this just in: actually spending money on QA allows you to put out a higher quality product
It’s truly amazing what can happen when they don’t cut quite so many corners and release the minimal viable product.
I’m not sure that using the entire QA staff of the world’s largest agglomeration of Dev studios on a single game only qualifies as “not cutting corners”. That’s surely going above and beyond.
If that’s what it takes to ship a game that doesn’t have multitudes of game breaking bugs like they’re known for, perhaps the company has bigger problems. Like still using an engine that is this bad.
This engine is a house of cards that is decades past collapsing.
It really depends on if that dev studio conglomerate collectively cut costs on QA and by how much
If Agile consultant could read they’d be very upset
I really don’t like the word agile since everyone I ever met who had this in their job title was blowing up steam someones butt. Is that the job description or what is it with these agile types?
Agile used to refer to a very specific way of developing software, but then it got coopted by the mainstream where companies kept doing shit the same way they always had but calling it “agile”. It’s basically like when early Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire.
That’s a pretty cool comparison. Can you elaborate on that a bit? I have no idea what actually happened with christianity in ancient rome.
Also helps to come out with a game so popular you can bank on it for the next decade
Spoiler: It’s still really buggy.
I’m only a few hours in, but aside from the usual weird NPC behaviour this engine is known for I haven’t encountered any actual bugs so far.
yeah, the game stinks of gamebryo, but… I’ve only had one crash so far… Who would have that that all it would take to make a less buggy bethesda game was the entire QA department of one of the biggest companies on the planet.
Strange, I’m about 12 hours in and apart from minor glitches like odd character movement every now and then it’s been pretty smooth sailing. What are you guys running into?
I walk by a shelf and it randomly explodes from some physics glitch.
Things forever rolling that should not be rolling, like books.
NPCs just keep sprinting into a wall.
NPCs stuck halfway through the floor, both alive and dead.
Enemies teleporting into mountain, and can shoot me from there.
Creatures not attacking when they should.
Ships clipping into stations.
My character stuck in a pose.
Guns floating.Nothing game breaking though!
Just immersion-breaking.Im more concerned about other stuff. Performance. Design choices.
I get 37fps in towns with an “UFO rated” computer on userbenchmark.
The menus are horrible.
And what good does the spaceship do? I just fast travel everywhere. I think I’ve seen the inside of my ship twice i 10hrs.
Story is the most lazily written, generic scifi tropey stuff I’ve seen.
No maps. No clue where shops are.
The game is marketed as huge and open, but in reality it’s all just setpieces with empty planet surfaces. You cannot get into your ship and fly 500m east to your mission marker. If you do that, a new map is loaded and none of your missions are there.I concur with pretty much everything you said, though I will say my FPS has been significantly better than yours. You got an nvidia card? I heard they are bugged with bad performance and waiting for a driver update.
Game, while less critically fucky than previous Betehsda efforts (No doubt thanks to Microsoft dragging Bethesda into QA kicking and screaming), still carry the heavy stink of gamebryo, with classic bugs that have been there for decades… Like items/NPCs falling through floors for no reason.
I dont mind the very plane world map on random gen planets and shit, but how the fuck am i supposed to navigate New Atlantis or Neon on a field of useless floating dots and a collapsing fast travel icon stack?
edit I want to add that the autosaving fucking sucks, too. Especially since i got set back by a significant margin due to the crash i just had.
The issue with Nvidia cards is that Bethesda had an agreement with AMD for the game dev, so NVIDIA DSLL isn’t included. This means NVIDIA cards can’t by default take advantage of their full resolution upscaling ability.
I say “by default” because there’s already mods that replace AMD FSR with NVIDIA DSLL. I installed DSLL 3.5 and have been running it essentially without issues (very rarely the screen goes black for a second or two). Getting smooth frame rates on my 2070 super, 3440x1440, High settings other than resolution scaling (which I set around 58%, essentially DSLL “balanced”).
I cant find where I saw it, but what I saw was not a lack of DSLL, it was like an actual driver bug requiring a driver update to address.
a driver update isnt gonna add DSLL.
I haven’t even run into half of those somehow, always curious how different experiences we can have
Yeah. People have vastly different combinations of hardware and software. Different manufacturers and drivers. So it can be really different.
If they play on pc, I mean.I seem to unknowingly have built myself a real shit-magnet of a computer. Basically no new game has worked well for me since I built that one.
I had like 20 bad bugs per hour with Cyberpunk on release while my buddy had like one mildly annoying per 5h.
Darktide just didn’t work at all. Kept crashing six months after release, then I gave up.
Etc etc…
Same, it’s been exceptionally smooth considering the scale and scope of this game
that’s just a reality of software development and hard set deadlines.
That’s a fine excuse if you’re a developer, but not if you’re the one who chooses the deadlines
Sounds impressive until you learn there’s like 5 qa employees.
So you mean they actually QA’d the game.
Yeah the Microsoft QA team is probably the only one that’s ever touched the game.
I’ve watched multiple reviews though that have said some variation of “yup, it’s a Bethesda game, bugs and all”
Watched twitch streams out if curiosity. This is a bathesda game in every way. Which is fine, but it feels like we’re being told it’s not. And it is.
But it IS still the least buggy Bethesda game yet, that I believe. If all people got to complain about is lack of some HDR shit, theres not much to complain about.
I’ve only found a few bugs so far: One enemy floating in air, and followers who aren’t good at following.
As an old fart that started playing TES on DOS I have to disagree.
That I can believe. I’m too young for that. Didn’t get to play until Morrowind.
And they’ll still find a way to release it undercooked
“it just works”
Game is great. You people just want to bitch.
Oh boy, I’m sure an account with a username like yours is definitely here to make good faith arguments and have productive discussions.
Yeah because it’s incredibly hard to have the data amirite?
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/starfield
They just want to bitch, and you just want to make a pointless comment because my username isn’t W H O L E S O M E enough for you.
You realize that’s from people who get free copies right? Let’s wait to see how the average worker feels about shelling out 70~100 for it
I got a free copy with my GPU. I wouldnt have spent 100 dollars on 5 days early access. thats just stupid as fuck.
I am average worker who preordered it 2-3 days ago for 100€ with intent that if it’s bad that I will be able to refund it.
So far I have like 6 hours put it and except some stuff sometimes clipping through walls or weird movement and 1 crash I didn’t notice anything else broken. There are some game mechanics I am annoyed about and “open-world” performance is bad but it’s not broken game the bitching make it outs to be.
So far I am experiencing the Bethesda RPG™ I though it would be and I am happy. Can’t wait for modders to put more stuff in.
If you don’t mind the puppet faces, the Bethesda jank and playing from loading screen to loading screen, the game is great. I wouldn’t even pirate that crap.
I just imagine your life is like a 2am infomercial. Open a can and all of a sudden you’ve fallen and broken your arms 🤣.
Can’t reply to the points, just tips the table over
Look at his username, Obvious troll is obvious.
This guy is a terrible person. Safe behind a computer acting like a big man. In real life its just a sad dickhead
LMAO, you’re the one just randomly posting on my shit 🤣
Yeah bro, I’m interested in what you got to say. Is this not fun?
I don’t doubt a Bethesda game is great. I just doubt the launch will go smoothly
And yet, you have minor bugs and mostly positive experiences.
In all other Bethesda games I only have minor bugs because of mods to fix a majority of them. I’m not buying star field for another 2 months at least because I’ve played previous Bethesda games and I rather buy it once it works
Yeah! Fuck all the evidence showing this is the one Bethesda game we wouldn’t have to wait for mods to make it enjoyable. I only like learning from my own experience, can’t trust anyone.
“We assembled our best team of Creed Brattons.”
Apparently with all that QA they still missed massive picture quality problems
As a developer who works with great QA people. I can guarantee you that the QA team were not the issue here. Where the developer’s time was prioritized and what fixes where even allowed to be patched would have been a direct result of leadership decisions
Yep. A lot of people don’t realize that games are not bad because of the developers but rather because of leadership. They incorrectly attribute the blame to developers and think developers want to build shitty games or something.
I don’t know why everyone is acting surprised, it’s been this way for a while now. Pre-ordering any game is just paying early so you can be a dev-tester. I can’t think of a major release in video games that hasn’t been a buggy mess on release. I was fool with No Man’s Sky, and I won’t be fooled again. My plan is to just wait a few months until the second patch, same thing I do for all new releases and they’re usually discounted a bit by then too.
tl;dw
HDR is broken (or all colour grading)SDR is broken as well.
I’ve been in the SpecialK discord all of yesterday messing with stuff and went to bed.
Now I wake up and find that not only did they (SpecialK devs) fix the 8bit pipeline problem, but it paves the way for real HDR in all Direct3D12 games.
You have until launch day to return pre-orders and I was considering it, but we might have fixed HDR/black levels now.
And it’s exclusive to Xbox so ps4/5 is screwed.
PC?
Yes PC too but I’m running an Intel NUC with Linux for utility and compact space.
I have a Nuc with Linux (Void ) too
Good to know 👍
I’m not familiar with NUCs, So I dont know if that affects anything… but I’ve been playing Starfield since it unlocked on Linux, so theres no issue with at least the linux part if that helps you with anything.
That’s good to know. I mentioned the nuc because its not a gaming machine. I am able to play some stuff on it but its not a powerhouse. It is utilitarian for me. Budgets, bills, banking, videos, programming, etc.
I live under a rock. How does this game compare to NMS?
It’s not an exploration game really at all. Think RPG with space theme.
It’s not even really an rpg with how few skills/abilities there were to select from. And how little the environment changes to allow you to solve problems differently
Apples to oranges i hear
Starfield is Fallout 4 set in space. No man’s sky is exploration in space. I prefer the latter.
It doesn’t.
Basically the space flight mechanic is somewhere between Mass Effect: Andromeda and CoD: Infinite Warfare.
You use your galaxy map fast travel to go anywhere and can only fly the ship around each small “instance.”
Planetary landings are restricted to POI’s or you can land on some random spot, but the planets are broken up into chunks so you can only walk around so much before having to go back to your ship for another fast travel moment.
Its fallout 4 in space. It doesnt compare to NMS. Or Elite, or Star Citizen.
Shocking. These days, normally, GA is QA.
It’s been that way for a while now.
When online patching became a thing most games studios quickly figured out they could push the game to press in whatever state, then work on fixing the bugs in between code complete and GA, and simply push those fixes as a launch day patch.
And commercially, it makes sense. The greatest the game is on the shelves, the earlier the investors see ROI. It’s just a shame if this calculated gamble backfires and the degree find way too many bugs to fix in the window between code complete and release. That’s when you get Cyberpunk 2077…
To be fair, I haven’t played 2077 on launch day but like 3 months later, on a medium-high gaming laptop. I‘ve had zero crashes, no T-poses and generally nearly no bugs.
The real problem was them releasing the game on last gen consoles which were (like low tier pcs) unable to handle the game. I would even go as far as to say that they made a game that was only playable on high tier hardware.
And interestingly enough now 2.5 yrs after release, the game has more bugs for me than it had 3 months in.
I‘m not a game dev so I can’t say why that is but as a dev I can say that fixing one bug might introduce another which becomes a lot harder to fix.
I played at launch, and there were game-breaking issues every 15-30min for me, constant crashes etc. I rage uninstalled for the first time in years, due to a bug in the smasher fight the game would crash in the same spot every time, as such, I couldn’t actually finish the game.
I revisited it after a broken leg earlier this year and it’s come a long way, but yeah I really wish it had spent far more time in the oven as well as cutting out older hardware. The time they spent trying to get it to run somewhat stable on old hardware could’ve been far better used in QA and bugfixes.
I’m 7 characters deep, and I’ve stepped back to play other games (BG3 came along at the perfect time) while I wait for the DLC later this month. I foresee another few hundred hours of my life being sacrificed, if only so I can try my luck against maxtac.
Sounds like you did have some fun after all. Happy to hear I‘m not the only one. Yes, the launch must have been a catastrophe.
Cp2077 will be an odd case for me always. It wasn’t literally perfect but I couldn’t complete two gigs and I experienced some graphical glitches and that was it, incredibly lucky somehow… I 100%'d the game pretty much at launch, though I didn’t do all of the possible endings I did do about 3.
Anyone else seen the fallout 76 song it just works by the Chalkeaters?
Downvote for litchally.
Are you guys getting paid to advertise this game?
Nothing but endless posts in the past 24 hours on something I’ve previously never heard about.
Edit: the down voted form gamers with hurt feelings. I was half joking. All these over sensitive comments. I hope the game is trash. I’m sure you all fork over cash anyway. It’s meme group not a gamer sub.
It can’t be that people are organically wanting to talk about a recently released triple A game by an old and relatively beloved game studio. They must be paid actors.
In the grimdark future there can be no grass roots, only astroturf.
I wish they were payed actors, I wanna get payed to spread misinformation about a video game. Seems like easy money to me.
Something paid, something something nautical term
Nah it’s just common to post memes about the same thing when things occur.
I actually don’t like the game that much.
I mean, just because you don’t follow gaming news doesn’t mean nothing happens in the gaming industry. And if you somehow didn’t hear about this game that folks have been talking about for months as an extremely anticipated game, you clearly don’t follow gaming news that closely.
The game’s exclusive early access period for purchasers of the premium edition just released. Big name streamers are playing and streaming the game. Reviews are pouring out of every game review site. On top of all that, the general release is days away. Obviously, people are gonna be talking about it.
With all these down votes.
This is a meme group, I ask a question but because I didn’t add an /s, all the gamer bros jump all over me.
Same as it ever was.
You asked a snarky ass question. Don’t be an idiot.
I have admitted as much.
If it’s so clearly snark, why the toxic gamers responses?
All the people calling me idiots, aka you are assholes.
This is fucking meme group, not totalseriousgamertalk.
Fragile egos.
“Fragile egos”
From the guy complaining about downvotes.
What a clever response. I bet that make your ego feel nice.
Down votes at a measurable symptom of what I am describing.
You’re being awful serious. This is a meme sub, not a serious one.
Then get out from under your rock? Starfield has been on the hype train for ages.
Wow. You are an asshole about me not paying attention to your hype train.
I’m not even all that excited. I just don’t live under a rock 🤷♂️.
We’re old mate. Hype trains don’t stop for people older than 22.
As am I.
Pity the toxic gamer culture doesn’t appear to recede with age.
More than half the responses are attacks on me personally for something I said in jest.
Before anyone accuses me of trolling or whatever. Realize this is a meme community, not a gamer community.
Idk how you’ve managed to not hear about it. Or see it. Shit I don’t even watch the videos and it’s all over my YouTube.
Not everyone watches the same YouTube.
