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Some of the comments here have to be astroturfing. I can’t believe that real people would rather be in an office with colleagues than have more time for friends and family.
This just in, Lemmy shocked that people have varying opinions
I’m currently 100% remote, and to be honest I do sometimes miss having coworkers to shoot the shit with, and there absolutely are practical drawbacks to being remote – especially if you are the one remote worker on a team that is at least partially in office together. At least for me the benefits of being home all the time do outweigh that, on balance, but I’d be lying if I told you that I felt that I was as well-integrated with the rest of my teams as I could be, or that being just a voice and/or face in a video call doesn’t have some amount of impact on my long-term prospects.
That said, I really only miss a small handful of my in-office coworkers, and we still do make a point of grabbing lunch every month or three. The rest of the in-office experience can stuff it.
Ideally work would have friendly interactions.
I agree that WFH is far more efficient and a better situation for most office-based workers, but I wouldn’t call going “multiple days without speaking to another human being” an upside. My issue with office work is I have to get up early and get myself ready and fight through traffic, not that I have to interact with other people even if I don’t like some of them.
I think that’s a regressive point of view. I’m skeptical of anyone with a platform that pushes it, and somewhat repulsed by the normal people that repeat it. Naturally, I think. You don’t like people? Well, I’m a people… You’re a people too. All of us are people. Good people, whatever your idea of a bad person is, we all are people and we people are social creatures.
In a healthy society we should want to be around other people and, in fact, as a group we become more accepting of individual differences by encountering and interacting with numerous and diverse groups of people and accepting them into our norm, seeing first-hand that we are all just normal people going through life and striving for what we believe is good. We people add so much more than we threaten, we are capable of great and profound things when we work together to achieve them.
It’s not normal to turn your nose up at that and I hate that it is being normalized.
I really don’t get the “WFH = antisocial” angle. I have friends, I have a partner, I leave the house and go to social places. I don’t rely on my workplace to provide for my social needs.
Before working from home I ran a small factory where much of the time I was the only person on the premises. I didn’t have the time or energy to do much socialising when I worked there. My social life became richer when I stopped and worked from my dining room!
Did we read the same post? The one I read said it was good to not interact with another human being for days on end.
Thanks for letting me know your anecdotal experience though. Mine does not at all look like that but it sure sounds nice. congratulations I guess?
We did, however you, unlike me, managed to retain the wording of it.
That’s what I get for replying to stuff during a work meeting!
Some people believe “Hell is other people”.
Others believe “Hell is lack of other people”.
The assumption here is that they have friends and family they want to interact with. It’s lonely when you have no one and working in the office means that you get to socialize and have the potential to do things after work because you’re already dressed/out.
Especially lemmy users of all people
I work at home Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. In the office Tuesday and Thursday and this works for me, as if I go all week at home my mood plummets, seems I like some human contact in the week.
At weekends I see friends and family.
My experience has been similar. I work in the office 1-2 days a week and it’s just the right amount for me. More than that, I start getting frustrated with the commute. Less than that, my mood plummets very quickly.
Hybrid working has been the best for me.
Exactly the same for me really. My commute is a 1 hour 45 minute drive each way. These days I go climbing through as it’s 20 miles from home but in the way back from work.
I had car trouble for 14 months and my commute was closer to 3 hours on the tram, train, and a 20 minute walk before the tram and after the train.
Not to mention being in the thick of office politics.
I’m currently 100% remote, and to be honest I do sometimes miss having to spend 2-3 hours of my day getting ready/up early and going to work, spending the extra gas money, being late. Cause if we don’t go to the office, WHO WILL FUND ALL THESE CORPORATE LOANS? /s
Stop uisng creditcards (if you even still use them) and stop buying from mega corps, that will have a way bigger impact than you going to work. Heck generally staff working from home is cheaper if the production is the same.
Also, you can walk bike or take the public transport to work unless you live in a corrupted hellscape.
As much as people act like they don’t need contact with other humans, it has been shown to be absolutely necessary for mental health and brain health.
Yeah, but you can get that outside of an office with people you actually enjoy being with.
That is not what I am saying, what I am referencing is her saying you can go days without human contact. Implying she doesn’t hangout with anyone.
That was two days ago. Let it go. Nobody cares anymore.
Speak for yourself. It highly depends on what people you are talking to and the quality of those relationships. IDGAF about anybody at work and could go my entire life without speaking to them again.
I thought the same but over the years my perspective has changed. It’s not actually healthy to think like that about people you spend a third of your time with
I’m civil at work but once I leave the job odds are I will never speak to those people again. Coworkers are not friends, for the most part. There’s maybe a handful of people from previous jobs that I still talk to.
Basically same.
I get that science shows that most people need a certain baseline level of socialization to be happy and mentally well.
… but I think that assumes said interaction is … casual or friendly, in a third place, or with someone you trust, and doesn’t require or involve a monetary cost or gain as part of the interaction.
Thats getting to be near impossible to do on a regular basis in the US, certainly in person, even online or via phone as well.
Myself?
Autistic with CPTSD from being surrounded by narcissist hypocrite, various kinds of mentally unstable people my whole life, now finally far away from them.
Lemmy is about all the socializing I need, and I am so, so less stressed and baseline happy now that I no longer need to solve idiots problems for them, be constantly infantilized by people who are objectively less emotionally stable, worse at managing money, and usually less informed/intelligent than me.
Exactly, which is why I appreciate wfh so much, because the reduced commute time means I’ve had more time to establish a healthy long term social life which will last beyond my current contract. I also appreciate the extra time I get to spend with my loved ones, which, as you rightly point out, is very important for mental health. Mandatory return to office ruins all of this, and taking into consideration what you said, should really be considered a threat to public health and wellbeing.
I do agree with you that work from home is nice. I am not commenting on that what I am commenting on is that according to her the best bit is total social isolation. Because the way she wrote the tweet implies she stays at home alone with no contact to the outside world.
While that’s true, it doesn’t need to be 40 hours a week of co-workers. You can fill some of that with family and friends.
I speak to another human daily when I go get some bread at the corner.
In one of his Sherlock Holmes stories, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle makes a reference to the effect of being alone on someone like Newton versus someone like Beau Brummel. Unfortunately, it seems there are too few Newtons and too many Brummels in the world.
Yes, downsides like drinking better coffee and doing laundry and other chores during the lull of the day.
Good coffee is a major perk. Work from home haters always bring up how important it is to socialise during “coffee breaks” but how enjoyable is it to drink that burnt ass-taste budget watery joe while repeating “nice weather” to random people?
Precisely.
Don’t worry, you’ll be spending plenty of time talking to humans through countless pointless meetings. Sure, it won’t be physically face-to-face, but it often isn’t physically face-to-face even when you have to go to the office anyway.
This meeting could have been not a meeting.
The only times I didn’t loathe office time was when I had zero time commitment to be actually in the office.
Go in, get keys, go into field for 7.5-9 hours, return, drop off keys, head home.
Sometimes I would leave or return early and discuss matters with coworkers in passing. But anything important was done by e-mail so it didn’t matter.
When my butt in a cubicle seat became the only metric (and a synonym for) working, it was awful.
For me, over the years having no connection with anyone at work has actually been detrimental and led me to seek an in office job.
It wasn’t the only factor but it was definitely one of them. Humans are social creatures at the end of the day.
Hey friend, I get you. People don’t need to agree with you, but I think it’s wild the number of downvotes you receive for simply stating your own personal desires.
I work at a job where I’m not expected to be in the office. But we still go, based on personal preferences. There are some people who never go, and that’s totally accepted. And others, who prefer the separation of work and home, and being around people, and that’s okay too.
To me, our current arrangements of hybrid work, as you feel, is fantastic. (Working way more than we need to, just to feed the owner classes notwithstanding)
I don’t need work to be social. Sounds like a skill issue to me.
You don’t necessarily need it, but if you have a full time job that’s roughly a third of your time. Having a third of your time without social interaction causes you to need an extremely robust social life outside of work to make up for it, throwing things off balance.
I don’t think it has much to do with skill, I just wanted more balance in my life
clown shit lol get a damn social hobby outside of work
I think work from home should be the norm and people who oppose it are just your managers who don’t want to be obsolete, but I worked from home for 4 years from 2008-2012, before it was more common, and I basically drove myself crazy with loneliness and feeling out of the loop. This was partially due to bad circumstances personally, but after a few months of just your pyjamas you start to feel really sloppy and desperate.
I should add this was long before Zoom or any video meetings so that didn’t help.
It’s not for everyone, and I know what you’re saying but “feeling sloppy and desperate” is certainly not a universal experience. As a single anecdotal example, I’ve been working from home for over 5 years now and personally feel like I get a lot more pros than cons from it. Sure, I’m lazier with my personal hygiene and don’t bother to dress up (during the working day when it’s only me who can smell me), but I still go outside and go to events and talk to people outside of work, I just have more energy left to do that in my evenings and weekends now 🤷
I am not against working from home I just prefer working with my colleagues in the office
While moving into my current house, my family spent a lot of time at the old house prepping things while I maintained occupancy of the new house, so of course I was here alone most of the time. I do work from home. I specifically chose this house because, among other reasons, there are no neighbors near enough to encounter by accident. I don’t really go anywhere on a regular basis. As a result, most days the first time I spoke was at my morning meeting; on many occasions it was the last, too. Even better, I was having sinus issues, so until I opened my mouth I was never sure my voice would be there, let alone how it would sound. (Once or twice I did say a few test words to myself to make sure I could be heard.)
There are a lot of things I miss about those times, but I’m much happier now with my family here. I remember that, when we all came up together to buy the house, my kid had left a little rubber dinosaur on the back of one of the toilets, so I saw it every time I used the facilities. It was the first time I’d spent any significant amount of time away from my kid since they’d been born and I was stunned by how much emotion such a simple reminder of their existence elicited.
I still don’t really talk to anyone else, though.
being able to stay with family and friends is such a blessing
yes…? of course there are downsides
Only done about 8 days in the office in my life as I didn’t work in an office role until after the lockdowns started. Not in any rush to do any more tbh, the commute is expensive and takes ages just to get less work done than I would at home and I can’t even do anything interesting in my unpaid lunch break as I am still at the office.
At least in my last non office role lunch break was paid time still so I usually just took as long as it took to eat something and then got back on with what ever I was doing. Although there was also more job satisfaction there as customers were normal people rather than faceless corporations.
Used to WFH and to be honest I missed the office at the time. Every now and then I’d show up in the office and get zero work done because I’d catch up with everyone lol
It’s nice to have the option for both. Sometimes the slog of driving there is too much.
All but a handful of ours want to never set foot in the office. Most prefer 1-2 days in, a few would rather 3-4.
When we’re in, it’s a LOT of socializing. We’re far more efficient at home. When it all started, we were trying to find ways to get people to want to come in, now we’re just trying to make sure we’re in there enough to “justify” keeping the office space. (our office is pretty swank)
If I could do this minus the working part, that would be greeeeaaaaat
Apparently someone is offended that I am coerced into providing my labor rather than doing so freely, and that I would rather just have that time to myself to do with as I please
