Maybe decades ago, but not now.
Yeah, Mac stuff is white or silver now. They stopped doing the colourful stuff 20-odd years ago.
Mac osx has unix command prompts built in and the ability to containerize out of the gate. Windows requires WSL and a bunch of other shit to achieve a substantially worse effect.
The out of the box containerization is still pretty new though — it’s like a month old
Exactly. Modern Windows is like Tesla - shiny exterior built on top of garbage cobbled together with paperclips and duct tape. No visible knobs, no easy to access features, everything hidden behind layers of needless menus and abstraction with the express goal to extract maximum value from their ‘customers’.
I’m not an Apple fanboy by any means but I feel like the two ecosystems are much closer now than they were 10-15 years ago.
Kids use Chromebooks everywhere I’ve seen the past 5+ years.
Not even decades ago. ResEdit was one way we hacked old Macs back in the day.
It’s an older meme sir but it doesn’t check out anymore.
Inaccurate.
If you’re a Linux user why wouldn’t you unlock MacOS’ potential by using the command line? MacOS is UNIX based, so you have access to its guts, just as you would any other UNIX based system.
Exactly. MacOS is the best of both worlds; it’s my absolute favorite distro of BSD.
It’s not just UNIX based; it is a certified UNIX OS:
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/Because I’m not going to willingly give my creative efforts over to a corporation that will hold it hostage and only allow me to work so long as I’m using only their products.
/bin/bash -c "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/HEAD/install.sh)"Homebrew, plus some VMs, and you get the best of all platforms in one computer.
This used to be particularly awesome when macOS was intel based, as now running an intel based machine image on apple’s ARM architecture is awkward by comparison, but hopefully that will resolve somewhat soon.
Apple silicon is sick. I’m salivating for a Linux distro dedicated to Apple M chips.
You mean Asahi?
I believe that’s the name of the project. It’s early days and I can’t wait until it is properly developed.
The truth:
This is some boomer level “hurr hurr” bullshit that is just patently not true. Keep giving Microsoft credit it doesn’t deserve.
Right? Windows is like a Tesla. One of those wankpanzers that cut off your fingers, brick in the car wash and immolate their drivers.
The trashing of the Apple machines is undeserved, but the Windows one is relatively accurate.
Windows is the thing that everybody uses, like a car. But, it should be a modern car where the car manufacturer requires you to pay a yearly subscription to unlock basic features that shipped with the car. It’s a car that you can’t fix yourself, and have to take to an authorized service station where they pay a fee to get access to the tools that allow them to diagnose the car.
I don’t know what the Mac one should be. A modern Mac is really powerful. It’s a Unix machine with a clean and polished UI. But, it’s true that it shields the average user from the complexity if they don’t want to dig deeper. Maybe it’s a modern Bugatti. A luxurious vehicle that has obscene power under the hood.
For the love of Pete, not this again.
Many flavors of Linux are more simple and user friendly than Windows or Mac.
Mac is unix-based and very similar to Linux in many ways.
Windows is like that car that Homer Simpson designed.
I’m gonna say windows is more like a cybertruck truck. Full of bloat, spyware, and half the features are not like to slice a finger off than do what it’s supposed to- and definitely not bullet proof.
windows is the one that should be the toy wheel here.
macos is unix, and quite solid
and im a big apple hater.
Lol, call me back when they support bsd jails. Or a five button mouse. Or a decent amount of RAM. Or a package manager. Or more than 2 ports. Or an SDCard slot
My 2022 macbook pro has a charging port, four USB-C ports (one of which can be used for charging as well), an HDMI port, a minijack port, and an SD card slot.
I use homebrew for package management, and have yet to be dissatisfied with that.
This machine also happens to have 32 GB of RAM.
I don’t know about mouse-support, but I mostly use my keyboard for everything, and have yet to miss having more than two buttons and a scroll wheel on my mouse. With my previous (2012) macbook however, I used a five-button mouse sometimes.
Really don’t know where you get your info on macs, but you it seems you missed the phone when you were called back sometime around 2010.
Brew is shit. I’ve had to use it, and wouldn’t chose to ever again. 32gig of RAM? For professional work? What is this, 2009? 4 ports is good, and good to hear about the sd-card finally. And you’re supporting the mac mouse? With the charging port on the bottom?
You may think it fine. But for the money I think Macs are vastly inferior to a decent thinkpad, dell, or even HP
What are you smoking that 32gb of RAM is 09? 32gb is more than enough for most users in 2025, hell 16gb is still quite enough for most use cases.
Most mac users I’ve known either use the touchpad or MX Master, very few use the magic mouse. And build quality is much better than the equivalent plastic garbage from HP or Dell.
If you need more than 32 GB of RAM, I’m pretty sure you’re no longer looking for a laptop. I mean sure, you can get up to 128 GB on a macbook, but if you need that kind of volume you’re doing professional work on something that is specifically extremely RAM-intensive.
I didn’t support the apple-mouse, in fact I don’t like it at all, primarily because I don’t like the feel of it. Personally, I use a completely ordinary, cheap mouse with two buttons and a scroll wheel.
i mean, its obviously no linux…
wait, it doesn’t support five button mice?
no way this has to exist 😂
I’m not sure this is necessary, my five button mouse worked just fine on the mbp my work forced me to use in 2020. The only issue was pointer speed is wonky, and the scroll wheel is intentionally stupid.
But the buttons work like Linux uses them, not like windows uses them. Which is fine, but I can see how the uninitiated would have a problem with that.
I have always hated Apple the company… the products are way too overpriced and nerfd but Ok overall
Flip Windows and macOS and I think the meme works again.
Windows needs to be big brother watching at all times while forcing ads down your throat.
Apple just needs a very high price tag.
Even that needs a disclaimer. I was ordering some SFF PCs for my org last week and was kind of shocked how much the Lenovo and Dell PCs in that form factor were… out of curiosity I specc’d a Mac Mini with the same RAM and storage and they came in a little cheaper with a better processor. Only caveat is the lack of USB A ports, but dongles are super cheap anyway. If my users wouldn’t need training to use them I would definitely have considered (maybe even preferred from a device management perspective) the Mac Mini.
Factor in an energy cost savings as part of the TCO. A M4 Mini will save considerable energy over any comparable machine.
Managing Mac’s compared to PCs is such a dream it’s soooooo easy
It’s interesting to see a modern, POSIX compliant, Unix implementation characterized as a children’s toy. These arguments are simple minded. I develop on a Mac, and deploy it to Linux in most cases. And yes I do understand that this is also possible on widows now - but not my preference.
From your comment I’m going to guess that like most in this community, and lemmy as a whole, you know a lot more about this than your average user.
From the perspective of a reasonably tech savvy person that doesn’t like to be told how to do things and is willing to put in a little effort, the question I ask is this; is this hardware I bought actually mine to do with as I please out of the box with a minimum amount of guardrails to stop me from doing something really stupid unless I know what I’m doing as opposed to just licensing it from a nanny?
Linux - yes, maybe too much, at least for me.
Windows - yeah, usually.
Mac - lmao no, stfu and take your sippy cup.
And there is nothing wrong with someone who is just a user saying “I don’t ever want to deal with any of this shit, I’ll take the sippy cup.” But it’s still a sippy cup.
I really don’t see backing for this take like… anywhere?
Sure: Linux gives you absolute control, I won’t debate that. I work on a Mac however, and haven’t yet found any guard rails that a simple
sudo !!won’t get me passed.Windows on the other hand requires you to do all sorts of arcane shit if you want to do anything at all outside of checking boxes in a shitty GUI to enable/disable features.
As an engineer, I would rather develop on Mac than any other OS. I have shit to do and need to work in a POSIX compliant OS without bloat, while also not worrying about my OS install getting borked arbitrarily because I looked at it wrong.
Weird, I’ve been forced to use a Mac for work, never liked it. I prefer Debian or other non-rolling-release distros with long term support, and haven’t had a Linux install get messed up in many years (since I used Arch, and something went wrong with my proprietary Nvidia drivers after an update).
As another engineer, I won’t touch another Mac until it allows me to upgrade memory and disk without buying a whole other unit.
Never had to upgrade memory or disk in the lifespan of the machine. What really makes a difference though is 20 hours of battery life. You can run around the office without worrying about staying plugged in.
Also, AMD is also going towards the SoC approach.its only a matter of time before you can’t upgrade memory on PCs too.
I enjoyed using a MBP for a few years, mostly for the trackpad. I eventually grew too annoyed with the desktop crashes and iCloud bloat though. I built a new Linux workstation last year, and it just feels like home 🐧.
This is Mac
And this is Windows
You know macOS ships with a terminal ootb, right? There’s a reason it’s a massively popular option for devs.
I’ll take any excuse that I can get to dump this story somewhere. A relative of mine has bought an iMac. She created some videos with it. After some time has passed, the Mac’s native Apple media player (I forgot the name) refused to play the videos she has created with the Apple iMac software. But it conveniently pointed her to a 20 € “upgrade” that she could buy to make it work again. She asked me for help, I installed MPV instead. Worked like a charm. On an unrelated note, that thing is glued together, and the storage is soldered on, likewise is the ram.
“Apple’s design is so simple!”. Why do people put up with this trash?
Edit: I forgot to mention all of the videos were in Apple’s own .mov format.
I decided to switch to mac a couple of years ago. I have been extremely unhappy with the results. I have a good mechanical keyboard which is built for both PC and Mac (it has Mac-specific keys), but nope, compability sucks and keybindings are messed up across a lot of the keys, making it basically a guessing game each time I need a paranthesis. I usually work within a Linux VDI. Within the VDI, keybindings are further messed up, making it hard to find the correct keys, even on the integrated laptop keyboard. I have a usb-c connected screen/docking station which only connects properly about 75% of the time. I have a stream deck which randomly refuses to connect, making me have to unplug and replug every now and then. I regularly want to connect to multiple display, which often turns put to be unsupported and basically impossible.
To me, it just seems like compability for mac is completely terrible. A lot of the issues could be solved by throwing more money at apple - by getting an apple keyboard or apple screen or subscription software - but for stubborn people like me, apple is not getting a dime for these kind of issues. None of these issues existed before I got the mac.
I am leaving the apple ecosystem for good when my company allows me to get a new machine.
Yeah, Macs are great if all your other stuff is Apple and all your subscriptions are Apple and all your cloud is Apple and you buy a new $2k unrepairable computer and go along with whatever huge changes Apple brings.
And they are actually quite user friendly… until something doesn’t work, or you want to reach out of its approved purview.
They are also dev friendly too, but the hurdle for that is high enough that one might consider Linux at that point.
But on your point, say what you will about Windows and all the UI garbage and bloat MS adds, but underneath, it is utterly stagnant, lol.
They are also dev friendly too,
Not saying you’re wrong because I don’t use it, but from the outside, they appear actively hostile toward developers.
You have to “unlock” them with a lot of tweaks. And to be clear, I’m just saying they’re better than Windows. Ugh, trying to compile anything on Windows…
Hardware wise, they’re far better for local code assistants, too, with the exception of a few exotic AMD laptops just now coming out.
