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Among the reciprocal tariff levels Trump announced:
China: 34%
European Union: 20%
South Korea: 25%
India: 26%
Vietnam: 46%
Taiwan: 32%
Japan: 24%
Thailand: 36%
Switzerland: 31%
Indonesia: 32%
Malaysia: 24%
Cambodia: 49%
United Kingdom: 10%
Rest of the world: 10%
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Is he using a random number generator?
The following quote from ChrisO_wiki on bsky
“@chriso-wiki.bsky.social Just figured out where these fake tariff rates come from. They didn’t actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country’s exports to us.” Just about sums it up.
Damn, I’d like to see the data on that.
No, it’s half the tariff those countries place on American goods. Or so he claims. I have no idea where those numbers come from.
He doesn’t understand what VAT is.
He doesn’t understand anything. Here’s what he said about income taxes and tariffs today.
They established the income tax so that citizens, rather than foreign countries, would start paying the money necessary to run our government
That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read.
So far*
Today
That’s probably why you’re not the president.
by the way that was his first presidency too, he did the same thing.
And, for wrecking their business, had to bail the farmers out with the tariff money lol
LOL.
I’m not sure that that’s necessarily wrong. Excise taxes, import duties, etc. have been around for millennia. In the US, the income tax has only been around since the Civil War (which it was created to pay for).
Taxes on citizens have always been used to run the government those citizens live under. Doesn’t matter if it’s base on income or something else.
The only way to make other countries pay for your government to operate is to invade them and steal all of their resources… like Hitler did.
It’s really not worth trying to make sense of anything this guy says. He is the definition of a bullshitter.
Why would someone run a business exporting goods into a country if they couldn’t charge more than the cost of duties, labor, and materials for the goods?
Don’t forget land sales tax which happened a lot after the Louisiana Purchase and the Gold Rush.
It’s probably like his net worth, where “it goes up and down with the markets and with attitudes and with feelings”, “even my own feelings, as to where the world is, where the world is going, and that can change rapidly from day to day”.
https://money.cnn.com/2011/04/21/news/companies/donald_trump/index.htm
Apparently ChatGPT.
Like he would even know what that is.
Ironically crashing the economy is one of the best things you can do to slow down climate change
Wrong.
The best things you can do are invest in green energy and energy storage projects, create polices that cap (and actually punish) carbon emissions, upgrade to more efficient infrastructure… All things that take money, a functional government and a functional economy.
What we learned from COVID, is that crashing the economy does not really slow down climate change, it just hits the pause button for a little bit, and then it resumes at the same or greater speed.
Just a silly joke of course. Gallows humor. In order to combat climate change you’d have to re-design how we live and work and our economic system and reset existing wealth inequalities, re-design and rebuild thousands of industrial processes, and change multiple systems that are in place. For example you’d at least have to:
- Ban advertising to reduce desire/demand for consumption
- Ban patents (at least in the current form) so industrial processes can be re-designed and rebuild without roadblocks
- Nationalize news and social media and turn them into a cooperative under the control of the workers there
- Invest into R&D for circular economy and development and regulation for long lasting appliances and goods that last decades with repair and maintenance
Basically what we learned is that it’s practically impossible for humanity as a global civilization to stop climate change. Most people can’t even bear to think about the steps it would take.
Of course, developing the technology for a sustainable circular economy for the basic needs (food, energy, education, building shelters, communication etc) is still worthwhile.
pause buttons is all its about. emissions wont stop after energy generation is zero-emission. it just will be slower by a chunk (like 60%ish)
people will still breed cows/not turn vegan (up to 75% of total 20%ghg emissions) and mobility will also remain (lets just say by half without derailing too much - so half of total 20%ghg emissions)
Also theres studies on how we are kinda jet lagging in resulted heating and on how recordings of right before pre-industrial era levels also could be different, lower in total and therefore more extreme heating affecting tipping points.
so a pause like that would be great - because all we have left is time and smart people (although kinda marginalized nowadays and I dont really believe in the success of that in short term) we have crossed 1,5° and therefore are in tipping point cascade (which is irreversable) territory.
Sure, but he is just crashing Western economy as Russia is preparing to invade rest of Europe.
Me, checking what the damage is: oh good, my European defence stocks went up 2 to 4 percent today while the American stocks are tanking, happy days!
Me, after thinking on it a bit longer: oh God, my European defence stocks went up while the world economy is taking a hit, better get ready for whatever’s coming
Conveniently left Russia out. I wonder why.
Russia and North Korea.
It’s official. We are the baddies now.
If we can’t buy anythibg from North Korea, what would be tariffed?
I am not.
They are rest of the World. How dissrespectfull.
I think you’re reading too much into that.
They’re either under “Rest of world” like the EU, or the US doesn’t import anything from it, which as it’s under sanctions, it shouldn’t - nor export to.
UK is also 10% like the rest of world. Why was it mentioned seperately? It’s not like Russia is a small country.
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Like the EU?
“our country has been looted, pillaged, raped, plundered”
by other nations selling their goods to us cheaply, and by them accepting our Dollars that cost us nothing to make for it!!
I don’t think Trump understands the benefits and privileges for USA of having the top international reserve currency.
But maybe if he ruins it quick enough, he may find out?Play stupid games and win stupid prices.
Play stupid games and win stupid prices.
He is playing Vlad Putin 8D Chess, not Donald Trump 1D Checkers. https://lemmy.world/post/27627662/16165977 This was all planned in 2013.
Introduction to the Kremlin media techniques of year 2014
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Peter Pomerantsev September 9, 2014: Russia and the Menace of Unreality. How Vladimir Putin is revolutionizing information warfare
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Adam Curtis, BBC, December 31, 2014: On The “Contradictory Vaudeville” Of Post-Modern Politics - “What this film is going to suggest is that that defeatist response has become a central part of a new system of political control. And to understand how this is happening, you have to look to Russia, to a man called Vladislav Surkov, who is a hero of our time. Surkov is one of President Putin’s advisers, and has helped him maintain his power for 15 years, but he has done it in a very new way.”
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Book reading from December 5, 2014 on the subject by Peter Pomerantsev
Own your president Trump. Even if your theory was true, and I won’t qualify it, nothing of this could have been possible without a ruined education system and mindless propaganda. All of this starts way before 2013.
Own your president Trump.
People need to own up to anonymous no-identity social media addiction. The egomania they get chasing junk (drugs) off of Apple iPhone / iPad / Samsung / machine devices. Donald Trump is entirely an Apple iPhone addict in egomania off machine lust, as too is Elon Musk.
nothing of this could have been possible without a ruined education system and mindless propaganda.
Nothing is more mindless than the education people get off of Lemmy memes, Reddit memes, Bluesky memes, Fox News HDTV, Joe Rogan. That’s the education that creates an audience for Donald Trump. Self-centered eoomania, like the Middle East gets with one religion vs. another religion. Fiction addiction problems are raging in USA.
Even if your theory was true
My theory:
“When a population becomes distracted by trivia, when cultural life is redefined as a perpetual round of entertainments, when serious public conversation becomes a form of baby-talk, when, in short, a people become an audience, and their public business a vaudeville act, then a nation finds itself at risk; culture-death is a clear possibility.” ― Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business, 1985 !BackTo1985@lemm.ee
I’d argue it started with Bush and his No Child Left Behind bullshit. It forced a certain curriculum to leave out common sense and critical thinking skills
I’d argue it started with Bush and his No Child Left Behind bullshit. It forced a certain curriculum to leave out common sense and critical thinking skills
Children aren’t the problem. it’s adults who get their constant education off anonymous memes. The year 2007 introduction of the Apple iPhone changed everything about USA society. We had the Fox News Rupert Murdoch problem since 1996, but the shit memes people flock to and “shit postings” addiction are the learning / education / study problem.
Shitpostinh education is very predictable adult education outcome. Cal Sagan predicted in in 1995: “Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding (from 1995) of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time—when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance. As I write, the number-one videocassette rental in America is the movie Dumb and Dumber. “Beavis and Butthead” remain popular (and influential) with young TV viewers. The plain lesson is that study and learning—not just of science, but of anything—are avoidable, even undesirable.” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark, year 1995
It’s like the USA won the Cold War and found themselves with nowhere left to go, exhausted. The state became less relevant by the year as it was intended by their neoliberalism, and greed is always everywhere taking over as many spaces as possible, it’s just its nature. But an ever disappearing government is just a milking cow, why it even exist if it’s been taken by the greedy? In this scenario, instead of being hopeful about its mere existence, because it should be one way for the people to regain power, it is just another way to take more wealth from the people, and an instrument to control them.
My point was that Trump, Trump-Putin, are just a consequence. The USA government showed critical weaknesses and they are being exploited. At the same time, you point it out well, the government found weaknesses of society to exploit. Americans should exploit them too, usually it’s done politically, but both of the American parties are basically the same (I know politically involved individuals do hate this statement, but from outside of the USA it’s very clear); it’s time for the people to regain power, and they will, this tariffs craze is gonna make them have to fight back.
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One of my main rules of life is that people are most suspicious of the behavior they are most likely to perform. Cheaters think they’re being cheated on, thieves think everybody is stealing from them. If HitlerPig thinks everyone else is looting, pillaging, raping, and plundering, its because that what he does.
Buying from other economies does two things. One, you have access to their expertise/efficiency.
Not everyone will have invested in the same industry.
Will miss out on cheap labour. Cheap resources.
Don’t be dumb though, selling us USD for our products isn’t just “printing paper”. We use those USD (mostly we sell the debt to china) to buy USA companies. It’s capitalism after all.
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I literally just corrected someone else about the opposite mistake.
“prizes”*
A lot of people’s lives are about to get more expensive… again.
<butterfly meme> Is this winning?
China and Vietnam are producing a lot of the low cost every day items people use. It’s going to hit the lower income people the hardest. Thank goodness I’m in Canada.
Timu: shop like a billionaire because only billionaires can afford the cheap Chinese garbage.
Shit might hit the fan harder and faster in USA, but don’t be fooled: Canada and every other country in the world will be gravely affected: less trade, prices inflate, some goods become hard to find at all at any price, etc. US $ after all is the big reserve currency and all international trade was de facto protected by US military hegemony. Probably countries like North Korea or Iran will see least influence from all this… It’s insane to watch this happening. Their main goal really just seems to be to create chaos. And from chaos… rises whatever authoritarian state they want to create after declaring some state of emergency shit and after the superwealthy gobbled up all the failing companies at bargain prices. It’s like they’re organising a reenactment of the “shock therapy” that crashed the Russian economy on a speedrun after the soviet union fell apart.
Mainly American people’s lives. He’s basically making everything more expensive in USA that is not made in USA, but most things made in USA are dependent on imported parts, fertilizers, components, raw materials etc… This is going to be a mess to witness
You’re going to get tired of
winningtariffs.It’s winning for magats because they wanted to hurt people
The trump regime was designed to TANK the US economy so that stocks, businesses, and industries can be bought by billionaires at rock bottom prices.
All is going according to plan.
um, yeah. we heard you the first 5 times, why do you keep reposting the same comment over and over?
Putin’s bitch trying to further destabilize the world for daddy.
Pls 100% world wide tax.
I like to go straight to the “Find Out” phase.
👀
(Remember, when the great depression happens, its our duty to eliminate nazis)
shit bruh, we could just start that process now and skip over the bread line bullshit.
With Nazis, it’s always the right time.
Been browsing the conservative subreddit this morning just to see what they all are thinking. There is a surprising number of “This is a terrible idea” comments but its also funny seeing a whole bunch of republicans who now suddenly like higher taxes, inflation and stock crashes.
Did you happen to notice the one country not on the list?
Here I’ll give you a hint it’s name starts with an “R” and is run by a man who’s name starts with a “P” and is currently at war with a country that starts with a “U”…
Wait what?
President Paul Kagame of Rwanda declared war on Uganda?
/s
Nice
I knew I’d get the ol’ switch-a-roo comments. Please enjoy one internet point sir.
😒 , at least like put any effort forth if you’re going to steal a joke and make it shittier.
Sorry, I don’t want to be shitty, but I found his joke much better, because I understood and laughed right away without needing disclaimers, spoiler texts or to click any links, it was direct and to the point.
well the spoiler text really was just because I wanted to talk about Mbaye Diagne and you just have to hover over the links to get the joke. But I get it, different levels of humor appeal to different people. A lot easier to digest when it’s all just spelled out for ya and you don’t have to think any harder about it.
Lol, didn’t even click the links, I kinda assumed it was Russia-Ukraine and just googled “countries that start with R”
lol and I wonder why you had the idea and were inspired to play up the idea of “countries that start with R” after you just read two other comments doing the same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1tsGGz-Qw0
This you? 😁
(But this just an internet comment, ain’t that deep, Mr. Peele 😉)
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Well technically R would fall under the category “rest of the world”, no?
Doesn’t the US already have full sanctions with Russia? So literally no trade is happening with them, so a tarrif would be pointless? Maybe I missed trump removing the sanctions at some point in his onslaught of nonsense.
Trade IS happening with Russia. Only specific companies and industries are sanctioned, everything else is business as usual.
Sounds like I stand corrected.
Penguins trade with the US?
I’m so sick of the bullshit misinformation that gets upvoted on this site. First, you demand tariffs on what equals to roughly 0.8% of our total imports. Second, there is no “war” currently going on between “R” and “U”. Also, I thought the “P” man ended the genocide against “R” citizens by taking power, I’m not a scholar though so link away with whatever truth burger you’re trying to peddle.
spoiler
/s definitely check links and facts before you get upset with words you don’t like lol
Ok but seriously, I gotta give a shout out to Mbaye Diagne. This is a serious bad-ass, I can’t state just how bad his ass really is. Like all the bullshit movies and books of fake and made up narratives and we have this motherfucker who walked the earth.
a Senegalese military officer who served in Rwanda as a United Nations military observer from 1993 to 1994. During the Rwandan genocide, he undertook many missions on his own initiative to save the lives of civilians. Various estimates exist for the number of lives Diagne saved, ranging as high as over 1,000.
After graduating from the University of Dakar, he enrolled in the Senegalese Army’s École Nationale des Officiers d’Active. He completed his schooling the following year and eventually attained the rank of captain. He was given command of the 3rd Company of the 6th Infantry Battalion and fought in the Casamance conflict from 1989 to 1993.
Hutu extremists initiated the Rwandan genocide, targeting members of the Tutsi ethnic minority. They murdered moderate Hutu Prime Minister Agathe Uwilingiyimana, and Diagne rescued her children and secured them safe passage out of the country. He then undertook numerous missions on his own around Kigali in violation of the UN’s rules of engagement, hiding Tutsis in his car and evacuating them to UN installations. He also protected some Hutus and worked to safeguard the Senegalese expatriate community.
Because he had to pass through dozens of checkpoints manned by Interahamwe tasked with killing Tutsis and moderate Hutus, Diagne ferried at most five people on each trip,[10] often taking them to the Hôtel des Mille Collines or Amahoro Stadium, both under UN guard, for safety.[14][10] In order to get past the checkpoints, he relied on his extensive contacts among the military and militias, his ability to defuse tense situations with quick jokes, and occasional bribes of cigarettes, money and—though he was a devout Muslim—alcohol.
In one instance, he stood between an armed Hutu priest and a woman the priest was about to execute, shouting “Why are you killing this woman? You must not do this because if you do the whole world will know,” and eventually convincing the priest to let her live.
Gregory Alex, the head of the UN Humanitarian Assistance Team in Rwanda gave an explanation as to why Diagne was not rebuked: “Here’s someone who stepped out of line and [the general is] not going to discipline him because he’s doing the right thing.”[15] BBC journalist Mark Doyle befriended Diagne and knew of his actions, but omitted mention of him in his news dispatches because he feared that the Rwandan government would learn of his rescues and try to stop him.
That was such a wonderful thing to run into after reading over the history of Rwanda and the Hutu and Tutsi people. Guess even during war and genocidal times you can still look for the helpers.
I see we have a dirty tankie in our midst.
Man is trolling about Rwanda and Uganda
isn’t this just going to fuck up the US economy rather than meaningfully affect any other country? you don’t fucking produce anything worth a shit anymore.
Trump has no idea how the economy works, his wealth is propped up by Russian oligarchs laundering money through his assets.
This move is almost certainly being directed to him through foreign agents the traitor has as advisors (though they consider themselves handlers) on behalf of Putin and other regimes hostile to the US who back door’d their way into the situation through his greed and lack of morality.
Also intentionally crashing the economy to hurt political enemies and cause civil unrest (mass government firings = lots of educated qualified people out of work, also drives down wages of other educated qualified people). Techo-fascist corporate cities and Gilead don’t need a Dow Jones index.
The overabundance doesn’t just vanish. When the poor have less, the wealthy have more. There may be more homeless people fighting over food but the billionaires will be able to get a fleet of yachts.
This is really not true. The wealthy aren’t playing 4D chess with the economy, they are just as short-sighted behind closed doors. The Great Depression fucked a lot of wealthy people up and turned the entire nation against them. It can happen again.
Edit - and for the record, the abundance does vanish in a depression scenario. Factories shut down, productivity collapses. The world will literally extract, refine, process, and build less of everything. You can’t build a fleet of yachts without a functioning economy.
The Great Depression fucked a lot of wealthy people up and turned the entire nation against them. It can happen again.
One might argue it already is happening. Right now. In real time.
Be safe.
Just like how a rising tide raises all boats, a sinking ship takes everyone down with it. The billionaires think being on the life rafts will make them more wealthy compared to those that are sinking.
He is gambling on the fact that Us economy can hold off longer than other countries and they’ll cave
It’s like two people holding their breath bad for both but neither wants to lose
Cave about what though?
Tariffs. Donald wants other countries to have less tariffs on American products
Those numbers on his poster are made up and don’t reflect actual tariffs that exist and can be cut.
Yep, they just took the trade deficit to each country and turned it into a tariff 😆
Most of the kit that is made in US uses parts distributed by other countries… So even domestic sales of US created products are likely to be impacted. Gotta give it to Krasnov, he’s doing a bloody good job at the task he’s been set.
Could you imagine if Biden declared what essentially amounts to a 10% sales tax?
Oh no. We produce stuff. The best weapons for killing people are made here.
I don’t have a ton of “the court is wrong” opinions, but Article 1 section 8 of the Constitution flatly gives Congress the responsibility of regulating trade and imposing tariffs. The President just doesn’t (shouldn’t) have the authority to change rates. The executive needs to execute the will of the Legislative branch.
Congress is pretty much dead. Repubs have lost whatever was the last vertebrae they had in their spine
The default if Congress can’t pass legislation should be that legislation doesn’t happen.
Trump clearly has some feelings about Vietnam. He used his “bone spurs” excuse to avoid being sent over there back in the day. Lmao
What a pussy
