It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.
I’m only surprised it took this long.
Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my ‘status’ when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.
Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!
Use Codeberg, or self-host Forgejo
All I want for Christmas in Forgejo federation.
*is
Dvorak layout, my bad. This typo happens way too often on phone.
I know that pain, brother. Colemak + 3 languages often plays tricks on my autocorrect.
Codeberg has a 750mb limit, for me that is not enough. I need to store asset data as well.
Split the repository? It’s not an unreasonable thing to do.
That said, FreeBSD’s repo is 2ish GiB, and Linux is 3, LLVM is huge too. Not unreasonable to want to mirror those.
Good point! I wasn’t aware of that.
Im going to remove my Github content and host it just for myself in my own Forgejo at home.
Pity that the world is falling apart in so many ways.
I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.
I’m not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It’s unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There’s a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.
This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.
It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so… every single day.
There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.
I stopped sending updates to it and host my own gitlab now.
won’t ever look back.
Meaning you have your own machine to host on or how does it work?
yes. I have a rack in my basement and host gitlab out of one of my servers.
it’s available over LAN or VPN.
nightly backups to a nas and weekly syncs to S3.
S3 seems like a really expensive way to backup personal data. Are you doing it to achieve the offsite backup?
I currently dont have an offsite and im weighing up having a NAS at my parents place.
S3 is within my budget, but it can get expensive. and yes it’s my off site.
if I had someplace else I could trust like you mentioned I might do that but it’s just too much data to send.
my gitlab backups are around 80gb.
Hey have you considered lakefs based solutions for backups? I think you can set the retention rules up so that only backups upto so many months are retained and the rest are removed. That way only the diff in the backup files need to be uploaded.
I have not, I’ll take a look. thanks.
GitHub is finally dead.
Long live Microsoft 365 Copilot CodeShare Professional
Finally we can do collaborative coding in powerpoint, put it on sharepoint, and have copilot link it to issues in teams.
We need to have 10 meetings about this this week.
I didn’t have many but I’m pulling all my repos from GitHub.
Are we moving to Codeberg now?
Or your own server. But yeah this is not so good for the rest of us. They are doubling down on AI.
Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won’t get the “drive by” contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
So what you’re saying is that we need federated git.
The closest I found that works is: https://hackaday.com/2024/03/16/radicle-an-open-source-peer-to-peer-github-alternative/
It took a LONG time to get set up on one of my systems. It worked! Unfortunately, I found that just having git by itself was fine for my purposes. And most people are throwing in behind codeberg which is fine by me.
Huh. Gitlab just said it’s too hard with their cut staffing numbers and they’re not doing federation.
Yeah, IRRC thus far they only have starring (not unstarring, mind you) implemented and it’s not even in main yet
I mean, this is more-or-less how the Linux kernel is managed. Linus just has final say on what gets released.
I remember Sourceforge, bitbucket, and a host of other “source” servers. GitHub was nice for a while, but its just another iteration of the same. Heck a lot of the major repos (like Linux for example) only do mirrors to GitHub. The same with codeberg, Gitlab, and other centralized services.
At my last few jobs, we couldn’t host on GitHub because of HIPPAA compliance. It was fine. Self hosting git is VERY common in quite a few industries.
On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
So we need a free & federated identity provider to sign us up as easy as 123 there.
There’s plenty alternatives.
- Sourcehut sr.ht (possibly other instances)
- Various gitlab instances, e.g. framagit.org
- not to mention git’s own web ui which runs under so many domains; some of them might even be open to signups.
Unfortunately none has quite as good of a search engine. Do any actually have social features like friends and feeds?
Why would you need those in a git server?
Search is really useful for finding error messages’ origin as well as to find random example usages of APIs that have less than stellar documentation. The nice thing about GH search is that it allows many different facets like language and is pretty flexible by allowing exact search terms. Of course the corpus size helps as well.
No, I know why you would want search, I was asking about why you would want social features.
Because humans are social creatures?
The real question is…. WHY DOES AZURE DEVOPS STILL EXIST?!?!?
Our company runs everything on Azure. We use windows PCs, Visual Studio Professional, C# .Net, outlook, teams, etc.
We make enterprise software and I am happy really. I wasn’t at the start but as time goes on I don’t care, I do my job and go home.
Username checks out :)
The company I worked at got acquired by a big tech company. We’re switching from Google suite to Microsoft, Mac to Windows, Slack to Teams, etc. It’s pretty painful as transitions go, and if not for golden handcuffs I’d be gone.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever be happy with Visual Studio though, so I use Jetbrains Rider.
So your company either works with Microsoft or has a weird idea of security. Teams does not work without taking home to Microsoft. My company tried everything but couldn’t make it work, so they extended their Skype for business service for some years.
I hope they switch to Linux when this is over.
Been in business 20 years with regular pen testing and had no complaints and have some pretty large clients.
.Net is popular in the UK for enterprise.
Might do you well to make less assumptions.
Because businesses that use .NET are already paying for it with their visual studio subscription or higher Microsoft support. It’s a bare minimum product that has no incentive to improve because no one pays for it. But businesses force the use of it because “we’re already paying for it”
Ah, the age old Microsoft strategy of bundling.
Better than Jira IMO, but it’s just the one I use, so 🤷
Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.
Now if only they could work that magic on ICE and IDF. (Microsoft is in bed with both.)
Dies or gets hacked. They’re such a shit company.
So they’re just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Aren’t they already doing that?
Aren’t others already doing that?
Aren’t others already doing that?
shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that’s published there if it violates somebody’s terms of use?
I’m finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.
We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft’s. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.
W.T.F.
what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?
Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming
I honestly don’t understand why Github hasn’t been abandoned by users at this point. If I were a company, I’d either go to the competition, who is just as good if not better, or host in-house if the means are there.
I’m just a freelancer and I gave up on github 3 years ago
Go with self hosted solutions, it’s really not that hard.
For a small to medium company it’s not necessarily worth it.
What are you using?
I use my own gitea server. If I was willing to pay for a more solid service I’d probably go for GitLab.
i’m having these same feelings about my youtube channel. they tell me i’m paranoid…
‘what, you think youtube is gonna go down?’
it’s not that i think it’s gonna go down, but it’s that nothing gold can stay. i gotta get some eggs in a different basket.
woah. I really didn’t know. I guess in that case it’s also strange it didn’t happen sooner
Just move to codeberg or a similar site.
For posterity: https://archive.softwareheritage.org/
Monopolies becoming more of a monopolies while the US is weaponized to protect them.
Self-hosting is the future.
i don’t think being owned by a shitty billionare company counts as independent
I believe that’s probably why they specify in the headline “at Microsoft” rather than just “independent.”
You can have an independent division within a company that doesn’t get orders from the company’s main CEO, or you can have it be fully under that person’s oversight. It used to be a separate division with its own management, now it’s not, thus it’s no longer internally independent.
Huge différence when you have an executive team that can say no.
Now that the No guys are out, MS CoreAI team can do whatever the fuck they want.
I should have deleted my data earlier.
You’ve still got time. Even when management transitions, it takes MUCH longer for actual systems and processes to catch up to the new “vision” they have for it.
If you want to delete your data, now would be the time before they actually start implementing any new practices.
and so begins the enshitification
That had already started.
How has GitHub been enshittified? It’s a genuine question, because I’ve thought Microsoft has been a pretty good steward of it until now.
For one thing, you can’t do a code search on GitHub unless you have a GitHub account and are logged in.
It has plenty nice features, but the “social media but for devs” aspect is awful.
I’m just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever know about it.
I’m using gitea - why u guys use forgejo again?
I just half went down this rabbit hole, I’m thinking forgejo is the best option (for me) because:
- they dogfood (they actually use their own product, on the other hand gitea uses github and github actions). This makes me feel more confident in forgejo.
- is not “owned” by a for-profit entity that could change course in the future, creating a big hassle for me down the line if I need to swap to something else for whatever enshitified reason (since forgejo is no longer compatible with gitea).
- forgejo seems to be more at-the-ready for finding and fixing security vulnerabilities in their own app (as proclaimed on their site).
- future possibility for federation (gitea is not planning this according to forgejo site).
Forgejo explaining the differences: https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/
For anyone already using gitea though (like yourself), I don’t know of any obvious benefits of swapping over to forgejo right now, unless you have experienced bad stability or issues with gitea firsthand.
If I was to choose for a first install, forgejo seems like the better candidate in my books. Mostly because I can be more sure that in a couple years I wont have to change ship to a new product (incase a for-profit company were to add features that aren’t in my best interest).
Gitea doesn’t use GitHub action. Syntax is compatible yes, but it’s not GitHub actions
That’s not what they mean, if you go to Gitea’s website and follow the links to the source code, you’ll find its being hosted on GitHub. Contrast this with Forgejo which is being hosted at Codeberg, a public Forgejo instance.
All the reasons that others mentioned, plus it sound cool.
Didn’t this clown literally say like lastweek that if you’re a dev and you’re not using AI to get out? well…he’s out and look what happens.
Move to Codeberg, donate to them, or self host your git repos.
… Was it ever since they got bought?
The ensh*tification continues. Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Some sort of encrypted collective sharing of the whole through BitTorrent style shared hosting.
I would seriously consider donating a few TB space and half my bandwidth to that.
Git has always been decentralized. That was one of its purposes. Sites like GitHub, Gitlab, etc actually went against the grain and centralized them; I personally believe this helped popularize git back in the days of CVS and Subversion being the two most popular version control systems.
Git patches were made to be email friendly as a means of distributing code between developers — it’s how the Linux kernel does it (or did, I’m not up to date on their current practices).
Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Already being worked on for a while. It’s called ForgeFed and being developed by Forgejo (the software powering codeberg). It’s an extension to the ActivityPub protocol, which is also powering the fediverse.
Thanks for this! I’ll check it out.
You mean like git?
Like Radicle?
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