Luigi Mangione is accused of stalking United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson and shooting him to death on Dec. 4, 2024.

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    Solidarity aside, whenever you are arraigned, any lawyer worth their salt will advise you to plead not guilty, because entering a guilty plea means it’s over, move on to sentencing, where you have no leverage at all.

    You can always change a not guilty plea to a guilty plea later, if a plea deal offered by the prosecution is acceptable to you. This is especially relevant in a case where the death penalty is on the table, but also applies to the possibility of reduced charges or penalties in any case.

    I’ll also add that this case could well end up with an Alford plea. In short, where the defendant asserts innocence, does not admit to the criminal act, but accepts the sentence because they believe that a jury would find them guilty based on the evidence. Again, this is definitely related to a case where the death penalty is on the table.

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      Because of this fact a lot of courts will just automatically enter a not guilty plea during your first appearance now.

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    Free this man. The wealthy psychopaths need something to be fearful of as it’s the only emotional trigger that will keep their behavior from genociding the poor.

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          We haven’t reached the mass violence stage yet, but it is coming. Luigi is the first, and will be the inspiration for others. His trial will be a bigger circus than the OJ trial, and protests are likely to get violent.

          HitlerPig is also likely to suspend the 2026 midterm election, which will cause a lot of violence.

          There are a LOT of Luigis under the surface, waiting for the Tipping Point to happen.

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      The only thing that prevents the working class’ genocide is that the military isn’t fully automated yet.

      Soon.

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    Who’s that guy? Doesn’t look like the guy they were searching for. At all.

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    That kid didn’t do it. They are railroading him too hard and committing too many procedural violations for it to be anything but a setup.

    Any normal case a judge would throw everything out for how prejudicial the state has behaved.

    The face they don’t care how blatantly prejudicial they are shows they don’t care if he did it or not.

    He didn’t do it.

    The CEOs wife had hmm killed for meeting his side piece there.

    The assassin was from El Salvador or something.

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      All the photos look exactly like him tho… I mean is there is substantial evidence he didn’t do it? I fully support him, but I think it’s a stretch to say he was framed and the photos look nothing alike

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        Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt

        The misuse of evidence and the lead detective and mayor sharing evidence his lawyer hasn’t seen in a media campaign to impugn the man.

        There’s reasonable doubt in their earnest attempt at seeking justice here. They seem hellbent on violating his constitutional rights.

        I doubt they have the right guy. Reasonably

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          Could those photos be ai generated?

          The only way we can be reasonably sure they are not is if we believe the prosecution is honoring their commitment to the constitution and acting in good faith.

          I do not believe they are acting in good faith.

          This means I have reasonable doubt on their entire effort.

          Justice is dead.

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        There shouldn’t need to be evidence of his innocence, there should need to be an overwhelming amount of evidence proving he’s guilty. That’s part of the foundation for justice that courts are meant to uphold.

        Edit: mistype for spelling

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        Are any of the photos from the crime scene?

        Because if you find a guy who matches “photo of guy getting coffee”, you still don’t have evidence that he’s a killer. You have evidence that he got some coffee.

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        I think most of the people are pretty sure he did it. It’s just that the “it wasn’t him” defense is popular amongst the people that think vigilante justice should allow for legalized murder.

        If he actually did it, he should rot in jail like any other murderer. If it can be proven that he didn’t, he didn’t he should walk free. That’s how it should be. That is how civilized people work.

        And the people that think he should walk even if he did kill a man- just because of who that man is, they have become the very thing they hate.

        If only they would take a moment to understand this.

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          If he actually did it, he should rot in jail like any other murderer. If it can be proven that he didn’t, he didn’t he should walk free. That’s how it should be. That is how civilized people work.

          I think you got it a little mixed up. The state needs to have it proven that he did in fact commit that murder, and not leave any doubt about it. It’s really not his job to prove anything, let alone that you can’t prove innocence in a lot of cases.

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            Either way it doesn’t matter. The point is- if it is proven that he did it, he should rot. If it is found that he didn’t, he should walk.

            That’s how a justice system is supposed to work.

            We don’t decide who’s guilty or not based on how we feel about the victim.

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              If the state can prove that he undoubtedly did it, he should be punished.

              If the state’s case is weak enough to leave some lingering doubts, he should walk.

              The defense doesn’t have to prove anything. Their job is to cast doubt on whatever the state claims.

              That’s how our justice system works.

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                Either way it doesn’t matter. If he did it, he should rot. If he didn’t- He should walk.

                Why is this difficult for you to understand.

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              By your very own argument, you are highlighting the important part that you are missing. What if the justice system finds out it doesn’t know. Justice is not boolean.

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                IF HE DID IT, HE SHOULD ROT. IF HE DIDN’T, HE SHOULD WALK.

                Does every concept of every idea need to be explained around here? It’s a given in the above statement that if he can’t be found guilty- he should walk. Why does this need to be argued?

                My fucking god people need everything spelled out around here. For fuck’s sake.

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    Luigi is a hero. But not because he killed a CEO, or anyone. Because he was framed by the government, dragged through the mud, humiliated publicly, and held his head high standing 10 feet tall. Not guilty plea is nothing less than I expected. We should all take note of his example. They can’t beat us all if we resist.

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    Good, honestly we don’t even know if he’s the person who did the crime.

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    Federal prosecutors claimed in their new filing that Mangione deserves the death penalty because of “the impact of the victim’s death upon his family, friends and co-workers” and because “he expressed intent to target an entire industry and rally political and social opposition to that industry, by engaging in an act of lethal violence.”

    I just want to remind everyone of the impact of many of Thompson’s murders on their family, friend, and co-workers, all in the service of the money masters’ sheer, unadulterated, insatiable greed.

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      Also we literally only know his thoughts on the matter because they released excerpts of his journal. If he was trying to rally political and social opposition, you’d think he would have published a manifesto himself.

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      funny how none of thompsons family or friends came out supporting him? the estranged wife who is probably elated to not fight in divorce court, or Mr andrew witty dint even bat an eye he died.