I’m sure I’d be preaching to the choir if I told you that it’s time for us to immigrate from übercorp owned social media and services. All of you have done so, so that’s not the point of this post. Even though we are on these new platforms, the fediverse is still sensitive to requests from governmental bodies and organizations. Lemmy.zip has already blocked UK users and Lemmy.world will almost certainly do the same. Due to the size of Matrix’s biggest homeserver matrix.org, the admins of said homeserver are beginning to follow the OSA and have already raised their minimum age to 18+. And instances who don’t follow the Act could be subjected to insurmountable paperwork and even blocked from the UK, Australia and other countries enacting these outrageous laws soon.
Blocking UK users to avoid this is almost a necessity, and as Labour is attempting to get lawmakers to outlaw VPNs, we could be seeing the equivalent of the UK Great Firewall soon. However, it will take significant amounts of time, money and paperwork to outlaw VPNs and to get ISPs to block sites and protocols. This is where federated and open source platforms have an advantage, without being shackled by bureaucracy they are able to quickly adapt. But this is not sustainable, and eventually the UK will become even more overreaching in order to gain more control over people’s Internet usage.
Darknets such as Tor, I2P and Yggdrasil are a potential solution, however they have multiple issues. Tor is slow and has a reputation of being used by pedophiles and drug traffickers. I2P is scattered in implementation and cannot handle high load. Yggdrasil is alpha software and requires IPv6, which in many countries is simply not possible to use. Whilst these darknets are extremely resistant to censorship from other countries, with the only way to fully dismantle them would be to shutoff all access to the Internet, they still are not capable of handling modern Internet usage.
We might need new completely independent mediums seperate from the Internet to avoid this. Physical bluetooth mesh networks or other technology is an example. Maybe even a new version of dial-up. All I know is that governments will not stop here. I might seem like I’m overreacting here, but we need to be prepared for what is coming.
CORRECTION: I was told by a peer that Yggdrasil peers must have IPv6, however one does not need an IPv6 enabled network to use it, they just need an IPv6 operating system/device, which virtually every modern operating system including Windows and Linux does. Yggdrasil is actually Beta software.
We need to start our own Internet with black Jack and hookers.
you know what, forget the Internet!
You can’t have hookers without copious amounts of cocaine.
Your proposal is acceptable.
I2P is basically this
Yep, the answer to many of these problems is I2P.
TOR was invented by the US Navy, roughly 1/3 of major entry/exit nodes are estimated to be comprimised / run as honeypots by various LE / Intel agencies, and said LE and Intel agencies also know how to, and have deanonimyed various people and groups on TOR that they really wanted to go after.
TOR ain’t it.
I2P is a lot closer to ‘it’.
The other part of the answer is:
Well, now it turns out data hoarders were not just paranoid weirdos, they actually had foresight.
If you can host your own at least several terabyte mini/curated backup of the Internet Archive, and plug that into I2P, then congrats, you now are the backup plan for when, not if, they get massively purged of even more of their content than has already been taken out in the last ~2 years.
The old cyberpunk line holds true in another sense of meaning:
The future is already here, it just isn’t evenly distributed.
Trouble is, there is little that can be done.
Enough folks drank the coolaid, and now we’re stuck with surveillance laws masquerading as child protection laws.
Those laws can, and will, get worse over time. However, new mediums will arise, or old ones will rise to the occasion (IRC goes brr). The main thing to do is remain calm, make it a key voter issue, and watch the bastards fold right before the next election.
The main thing to do is remain calm, make it a key voter issue, and watch the bastards fold right before the next election.
What’s your plan to make it a key voter issue? Lamenting about it on censored internet?
We need bulletproof alternatives and solutions.
(IRC goes brr)
XMPP has been brring for a while now.
Enough folks drank the coolaid,
You say that like the UK all sat down in a room and most of the country said “please censor me”.
It’s always about trust in your government. As a Slovakian, I don’t believe mine.
I strongly encourage everyone to protect the things they love, download all of Wikipedia, screenshot & download all the things. It’s a little paranoid, sure, but between all of us downloading & saving all our little pieces of the web & all its information, we effectively safeguard most of it from digital terrorism, tyranny, erasure. It costs very little, relatively speaking. Do your part & I’ll do mine.
I have Kiwix (offline versions of Wikipedia and other online resources) and Linkwarden (preserve specific websites in multiple formats) running on my home server.
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I was under the impression linkwarden just saved… links.
Entire webpages? Do tell!
Yes! It saves it as HTML, readable HTML, PDF and image.
Results can vary a lot depending on how the page is implemented. Sometimes most of the formats are empty or broken, but I always got at least one that’s usable.Can you use it to search for old versions of web pages too?
Unless I missed that feature, no, you only have one version.
But it creates a link to archive.org so you can see if there’s older versions there.
Is there an ELI5 of how Kiwix works? I’m having some trouble wrapping my head around it.
You have two things, the application and the libraries.
The libraries are files with the data you want to host (wikipedia, stack overflow, etc).
There’s a lot of applications for different platforms. Some allow to download the libraries directly, otherwise you can download them manually into a folder and tell the app where to find them.It’s kind of like a PDF of a web page. But it’s functional You don’t have to load the whole site at once and links take you from page to page just like it did in the original website. The content is stored in monolithic ZIM files and you can get a decent selection from archive.org. But it’s mostly reference material and the content is quite static.
I’ve often felt that the web should work more like Git, so you can keep the content locally and just pull updates when you need.
All I have is like QWEN 3B that fits on my HDD and and an USB with memories
Tor is slow and has a reputation of being used by pedophiles and drug traffickers.
It sucks that literally using something that should be the default, truly protecting privacy, has such a bad reputation because… well it protects privacy.
This is honestly the best reputation a technology like this could have imo, because it very clearly shows that it does work
Paper money is slow and has a reputation of being used by pedophiles and drug traffickers.
A lot of inert things are used in bad ways.
The UK moves are very worrying. We’re trying to help people to move away from big tech at our site https://www.rebeltechalliance.org/
We recommend fediverse protocols wherever possible - so I’m interested in the comments here about how that is affected
This site would be more compelling if it didn’t look so much like a you wouldn’t steal a car ad.
Frankly, the answer should be for every site to just cut the UK off entirely. Let them have their own little North Korean style micronet. Maybe when the people of the UK can’t visit anything but a bunch of miserable English websites, they will get off their asses and elect competent leaders. If not, well maybe they’re just not the sort of people we should allow access to the global communications network. Let the barbarians stew in their own barbarism.
Frankly, the answer should be for every site to just cut the UK off entirely.
Tech corporations own most popular and visited websites/services, they are not going to do it. That said you have countries with major websites blocked like russia or china, while it upset many people censored internet is also a strong tool to brainwash people so don’t assume a blockage would lead to a positive outcome.
Maybe things will go back too when the internet was a less decentralized and more for a select few who were interested? Personally that’s when I enjoyed the internet the most. Were message boards reigned supreme and chatrooms were filled with 30 year men pretending to be women. Actually that last part hasn’t changed
Lemmy.zip has already blocked UK users and Lemmy.world will almost certainly do the same.
For clarity, lemmy.zip had blocked them months ago because the owner of lemmy.zip is based in the UK and theoretically could actually be fined. This is not the same situation as lemmy.world.
Guess they need to work on their authoritarian hellhole of a country.
~American
Americans arent exactly in a great position to judge right now.
Meshtastic is a project that enables you to use inexpensive LoRa radios as a long range off-grid communication platform in areas without existing or reliable communications infrastructure. This project is 100% community driven and open source!
Lora is typically 50k max (theoretical 256k). So less than dial up speed.
It is in no way a replacement technology for wifi.
Obviously the solution is to have thousands of nodes per file transfer to increase the bandwidth.
This is a perfect plan which has absolutely no downsides.
Only one node can be transmitting at once, or signals can be lost, so nodes automatic hold back until the channel is clear. Meshtastic seems reliant on having as little traffic as possible, with the way ot works right now, it can easily be overwhelmed.
Meshtastic can’t even keep more than a few hundred nodes in memory…
Outlawing VPNs? Good luck doing business with the rest of the world
Good point. How tf are they going to work remote?
You are not overreacting, an alternative to internet is needed and it’s not that hard to create, there are many projects already of networks working over radio and wifi, we should probably just stick to one of these and work to expand it
Meshtastic-Based Web?
Only tangentially related, but in the vein of privacy and circumventing surveillance, one communication idea I really like in that vein is from the show The Leftovers–the way the “Remnant” group communicates only by simple handwritten notes.
I just like the idea that something so rudimentary could theoretically overcome a lot of very high-tech snooping equipment. Good luck using your Stingray cell tower simulator to intercept my notepad scribbles.
Camera’s or any other matter of visual detection. So perhaps we should get back into cyphers. Vigere anyone?
Obviously, yeah, it wouldn’t work in the middle of a Target. And given the AI tools that can use keyboard typing sounds to determine what was typed, it’s even theoretically possible there’s some bleeding-edge capability to circumvent it. But in general, if you’re in some context where you’re not sure if you’re being listened to/monitored, handwritten notes would definitely work, because your biggest concerns are e-mail, text messages, phone calls, GPS, etc…
Besides being slow I think the issues with darkweb can be overcome simply through general interest growing. Currently I personally have no real motivation to use such technologies beyond the decentralized fediverse on clearnet. But if things keep going the way they are, then I’ll have motivation. I’m into digital media archiving so if that gets pushed further underground then I will have reason to bother.
I am paying attention of course, Canada is likely to copy cat EU/UK/AUS. Just as a general rule of thumb, but this stuff is in the works here too specifically.
Another thing to consider: https://handshake.org/
“Decentralized naming and certificate authority. An experimental peer-to-peer root naming system.”
I just jack off into the camera every once Ina a while in case any government agent is watching. I don’t have to do it. But they have to watch it
Hate being assigned to this guy
I have always wondered about distributed hosting, like BitTorrent, but for websites. You go to a webpage, and it gets seeded from however many people host the file. It should be harder to take down. I do not code at all. Is that a thing? Why not?
So like IPFS?
I tried really hard to use IPFS. I set up a syncthing and did some auto-publishing scripts.
It’s slow AF, and unless you pay some big player to pin your files there’s only about a 1 in 10 chance of it actually being available everywhere. I had to actually peer my computers together to get sure fire access to my own data.
Then there’s very little in the way of privacy. I did some JavaScript crypto self-decrypting archives that was kind of fun But with the distribution problems it just became more of a hassle to use than anything.
Tenfingers does distributed sharing, it’s basically your folder(s) in the cloud but decentralised, so it could be your website by just publish the html and the rest.
Tor is not that slow for normal internet usage. You can even watch videos in SD.
you can at it’s current usage level, if new limits spark new usage, we’ll need a lot more exit nodes.
Tribler has inbuilt onion routing. If I understand it correctly, tribler <-> tribler connections don’t need exit nodes and it’s fast enough to stream video
