people are still content, because it hasnt reached the HCOL or affluent areas at all(trump and friends probably want to avoid the rich areas). the only strike that put the govt at uneasey position was the railroad strikes, since thats a lifeblood of commerce.
I don’t see it discussed much in fediverse channels, and I don’t really know why. Curious to hear what people think of them. But they’re the only group pushing for a general strike that I can think of off the top of my head.
I think its called game theory? Or maybe prisoner dilema. We are afraid that enough of the country is in support of the nazi regime that the strikers will lose their jobs
It’s what everyone is conditioned to think and believe
In reality, if they fight they might lose their jobs …
… if they wait to see what else happens, they’ll probably lose their jobs anyway
You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t … if you do nothing, there is more of a chance of losing everything but if you fight back or at least protest peacefully and disrupt and disobey, there is enough of a chance that you and everyone else will have much more to gain.
some still doesnt think its got to a critical point where its affecting them yet. if your living in HCOL its unlikely people will see the same situation as in illinois
Yes, the individualistic choice is always there, if you can afford it, and manage relationships. Especially if you’re an early target of fascism (in its end, though, everything is a target).
We’re not talking about you specifically, and it detracts from the message and the seriousness of the situation to use your specific situation as possibly representative of the rest of the country. If all people who can would strike, then we would be in a good place. You’re an essential worker. We’re not trying to kill off our elders.
Then get a better ducking message that speaks to the people your are trying to speak to or this is what you are going to be running into again and again and no one’s is going to actually hear what you are saying.
And yes that means start being specific. No one knows specifically what to do. No one knows who specifically can be of help. No one knows how specifically to contribute. No one knows who specifically can be trusted. No one knows why specifically they are being targeted. No one knows who specifically can be of help to them specifically
Bland broad blind comments will yield you absolutely nothing. Do the work and talk TO the people you are actually talking to.
Then keep on talking. Keep repeating your message again and again until little DO know specifically what they CAN do
You are going to have to judge your contribution and involvement for yourself. And if you need a list of reasons to strike, you can check out the general strike website for a pretty good list. My family, my community, and my country are under threat, and that’s where I’m coming from.
We don’t have strong labor unions in this country like they do in many European countries, and we’re needing to build this from the ground up right now. It’s difficult and laborious and time-consuming, and any contribution you can make will be worthwhile. You can go ahead and start organizing in your community without actually striking when the time comes. The point right now is outreach and seeing possibilities of how we can organize together: 3.5% of the population is 11 million people, and not even 400,000 have signed strike cards.
For me, I would show up downtown in my city in a second if I knew there was a critical mass of people who were also going to show up. However, it’s much harder for me to miss work, let alone several days of work, if there’s no guarantee that enough people will be gathered together for us to be considered a fighting force. It’s also not worth it to call a strike in this country if we can’t strike for a sustained amount of time. One day strikes send messages, but don’t force change. This movement needs to be built and planned, and spreading the word about strike cards is one method of doing that.
I think the general strike is the best bet because they’re looking for a reason or excuse to have the military start massacring civilians. I honestly think a widespread peaceful general strike shutting down the economy until the oligarchs cry mercy is our best hope in this situation
Economic power is the basis of all the megaviolence. General strikes recuperate the true source of the power: worker productivity. Do it now before automation makes it moot.
I think the violence will continue (and probably escalate) until the United States of America are split apart. There cannot be one central federal government. Political power must be shifted to the states. Unfortunately, due to historical reasons, not enough people are understanding this yet, because a federal system has worked so well in the past, that it first needs to be proven by Trump that the potential for abuse at the federal level is huge, and only then will the States get their Rights.
Diasgree. With no federal apparatus to guide the force of all 50 states they are weaker on their lonesome and calling aid from one to another is far more burdensome. Besides, red states rely on federal funding from taxes in blue states and would collapse without them. Red states are major crop producers that the blue states consume. Balance of powers is the best bet. It’s not perfect but it’s far superior to dissolving the federal government which would undoubtadly start inter-state and civil wars. Unfortunately, the human propensity for conflict is best utilized in keeping each other in check and is best coupled with rewarding those who suppress suppression and are prepared to employ violence against the violent.
Or, you know, kick the bastards out, and close all the authoritarian loopholes. More democracy, stop subsidizing the fuck out of the rich, move that to education and research. Mandate empiricism in governance.
End US imperialism in favour of multilateral partnerships, especially around the 800 or so military bases in other countries, or else that shit returns home and gets used on Americans. The ship has sailed on being the one superpower. Adapt and evolve.
Myself, I favour smaller polities wherever possible, but given the current lack of an egalitarian basis to start from, breaking the states into countries will be a feast for the oligarchs.
The only way some sort of plan like that works is if we dont change leaders every 4 years. Its going to flip flop back and forth over and over. Unfortunately its far easier and quicker to tear things down than to build them, and so we slide farther down.
There needs to be rules and standards for politicians to be able to participate in politics.
So Americans, you ready to put a stop to this yet?
General strike now. Shut it down. Organize, disrupt, disobey.
Sign your general strike card! It only takes 3.5% of the population to bring the economy to its knees.
This would require the participation of every union in America. They should be the ones leading the effort.
people are still content, because it hasnt reached the HCOL or affluent areas at all(trump and friends probably want to avoid the rich areas). the only strike that put the govt at uneasey position was the railroad strikes, since thats a lifeblood of commerce.
Don’t worry, there will surely be people left to speak up for us when they come for us.
Speaking of, I am a little familiar with this group https://generalstrikeus.com/
I don’t see it discussed much in fediverse channels, and I don’t really know why. Curious to hear what people think of them. But they’re the only group pushing for a general strike that I can think of off the top of my head.
Sure, I’ll just go ahead and lose my job now and deprive my family of food and shelter before the Nazis get a chance to do so.
I’m all for calling out Nazi bullshit, but blanket statements like this help absolutely nobody.
You really think business are going to mass fire people if we have a general strike? Do you even know what that is?
I think its called game theory? Or maybe prisoner dilema. We are afraid that enough of the country is in support of the nazi regime that the strikers will lose their jobs
It’s what everyone is conditioned to think and believe
In reality, if they fight they might lose their jobs …
… if they wait to see what else happens, they’ll probably lose their jobs anyway
You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t … if you do nothing, there is more of a chance of losing everything but if you fight back or at least protest peacefully and disrupt and disobey, there is enough of a chance that you and everyone else will have much more to gain.
some still doesnt think its got to a critical point where its affecting them yet. if your living in HCOL its unlikely people will see the same situation as in illinois
Happy medium: educate and organize, in preparation for the moment.
How about: Move to a country that’s not on the verge of big explosion
Yes, the individualistic choice is always there, if you can afford it, and manage relationships. Especially if you’re an early target of fascism (in its end, though, everything is a target).
It was quite popular in the thirties. Maybe it will be in the 2030’s as well
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Unemployed people be like:
Not gonna happen. Half of the country isn’t aware anything is wrong.
Hell, a good chunk of them are sold on it. Get a perspective outside of a city, or take, I dunno, North Carolina as an example.
The fuck has happened in NC since January? Nothing, and that’s their experience. Same-same, yada-yada. Riot? Why?
There’s a small amount of resistance in rural Tennessee but the general population is hypnotized by fox news.
fox is there to ensure that thier own violent masses(R voters) dont rise up with the "Ds’ to protest/strike, the GOP positions is precarious
Um… I work in elder care. If my team strikes 80+ will die.
We’re not talking about you specifically, and it detracts from the message and the seriousness of the situation to use your specific situation as possibly representative of the rest of the country. If all people who can would strike, then we would be in a good place. You’re an essential worker. We’re not trying to kill off our elders.
Then get a better ducking message that speaks to the people your are trying to speak to or this is what you are going to be running into again and again and no one’s is going to actually hear what you are saying.
And yes that means start being specific. No one knows specifically what to do. No one knows who specifically can be of help. No one knows how specifically to contribute. No one knows who specifically can be trusted. No one knows why specifically they are being targeted. No one knows who specifically can be of help to them specifically
Bland broad blind comments will yield you absolutely nothing. Do the work and talk TO the people you are actually talking to.
Then keep on talking. Keep repeating your message again and again until little DO know specifically what they CAN do
You are going to have to judge your contribution and involvement for yourself. And if you need a list of reasons to strike, you can check out the general strike website for a pretty good list. My family, my community, and my country are under threat, and that’s where I’m coming from.
We don’t have strong labor unions in this country like they do in many European countries, and we’re needing to build this from the ground up right now. It’s difficult and laborious and time-consuming, and any contribution you can make will be worthwhile. You can go ahead and start organizing in your community without actually striking when the time comes. The point right now is outreach and seeing possibilities of how we can organize together: 3.5% of the population is 11 million people, and not even 400,000 have signed strike cards.
For me, I would show up downtown in my city in a second if I knew there was a critical mass of people who were also going to show up. However, it’s much harder for me to miss work, let alone several days of work, if there’s no guarantee that enough people will be gathered together for us to be considered a fighting force. It’s also not worth it to call a strike in this country if we can’t strike for a sustained amount of time. One day strikes send messages, but don’t force change. This movement needs to be built and planned, and spreading the word about strike cards is one method of doing that.
“But how do we change things without any risk or sacrifice?”
Fantastic.
If you’re OK with elderly people starving to death and dying from infected wounds to make a point, you can fuck right off.
I think the general strike is the best bet because they’re looking for a reason or excuse to have the military start massacring civilians. I honestly think a widespread peaceful general strike shutting down the economy until the oligarchs cry mercy is our best hope in this situation
Economic power is the basis of all the megaviolence. General strikes recuperate the true source of the power: worker productivity. Do it now before automation makes it moot.
I think the violence will continue (and probably escalate) until the United States of America are split apart. There cannot be one central federal government. Political power must be shifted to the states. Unfortunately, due to historical reasons, not enough people are understanding this yet, because a federal system has worked so well in the past, that it first needs to be proven by Trump that the potential for abuse at the federal level is huge, and only then will the States get their Rights.
Diasgree. With no federal apparatus to guide the force of all 50 states they are weaker on their lonesome and calling aid from one to another is far more burdensome. Besides, red states rely on federal funding from taxes in blue states and would collapse without them. Red states are major crop producers that the blue states consume. Balance of powers is the best bet. It’s not perfect but it’s far superior to dissolving the federal government which would undoubtadly start inter-state and civil wars. Unfortunately, the human propensity for conflict is best utilized in keeping each other in check and is best coupled with rewarding those who suppress suppression and are prepared to employ violence against the violent.
I’d say that’s a reason to split apart. (slight /s)
They never said 50 states. Plenty are too small to handle themselves. Most of the southeast could all be one state as well just based on culture.
Or, you know, kick the bastards out, and close all the authoritarian loopholes. More democracy, stop subsidizing the fuck out of the rich, move that to education and research. Mandate empiricism in governance.
End US imperialism in favour of multilateral partnerships, especially around the 800 or so military bases in other countries, or else that shit returns home and gets used on Americans. The ship has sailed on being the one superpower. Adapt and evolve.
Myself, I favour smaller polities wherever possible, but given the current lack of an egalitarian basis to start from, breaking the states into countries will be a feast for the oligarchs.
The only way some sort of plan like that works is if we dont change leaders every 4 years. Its going to flip flop back and forth over and over. Unfortunately its far easier and quicker to tear things down than to build them, and so we slide farther down.
There needs to be rules and standards for politicians to be able to participate in politics.
Yes, who’s organizing it and when?
https://generalstrikeus.com/
This has been there for more than six months. They aren’t going to do anything but wave more signs in a couple of weeks. Should work this time.
Who’s fucking idea was it to wait until the 18the of October to do No Kings 2?
I guess this is why the orange turd said this would be a pre-crime… Whatever the fuck that means
They wont. Most are still cheering this on.
too busy reporting on it and saying we need to do something