The suspect in the Florida State University shooter, who faces first degree murder charges for killing two and injuring five on Thursday was a member of Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA, a fascist youth group around the Republican Party, and is a registered Republican voter in Florida. The 20-year-old suspect, Phoenix Ikner, is the stepson of Leon County Sheriff’s Office Deputy Jessica Ikner, who has been with the department for 18 years.
It’s always the ones you most suspect.
I notice they didn’t charge him with terrorism and the death penalty.
Because he didn’t hit a Tesla.
When news of the shooting broke I was with my dad who said “the shooter was probably radical Democrat since they are the violent ones”. FoxRot is real and dangerous.
Back in the old days of Fark, I remember there used to be a flowchart of people’s reactions to mass shootings:
- Mass shooting happens
- initial reaction: guy is a terrorist Muslim and we need to bomb some country in the middle east.
- news shows it’s a white guy
- “Oh my…how sad. He must have been really struggling.”
I feel like the right has replaced the second step with whatever out group they are trying to target.
Following the Oklahoma City Bombing, EVERYBODY jumped on the Muslim Terrorist bandwagon, but it didn’t sit right with me. Why would a Muslim bomb a building in OKC? Most Muslims wouldnt even know what Oklahoma is. Why wouldnt they pick a more iconic target? It’s all about making a statement, after all. It just smelled like a homegrown terrorist to me, and those around me derided me for being a “Muslim-lover.”
Then it turned out to be a standard issue American white guy, with blurry motivations beyond being generally pissy about the government for some incomprehensible reason.
Critical Thinking Skills are the most important skills you can learn in life. They keep you from being stupid and falling for propaganda.
Then it turned out to be a standard issue American white guy, with blurry motivations beyond being generally pissy about the government for some incomprehensible reason.
He had a copy of The Turner Diaries and connection to a cult compound called Elohim City which is operating to this day in Oklahoma. He clearly viewed himself as part of some sort of Aryan resistance movement. (Don’t forget the involvement of Nichols - who got the death penalty as well - and the Fourier couple, who our tax dollars put into witness protection to insure that no one would face any consequences.)
There’s more than a few in OKCPD who were sympathetic to his cause. Unfortunately, Terrence Yeakey was so disturbed by whatever was on the missing VHS tape that he slit his wrists and shot himself from behind…
He was also specifically pissed about Waco and Ruby Ridge. Tucker Carlson has been suggesting that people go Ruby Ridge themselves of late…
Critical Thinking Skills are the most important skills you can learn in life. They keep you from being stupid and falling for propaganda.
And that’s why we don’t teach it here in Bangbangshootyland.
Wow, i haven’t heard anyone mention Fark in ages! I spent a lot of time there before Digg…
You guys wanna hang out on there.com later? It’s trivia night!
Good ol’ Fark. That and Fazed were my go-to websites back in university.
Magats are lost causes and they’ll never be functioning members of society in any meaningful way again. They are class traitors who want to watch the world burn
No terrorism charge? That’s crazy. /s
Turning Point USA a designated terrorist group? Yes please.
The terrorism charge only takes place when the victims exceed a certain income level.
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It’s not a prerequisite for the first degree murder charges in Florida like it is in New York State, but I still think his actions qualify based on the state laws. Maybe we’ll hear more about what all he is or is not charged with when his court dates are announced, as was the case with Mangione.
2024 Florida Statutes Title XLVI - Crimes Chapter 775 - General Penalties; Registration of Criminals 775.30 - Terrorism; Defined; Penalties. 775.30 Terrorism; defined; penalties.— (1) As used in this chapter and the Florida Criminal Code, the terms “terrorism” or “terrorist activity” mean an activity that: (a) Involves: 1. A violent act or an act dangerous to human life which is a violation of the criminal laws of this state or of the United States; or 2. A violation of s. 815.06; and (b) Is intended to: 1. Intimidate, injure, or coerce a civilian population; 2. Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or 3. Affect the conduct of government through destruction of property, assassination, murder, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy. (2) A person who violates s. 782.04(1)(a)1. or (2), s. 782.065, s. 782.07(1), s. 782.09, s. 784.045, s. 784.07, s. 787.01, s. 787.02, s. 787.07, s. 790.115, s. 790.15, s. 790.16, s. 790.161, s. 790.1615, s. 790.162, s. 790.166, s. 790.19, s. 806.01, s. 806.031, s. 806.111, s. 815.06, s. 815.061, s. 859.01, or s. 876.34, in furtherance of intimidating or coercing the policy of a government, or in furtherance of affecting the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, commits the crime of terrorism, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. (3) A person who commits a violation of subsection (2) which results in death or serious bodily injury commits a life felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this subsection, the term “serious bodily injury” means an injury to a person which creates a substantial risk of death, serious personal disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member or an organ. History.—s. 1, ch. 2001-356; s. 5, ch. 2001-365; s. 1, ch. 2001-366; s. 1, ch. 2017-37; s. 112, ch. 2019-167.These school shootings often lack (but not always) the needed intent in B.
I don’t think it’s hard to make a case for that in the CEO shooting.
That’s fair but the text being OR and not AND means it is vague enough that you could apply it to punching two people as it is “a violent act” which “is intended to” “injure”.
That’s not how I read it personally.
You need to
Intimidate, injure, or coerce a civilian population;
AND
Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
OR
Affect the conduct of government through destruction of property, assassination, murder, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy.
Notice how the influence part has a very explicit or on the end of it, but the intimidate doesn’t
If all you had to do was injure someone, and not be trying to influence or alter the conduct of the government through the action, it turns nearly everything violent thing into terrorism.
When you type a list
thing 1, thing 2, or thing 3
It doesn’t imply thing 1 AND 2 or 3.
Why does 2 have that explicit OR then?
Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
Because this is a list
It’s a white thing.
Reality not just shooters:
Fascist deeply embedded in police community? That’s every cop.
Can shit be deeply embedded in shit?
Never heard of fecal impaction?
^ this
This one of the home grown terrorists I hear about? Or does this not qualify?
/s just in case
He doesn’t qualify, he is one of the good ones.
I’m sure Matt Gaetz will give him a job once he’s fully exonerated.
A “job.”
He was at the center of a custody battle since he was a toddler, with his father alleging his mother neglected and abused him.
Kind of have to wonder which parent was actually abusing or neglecting the kid, seeing as all this happened under his father’s roof.
TBH that sucks for the kid.
Yup. Kids always pay the price for their parent’s fuck-ups.
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Is he short?
He looks rather short.
I wonder if that got to him. Seems to be a weirdly touchy thing to some.
Just another antisocial, fantasist incel loser who gravitated towards extremism. This asshole can now enjoy prison for the rest of his life.
Or a pardon. Conservatives get those.
Maybe a cabinet position. I hear Secretary of Defense might be open soon.
Great idea!
Some conservatives get those.
Mass shooters don’t tend to get that treatment.
It’s the bridge too far scenario. If this little shit head had joined the police department and then shot a bunch of people, the right would cheer, because that’s how things work in their mind.
But becoming a rouge element and shooting random people… No that’s just murder.
I’m sure there’s a better way to phrase it, but I’m at the tail.end of a nasty cold and can’t think straight.
Right wing, insecure short dudes who don’t know how to talk to girls are some of the absolute worst people on the planet.
Meanwhile I knew a guy around the size of Warwick Davis who had to stay in a wheelchair, or at least used a cane and other mobility aids when he was at home. Outgoing, great sense of humor. Threw great parties. Got cute goth babes like, every other week. Just the nicest dude you ever met.
The difference is accepting who and what you are and learning to love it and trying to find something worth enjoying in life.
Self love leads to love of others.
Wanting it bad is also so unattractive. My heart is happier hearing about a Warwick Davis dude fucking goth cuties.
His dick is, for sure.
The mom is still with the sheriff office after her kid used her issued weapon to murder people? That seems like an immediate resignation type of event, with potential for criminal negligence charges down the road.
Cops are so fucking careless with guns it’s unbelievable. Any time you hear of an accidental discharge, it was the cops negligence and they’re lying about it because Glocks do not misfire without user error
They leave them unattended in public bathrooms so often that my hospital has a protocol for what to do if we find one
jfc, I’ve heard about them doing that but I didn’t realize it was that bad. Fucking morons
LEO are involved in hundreds of accidental discharges a year, they also shoot themselves and other officers on accident dozens of times per year. Unfortunately exact numbers are very difficult to get because cops always fight having their actions tracked in national registries.
I’ve also thought it’s hilarious how cops seem to love glocks. The “dual trigger” safety mechanism is shit. It can get caught easily on your holster, waist band, or one of the 20 fucking things on your belt and cause an AD. Oh yeah, if you have shitty trigger discipline like most cops,then you’ll probably have an AD too.
Springfield makes a much better, safer pistol, IMO
*negligent discharge
Exactly. Still user errors, not the Glock
Sorry, mate, I’m a Glock fan boy. Love mine and never had a misfire or snag. I don’t doubt how good Springfields are though, I have been wanting to try one out. They look really snazzy too
I’m from Tallahassee and small correction. It was her former service weapon that she purchased from the department after it was decommissioned. It was her personal firearm.
Well, perhaps, but you neglected to include the Florida clause.
I thought I’d read in a previous article that the mom went to prison for kidnapping him a few years ago and taking him out of the country in violation of their custody agreement. If I’m recalling this correctly, it’s insane that he can still work as a deputy, but I know how Florida loves their cops.
This is misinformation, and I know it’s not intentional.
His biological mother did kidnap him. The Leon County Sherriffs deputy is his step-mom that has functionally raised him since he was very young.
I heard it was her service weapon which she then purchased as a personal weapon?
… but I repeat myself.
Ikner cited this “tragic event” in 2015 when he went to court to change his name from Christian Gunnar Eriksen.
Changing your name is so woke!
Ironically, if he wasn’t able to vote before due to the name change he definitely can’t now
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Why did they say “fascist” twice?
To cover both sides of his face.
