If your post would end up like that in a day, please just refrain from posting it, in any community, or use a throwaway. It is very destructive, especially since all and every comment also becomes unreachable with it.
Sincerely,
With all due respect,
Your Lemmy neighbor
I’m fed up with this shit, and I know it well that it’s not just me.
Do not bomb your communities, please.
I promise, I’ll end up setting up a public instance that does not obey any deletions because of these madlads. Seriously, where is pushshift for lemmy?
Sure but then I get someone making an unnecessarily critical and destructive comment and my post turns to shit and nobody participates anymore because they’re too fixated on the comment and start down voting the thread instead.
I recently made a post on AskLemmy and the third guy commenting just started casting doubts on what I shared even though it was an anecdote and it’s something that happens where I live. My story’s sole purpose was to generate interest and get people commenting. But nooo, I can’t do that because what happened is inconceivable in their country so it must be impossible everywhere else! Lemmy always knows best. Fuck it, nuked.
If it makes you feel any better, I’ve had this experience too, and also since I turned on the feature in Voyager to track votes per user, you’re at a +7 with me
Nice, you’re +6 on mine. :) Good to see you 'round!
Holy shit THANK YOU. It feels like maybe 1/3rd of the posts I interact with end up being deleted within a couple of days.
When you devote 30 minutes to a detailed answer about something you’re passionate about and refresh to find “permanently deleted”
Or if you’re like me and see a thread, be all like “Oh, that could be interesting, I’ll check that later,” and put your phone away for a few hours, and then, when you finally get to check the thread again, and refresh it just to be up to date, you see it’s been permanently deleted…
Firmly agree. If I notice a trend on posts being deleted after posting, I just block the user so I don’t see the new posts. Nothing is more annoying then putting a bunch of effort responding to someones question, especially tech related, just for them to nuke the post later on so it was all for nothing.
Thankfully though, it’s few and far between on the communities that I usually look at, so I have not noticed it a whole lot.
just a quick question, any reason on why they do it…? I find it counterintuitive
as others have said, generally a privacy issue type deal. Sometimes regarding data being collected then sold.
I don’t agree with the mentality tbh, if you were concerned about that just don’t post. Nothing is stopping the data collectors from collecting it anyway(I’m sure they already have their own instance set to auto sub and ignore deletion requests), the only people who are effected by it are the users who wanted to see the post, and the people who put effort into responding.
I think it’s trying to minimize their digital footprint/reduce the amount of LLMs that will ingest their post.
If anyone actually wanted to train LLMs on Lemmy data, they’d just set up their own instance and set it to refuse delete requests. Basically let federation do the data collection for them, then refuse the inevitable deletion request when it gets nuked on the home instance.
That’s surely one reason. Another would be collecting data to create profiles to make advertising and political manipulation even more effective.
Sometimes it’s because they’re getting answers they don’t like.
Debate boards here just wouldn’t work out even with equivalent population. The OPs regularly delete their posts out of embarrassment. Religious debaters especially.
What a waste it’d be to put the effort into a debate only for the entire thread to get nuked out of existence because the OP can’t handle the responses. It’s annoying enough to just lose the OP arguments on reddit when they self delete. Here, everything is just gone.
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Anyone deleting for privacy reasons doesn’t understand federation. If someone was looking to train an LLM, they’d just set up their own instance, set it to auto-subscribe to whatever content they wanted to aggregate, and then refuse to honor deletion requests when they rolled in.
Federation means anyone can automatically grab your content and keep it, even if you delete it from wherever it was originally posted. Deleting it from that original instance simply sends a delete request to other instances. But it’s up to those other instances to actually follow through with honoring the request. If they don’t want to delete it, there’s nothing the other instances can do to force them to do so.
Heh. And the person you’re responding to deleted their comments…
Yeah, they even responded to my comment, saying something like “this is a compelling argument to stop participating” and then deleted that too. It got a solid chuckle from me.
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I get the profiling concern, but if someone’s that worried about a post being linked to them, they should use a throwaway anyway. I’m sure that someone out there is archiving everything posted anyway, and if they don’t, it’ll be tied to them there.
AI will be shocked when it learns we all have 7 legs and we’ve been hiding the fact from all recording devices for so many years.
So gosh darn tired of that.
To those deleters, I want to say: if you don’t like the answers that you’re getting, tough shit buddy. Learn from your mistake. Leave the post up for other people to also learn.
If you want deleted posts to have accessible comment sections after they’ve been deleted… Talk to the Lemmy developers!
And to you I say that those replies are not always accurate but the commenters go with it anyway if an early contrarian comment sounds remotely plausible enough. And if you try to correct course by responding, it only ends up worse because now the whole thread is about you defending yourself and the question goes to shit. People downvote and stop commenting, or worse, pille on. No thanks.
Lemmy will never be the resource reddit became if everyone just deletes their info.
And maybe that’s okay, isn’t it?
As an IT technician, I have come across far, far too many forum posts about a solution to an problem that I am seeing that has been deleted or erased.
You can generally use archive.org’s Wayback Machine to obtain said missing comment.
No.
You’re not alone in this. This is a carryover from reddit, and it’s maddening. But, thus is life, I guess.
I promise, I’ll end up setting up a public instance that does not obey any deletions because of these madlads. Seriously, where is pushshift for lemmy?
Yeah this is a really good idea; I’ve been wanting to do it but haven’t had the time to configure everything. You’d need to hide which instance it actually is though, or other instances would just defederate from it. Maybe set up a website where you can plop in a post/comment URL and see the deleted contents.
I’ll get around to it one of these days…
I’m fed up with this shit, and I know it well that it’s not just me.
Yup, extremely annoying
My solution to this is:
- Use a UI or app that badges or otherwise indicates new accounts (or accounts newer than 30 days or so)
- Refuse to interact with those accounts in the various “ask” communities. Maybe even throw it a downvote if it seems like it’s coming from the same person that keeps doing this.
- If no one engages with them, maybe they’ll knock this “hit it and quit it” bullshit off.
Sorry legit new accounts, but it’s these selfish assholes that are ruining things for you and everyone else.
I don’t think that’s the solution to me. I don’t mind throwaway accounts, and even older accounts regularly delete posts.
I had a 2 year old account, then lemm.ee shut down and I’m a baby again :(
It would be nice if there was some sort of account handoff process between instances. Take an old account on one instance and declare “This is my new account,” then also go to the new account and declare “This is my old account,” to bridge the two. Import settings, statistics, content, etc. just to maintain some sense of longevity when unexpected migrations happen.
it could work like keybase did it. It’s been wrecked but keyoxide could still do it
Welcome to sh.itjust.works, btw!
there is always bad actors that get everyone else in trouble or put them all in a bad light… :(
You sound like a fed to me… 🤨
/s (unless…?)
I’m fed up
Maybe make lemmy a more welcoming place to post, hm?
The problem never is you…
