to realize that other countries are leaving us in their dust and it’s only a matter of time before we’re not the Apex predator anymore, and frankly I can hardly blame them.
Have you uh… actually been to China? Or talked to anyone from China (in real life)? I do both, quite often. Without fail, anyone with the means is actively trying to leave. And not in a “grass is greener” way. Those emigrating to America are fully aware of the political turmoil, they’d just rather be out before it’s not physically possible to leave.
It’s unlike we’ve been told in almost all respects…
Based on testimony from a demonstrably censored platform?
I’m not arguing for American superiority or that the vacuum won’t be easily filled by other countries. But that change isn’t automatically an upgrade.
Have you uh… actually been to China?
Yes. Almost a dozen times.
Or talked to anyone from China (in real life)?
Yes.
Without fail, anyone with the means is actively trying to leave.
Have you thought about why? Ask them to describe the US. They’ve been told an astonishing amount of propaganda about the US that is all incredibly untrue. I’m telling you. Actually talk to these people that you’re “in contact” with about how they view the US. They believe that every US Citizen is a millionaire. They think we have good healthcare. They think we all live in great houses. They think we all work a few hours a week and get paid a lot for it… It’s never ending. So I mean, yeah. If you get told there are places like that in the world of course you would want to leave your home country.
So you’ve been in the last few months since you learned these great things? Or was it before Covid, when people were physically caged into their apartments?
Was it only to the sterilized foreigner hotels on business trips? Or did you ever stay with locals who had to register your passport with the local police?
Were you able to spend physical currency or was everything already hooked up to official biometric identification (payments tied to socials tied to state id)?
I’m not asking to be confrontational, but the shiny foreigner facing China of yesteryear is nothing like the domestic atmosphere of China today. Their international digital presence is as carefully managed as their local platforms.
The locals I’ve met definitely have a positive view of the US, but things have gotten very dark very quickly under Xi. Think about why they could have started their emigration at any time but are choosing now.
So you’ve been in the last few months since you learned these great things? Or was it before Covid, when people were physically caged into their apartments?
I married a Chinese national and spend a month or two in China every year since.
Look man. You need to fucking stop. You look like an absolute douchebag.
Pretty weird that you were “blown away by China” then… No need to get mad 🤷♀️
My anecdotal experience is different than yours, but everything I’ve said is nothing but facts. China is a country of 1.4 billion people and 3.7 million sq mi, so obviously sentiment will vary. But I based my opinion on what I’ve personally seen and people I’ve talked to across half a dozen cities, so I feel pretty confident in my pessimism.
Pretty weird that you were “blown away by China” then…
You’re clearly under the impression that this is something which has happened recently. And it’s not. Which is really weird because I at no point in time said anything about this being a recent thing. That’s your own bias and you’re making yourself look like a douche because you’re piling up your assumptions with each post…“oh, he must not talk to actual Chinese!” “oh, he must be one of these TikToker’s!” “oh, I bet he’s never even been to China!”
Clearly it’s a wide and diverse country. Your pessimism singularly indicates that you gravitate towards the negative–not that China is in a bad spot, but that you’re only choosing to see the bad…
My wife found XHS (aka RedNote) as well. I did not realize the extent of anti-China propaganda that I had inadvertently bought into, and like you, I was absolutely blown away.
Respectfully you understand that rednote is pro-china propaganda right? Like im not saying china is the absolute worse thing to ever exist but they know how to do propaganda just as well as the US. They have had the same leader in power for years who has been slowly collecting more and more power.
Just because the US is bad doesn’t make china good.
Kick us out, Trump is not in the G7 to do anything but fuck it up. Being a self interested stakeholder is normal but he’s not self interested. He is clearly under Putin’s influence.
Russia Loving Republicans. Trump is a Russian asset. Treat the US government like an enemy.
This just in, the known russian puppet, trump, is a russian puppet.
The problem with the latter two is that Australia will never go against the US in its current state. The people might not approve of it but they are reliant on the US to a greater extent than NATO is.
I love it when you talk dirty
G6 it is then. After NATOTWO is set up
Also maybe EUaC (EU and Canada)? 🥹
NATWO
2 NATO 2 FURIOUS
2 NATOs 1 Cup
Maybe since it’s mostly just the northeast Atlantic now, it should be NEATO.
Canada and Greenland have most of the north covered even without the US, so the name still works.
Southwest from the European pov. SWATO.
