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    1 year ago

    For everyone just tuning in: This show is notorious for having bad season finales.

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            Behind the Bastards has an episode about Jim Caviezel, and in it they discussed several anonymous and one non anonymous retelling of working with the man. If the allegations are to be believed, he kept being worse and worse not understanding his characters motivations, and they had to adjust some stuff to stop him ruining the show. They mention him doing stuff like actually harming other actors/stunt doubles if he was doing action scenes, a desire to just kill and shoot up enemies, and being really bad later on about following the script.

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              1 year ago

              I loved that show, had no idea of anything about the actor behind John Reese. Just read some articles and he sounds like a right nutter.

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            As someone who viewed Person of Interest down to the last episode, this was a series that started strong, followed with a solid 2nd season and at this point it was like watching two series at once, one taking in consideration the roots of the story, the other written by a teenager fan group, wanting to turn up the dial for more intrigue.

            The way it ended was a coup de grace, more than anything.

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            Having not finished any of these shows I’m unsure of if the format is telling me they have good endings or not. I’m guessing not but I heard Fringe and POI are great.

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    Honest at this point I wouldn’t even blink if Prigozhin popped up in the future to tell us they faked their deaths.

    To be clear, I believe that he’s dead (and that it was probably an assassination by Putin), but so many other outrageous things have happened already little surprises me.

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      That’s the first thing I thought when I heard about his death. He should have known that Putin would likely want him dead, so pretending to board a plane that gets shot down is a pretty good way to fake your death. Does he use his fake death to plot revenge or to escape, never to be heard from again?

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      I’d hoped he piloted a Kamikaze plane into Putin’s card fortress so both of them could go to hell to meet Hitler whom they admired so much

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      At this point it’s such a clown show that I wouldn’t be surprised by much.

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    Here we go again.

    It will end not differently than last time.

    When they had their leader, they might have had a chance to taking down Putin. Maybe. Slim chance, but a chance. Now they are fucked.

    Still would be nice to put a hurt on the Russian military.

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        Not necessarily, because (I suspect) less soldiers Putin have more he would be willing to press that red button.

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          We can’t change that regardless and can’t forever cower under every threat Putin makes. Unless we just want to make him dictator of the world.

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          Putin’s unwillingness to push the red button is due to it resulting on every single nation in the World including China turning against him and Russia if he did do that (because if the first nation to use nukes offensivelly isn’t examplarily punished for it, every nation in the World will rush to become nuclear capable - if only for self defense - which funilly enough flattens the capability of the giants such as China to push the little ones around hence even if only because of that they’re against it) and likely Russia, he himself and his family ending up nuked sooner or later.

          If there is one thing the Invasion of Ukraine has taught us is that if he thinks get away with it and end up better from doing it, no matter how evil. Putin will do it or have somebody do it for him.

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            Does Putin seem reasonable to you? I think it’s pretty possible that he will be willing to take the whole world to the grave with him.

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              Absolutelly - so far he seems to be rational.

              Not necessarily wise, certainly not morally upright (quite the opposite), but yeah, absolutelly rational.

              He started a war to conquer territory and resources, likely based on certain expectations of capability of the Russian Military which were far from realistic as well as expectations on the Ukranian Military and Society which were also far fromrealistic. He went for a decapitation attack expecting Zelenskyy to be killed, captured or flee but none of that happenned and thus the “easy way” failed. From there onwards, as a dictator who has anchored his authority on an image of “strong man”, we couldnt simply back down so everything that has been happenning since has been him trying to ideally gain something out of a bad situation or at least not to lose face.

              All pretty rational. Not exactly strategically intelligent but certainly rational.

              As for the use of nukes, notice how the ever increasing talk about using it from the russian authorities maybe a year ago suddenly stopped (except for fringe types and well known powerless russian muppets) when China made it very clear they would have to do something about it if Russia used those…

              Even a strategically inept but rational actor can’t miss the implications of China turning against Russia.

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                In hindsight, all he had to do was setup an assination squad before mobilizing troops in 2022. Had he killed Zelensky before the real fighting happened I think the country would have been very demoralized and it would have been much harder for them to get aid with a new leader, even if it wasn’t a Russian plant.

                And the more gains that they would have made earlier on, the less likely the West would have been to send aid, less it fall into the hands of Russia or some new corrupt politician.

                Without the aid, Russia would have already won by now.

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                  Apparently he did try it, several times, after the invasion started.

                  I suspect that in Putin’s mind, before Zelenskyy revealled himself as a real leader (“I don’t need a lift, I need ammo”), he was nothing more than a week “western-style politician” and comediant who would easilly fold.

                  It’s very easy with hindsight to say he should’ve tried to take him out beforehand but at the time he (or, lets be honest, any of us, even the US President) really didn’t know Zelenskyy’s character: for all he knew back then, killing Zelenskyy might’ve just be taking out a weaker man and end up with a stronger man leading the Ukranian Government only by then Putin’s hand would’ve been revealed.

                  Sure, it makes sense now, but back then knowing what he knew then, for Putin it clearly did not.

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                  He wanted territory, mineral resources and even human resources (lots of industrial production in the territories Russia took) and expected the mighty Russian Army would crush the Ukranian Army (just like when they took Crimea) and the rest of the World wouldn’t do much more than bitching & moaning (again, just like when Russia took Crimea). Apparently he was even expecting his men would be welcomed by the ukranians with open arms (remember how the head of Russian Intelligence was fire not long after the war started because of that?!) and that the rest of Europe could be controlled via Economic Pressure because of its dependency on Russian Gas.

                  It makes all sense that having overestimated the Russian Army and underestimated the Ukranian people and its Army as well as the will of the West to genuinelly help Ukraine (and looking at all the pussyfooting around providing modern jets and long range missiles to Ukraines, I would say that at least partially that’s true), it looked like a good idea to begin with.

                  Once commited, given the style of leader he portrays himself as and the overreliance on nationalism to control the russian people, he was stuck with the Ukranians pushing back with western help and unwilling to give up and being politically unable to just conced the War as that would be almost literaly putting his neck on the block.

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    My Russian friend pointed out to me that Prigozhin was actually on his way to see Putin when he got shot down.

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        Yeah that part makes no sense, how dumb do you have to be to put the two main leaders in the same fucking plane flying near the capital

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            Recent? I was watching a video about the USSR losing a whole bunch of their top generals because the idiots went on the same plane to some meeting. They used this little trip for some personal shopping. They bought a lot much stuff and it was improperly secured in the aircraft so it shifted during takeoff dooming them all.

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          Who knows what Putin told them to get them to visit him? “All is forgiven & I want you to run the ministry of defense”.

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    As long as they’re not killing Ukrainians, then I guess yeah, go do whatever…

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    This is a greater overall danger than many of you seem to realize. Their leader was a face and figurehead, the real power of Wagner mercenaries lies with the lieutenants. Without him, they are likely to splinter and become more brutal. Some are likely to be hired by the anti-Putin oligarchs, while others may align with Putin. This may result in Russia having to pull out of Ukraine, but that’s not the end of this. Even if Putin is slammed out of power, that just results in an internal power struggle with deadly consequences. Those will not stay inside their borders.

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          There only needs to be 1 functional one for it to kill thousands or even millions

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            It takes a lot to launch a nuke and land it accurately. I’m guessing Russia lost that ability years ago and they know it hence the sable rattling.

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              I don’t know though my instinct says you’re overstating the complexity. Doesn’t really need to “land accurately” so much as detonate above any target population. Could just even be conventional ordinance with a nuclear payload.

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                I know it’s not simple. Many things need to work in a certain way so they need to be maintained. Batteries must be replaced, systems must be tested frequently and security is very high. This is all expensive and knowing how cheap Russia is and lax their maintenance is, I’m betting many components were stolen which makes a success lunch much less likely.

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                One has nothing to do with each other though did you hear they just lost their Moon lander?

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                Soyuz rockets do not sit in a stockpile for 40 years without maintenance before being launched.

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      All true, but it does not depend on this specific group of folks or the inciting incident of their leader’s death. Violent internal power struggle spilling across borders is practically guaranteed no matter who the actors are. Even if Putin lives a long life and dies of natural causes, that’s coming.

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    The less wagnerites operating on Ukrainian soil the better. The less wagnerites helping illegal migrants to cross Polish-Belarusian border the better. The less wagnerites the better.

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      Fuck wagner but also fuck the polish border guards for murdering migrants.

      I dont give a fuck if they’re considered “legal” or not - they deserve to be treated like refugees not like a political pawn for both sides.

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          Just because they aren’t “hunting them down” doesn’t mean they aren’t responsible for their deaths. They have killed them by way of pushbacks, keeping them in the cold and stopping volunteers from helping them. Hundreds have died and have not been recorded while they wash their hands of this abuse.

          Poland’s government is extremely racist and xenophobic and used the migrants as an easy way to rile up its supporters, while portraining them as “lukashenka’s hordes”.

          Just because something doesn’t ally with NATO narrative doesn’t mean it’s disinformation.

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            Where is the data supporting your comment “hundred have died”? Open to read more about this.

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              Like I said, these deaths are not being recorded. Do you know what a pushback is? It’s by definition illegal, so there won’t be any records. Also the deaths happen on the belarussian side of the border, which is even worse with keeping track of anything.

              The whole polish side of border has been cordoned off by the army for over two years now, they harass and stop journalists and volunteers from accessing the border. There will never be any data.

              Link

              EDIT: so many downvotes. Either people don’t want to hear the truth or its NAFO brigading again.

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        Exactly. Poland itself is pretty damn far-right, and while they might be helping Ukraine and Ukrainians, this doesn’t mean their government is not borderline fascist. Someone else below (@TimeNaan@lemmy.world) provided this link documenting some severe human rights abuses against lots of migrants (some of these are also from the Belarus side too, it’s not just Poland).

        Any situation in which a state denies access to people watching for such abuses - like this - is one that sends immediate and severe warning signs to me. Combined with the other stuff going on around LGBT+ free zones, well, it’s worrying imo >.<

        Some of this stuff is even worse than what I’ve heard of the US/Mexico border, though it’s all pretty horrific.

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          Thank you. It’s nice to see someone who can see through the bias. Human rights are for everyone, not just EU residents.

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        I don’t give a fuck about your considerations either. Our border our rules. Also lol’d at “killing”. If anyone died there it was because of their own stupidity of trying to cross it from Belarus which isn’t a war torn country but they didn’t want safety but rather monies from western Europe.

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      It actually did. They only stopped because he made a deal with Putin. They covered hundreds of kilometers in hours.

      That IS successful to that point. They were just so f*cking stupid, they thought Putin wouldn’t kill them anyways for the betrayal… If he had even 1/6th of a functional brain, he should’ve realized the MOMENT he abandoned his orders in Ukraine, it was him or Putin.