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  • Prox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1591·
    2 个月前

    I suppose this means Microsoft will not count Word doc file sizes against users’ cloud storage quotas, right? Right??

  • Obinice@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1091·
    2 个月前

    Let’s say this huge breach of security and privacy is okay.

    How are Microsoft ensuring these sensitive documents are not being transferred via or stored on servers located in hostile countries with lax data laws (such as foreign nations like the USA?).

    • JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.caEnglish
      65·
      2 个月前

      Microsoft has already said it doesn’t matter where your data is stored, it isn’t safe from the United States.

      But you can change this behaviour in settings, it’s just the default for now.

      So, if you don’t trust Microsoft to handle your documents, but still somehow use MS Word and OneDrive, for the moment you can still stop it from saving your Word documents to their servers.

        • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldEnglish
          35·
          2 个月前

          I think it they are based in Latvia now which is in Europe. They did originally start in Russia and still supply the Russian government. Though it is free and open source. So where it is based does not really matter.

          OnlyOffice is one of the few open source applications which actually puts effort into its UI. LibreOffice looks straight from 1990. I really would not recommend LibreOffice to anyone who is not technical, whereas OnlyOffice provides a great UI experience.

          With the entire West supporting a livestreamed genocide the whole moral highground schtick does not really land for me anymore either.

  • Reygle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    77·
    2 个月前

    “Fuck you, Microsoft.” -Everyone, at all times

    Even if you’re not ready to come to Linux, you’re definitely ready to switch to LibreOffice. I dare you to try it.

    • xvertigox@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      2 个月前

      I’m using OnlyOffice bins on linux and find it to be a fantastic suite for my (minimal) uses. Not sure how it works on Windows though.

    • mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      2 个月前

      Writer and Impress should cover Word and Powerpoint perfectly. Even if your colleagues use Windows, you can still open them just fine.

      Excel though is troublesome, especially those with coded VBA or some plugins from companies. But for basic Excel? Calc can do the job ok too.

      • kalpol@lemmy.caEnglish
        1·
        2 个月前

        Yeah I got through school and could work just fine now with Calc. I’m sure it breaks when you get fancy but not that many people get that fancy.

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      2 个月前

      “Fuck you, Microsoft.” -Everyone, at all times

      Eh, that game where you had two gorillas standing on buildings lobbing exploding bananas at each other was pretty cool.

      • absentbird@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        2 个月前

        I’ve been writing all my college papers in LaTeX and it’s been great. They look so professional, and it’s easier to work on a collection of text files than one monolithic document.

        • kalpol@lemmy.caEnglish
          11·
          2 个月前

          I swear typesetting your papers is worth half a grade point at least. Then once you find Zotero and realize it will automagically handle your citations and you have auto biblios and cites working in LyX…life changing, absolutely.

            • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              2 个月前

              It really depends on what you will use it for. Using it for plain text doesn’t require much, some advanced layouts require a bit more digging, if you’re including fancy graphics, equations, bibliography, footnotes, etc, you’re going to look at managing the relevant libraries to gandle that (they are very well made and very convenient). All in all, it can be as complex as you want, but it can also be quite easy to use.
              Also LaTeX is way simpler than plain TeX.

            • RickyWars1@lemmy.caEnglish
              2·
              2 个月前

              Not really like Vim at all. But yes its a bit of a learning curve. Imo its worth it but I’m an engineering grad student so it is especially suited to my uses.

            • kalpol@lemmy.caEnglish
              1·
              2 个月前

              Not too bad with LyX. Get templates and modify them. It is a learning curve but entirely doable.

            • Evotech@lemmy.worldEnglish
              22·
              2 个月前

              These days you can just use AI to make the outline for you and go from there. Should be easier than ever

    • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      73·
      2 个月前

      They’d break SO MANY international and data security laws if they tried breaking into people’s OneDrive, it’d be hilarious to see the number of lawsuits they’d lose by default.

      • shneancy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        231·
        2 个月前

        they’re probably already doing that to a smaller degree, and slightly protecting themselves with an obscure clause in their TOS. besides, you only lose lawsuits if you get caught - and churning things through AI is a great way to erase any fingerprints that identifies stolen data

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          11·
          2 个月前

          they’re probably already doing that to a smaller degree, and slightly protecting themselves with an obscure clause in their TOS

          As soon as you find proof, you have literally free money up for the taking at any court.

          you only lose lawsuits if you get caught - and churning things through AI is a great way to erase any fingerprints that identifies stolen data

          That’s… not how any of this works…

          • shneancy@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 个月前

            an obscure clause in TOS won’t be a small print of an evil villain speech exposing their plot in clear wording. what it would be is something worded vaguely enough to make things seem like the end user technically agreed to what was being done, it could also be an “and” where you expected “or”, or an ommision of a specific thing… my point being - it’s always going to be a technicality that in case of a lawsuit would be a valid defence in the eyes of law

            it very much is how it works though? show me a lawsuit someone lost before they got caught commiting a crime. and how would you even go about proving that your unpublished documents were used to train AI? even an entire life’s work of one person is just a speck in the training data, it’s impossible to definitively prove your work was stolen and used to train an AI. besides there will always be plausible deniability that the AI just made shit up that happened to look kinda like what you once wrote

            • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              12·
              2 个月前

              an obscure clause in TOS won’t be a small print of an evil villain speech exposing their plot in clear wording. what it would be is something worded vaguely enough to make things seem like the end user technically agreed to what was being done

              That means nothing. Illegal terms can’t be enforced in contracts or terms of service.

              it’s always going to be a technicality that in case of a lawsuit would be a valid defence in the eyes of law

              No. Written law always takes precedence. If they spied on your data stored in OneDrive, they’d lose by default the moment the case hit the courthouse.

              As for your second paragraph: yeah, I agree. If they did that, the damage would’ve already been done. But it would kill the business once found out. The benefit is not worth the risk.

              For example: you’re saying that they would use it to train AI, right?

              They don’t train AI. They get a trained model from OpenAI.

  • flandish@lemmy.worldEnglish
    68·
    2 个月前

    tip: do not write about the revolution, short stories, hatred of capitalism, your suicide plans, or your teenage angst and erotic anthropomorphic horse fan fiction.

  • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.worldEnglish
    65·
    2 个月前

    Thank you to the skilled developers who bailed on OpenOffice when the shit stain company Oracle bought Sun, and formed LibreOffice.

    I can only hope there will always be digital freedom fighters on the side of good.

    I’ve donated to LibreOffice, and you should too, if you use their suite.

        • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.worldEnglish
          211·
          2 个月前

          Yes Ms is secretly stealing from users across the world and yet not a single security researcher has found it. AND ALEXA IS LISTENING TO ME 24X365 DAYS A YEAR!

          • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            10·
            2 个月前

            not a single security researcher has found it

            They do find it regularly. Its not even a secret, they are openly advertising it as a feature.

            AND ALEXA IS LISTENING TO ME 24X365 DAYS A YEAR!

            It is… thats its purpose…

            I think you are in the wrong place on lemmy if you are so willingly blind to the realities of tech companies.

          • NotForYourStereo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            2 个月前

            Exaggerating what is quite literally happening to make yourself sound smart actually just makes you look like a total dumbfuck.

    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
      10·
      2 个月前

      until your computer force reboots itself in the middle of the day to do updates it didn’t tell you about, and you log back in and later that night find it uploaded all your shit to the cloud and just for good measure deleted some of it too as a fuck you

      it’s the Microsoft way

    • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
      92·
      2 个月前

      You’re thinking as an individual. Excel in the business is what keeps Office afloat. There simply is no substitute. Even if you want to go with another spreadsheet, who’s going to trust that to faithfully import Excel data?

      • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
        91·
        2 个月前

        I’m not sure I even trust Excel to import an Excel file without mangling it.

        • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          2 个月前

          LOL, Excel doesn’t mangle shit. It’s best-in-class spreadsheet software for a dozen reasons. #1 being that it never changes. It’s solid, no other software like it. Business won’t risk fucking around with anything else.

          SOURCE: Sysadmin for several companies, and one that mainly used Google for Business. Accounting still had to have Excel.

          • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
            2·
            2 个月前

            SOURCE: Sysadmin for several companies,

            So, not actually an Excel power user then.

            • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
              31·
              2 个月前

              Well, no? It would be ridiculous to expect me to be a power user over all the software I’ve administrated. I judge what people need according to business demands and orders from on high. My judgement is that, yes, some business units require Excel.

              • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
                2·
                2 个月前

                That’s not what the claim was though, was it. Someone said Excel also mangles files and your counter seems to be that no it doesn’t because you’ve got users who use it. But the one thing does not automatically follow from the other.

      • Lfrith@lemmy.caEnglish
        12·
        2 个月前

        How many individuals care about what businesses do though? Usually they provide the hardware too, so it’s whatever when it comes to what the company chooses to use.

        These are more individual concerns for personal hardware. So long live LibreOffice.

        • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          2 个月前

          Bruh. We’re talking about a certain piece of software. You’re getting a bit off track.

          • Lfrith@lemmy.caEnglish
            1·
            2 个月前

            Not really. What software and hardware a corporation chooses to use for their workforce is something that employees will not have much control over if they aren’t in a high enough position.

            Anything provided by a company is company property anyways. What matters more to me is what is used for personal use than a work computer or work phone or work etc.

            So discussion wasn’t off track. You were seeing things from the company perspective assuming the person was seeing it from a corporate position. I’m seeing it from a personal usage perspective and not corporate, which most employees have little control over and it’s not their devices anyways.

  • TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zipEnglish
    31·
    2 个月前

    How will this work for (for example) cibersecurity companies that have reports full of client’s vulnerabilities and can’t have them hosted in third parties?

    • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.worldEnglish
      39·
      2 个月前

      No for most it’s customers and an option for them all. MS is very clear in its policies. Any AI services you use, isn’t sent back for training. The policy is very clearly explained and one of the clearer ones.

      Business or enterprise users data isn’t trained and individuals data can opt out

      • thann@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        11·
        2 个月前

        I remember when facebook had a policy to require users to opt-in to having third parties scrape users data, but then it turned out a “bug” caused FB to sell everyones data anyway and they made billions more money than they would have.

        I have no doubt a similar “bug” will make its way to the MS servers if one hasnt already.

      • jjjalljs@ttrpg.networkEnglish
        9·
        2 个月前

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie

        A lie is an assertion that is believed to be false, typically used with the purpose of deceiving or misleading someone.[1][2][3] The practice of communicating lies is called lying. A person who communicates a lie may be termed a liar.