So where are the bus loads of lawyers? Even with today’s authoritarian reality, that should be an open-shut case. Even if ICE claims they can write their own warrants, there’s no way they’re motivated enough to write one for every unit in a large building. Their laziness trumps their malice
Where are all those GUNS at America???
In the hands of the fascists, just as they’ve always been.
Anarchists and some varities of Communists/Socialists have guns but they’re overwhelmingly outnumbered by Liberals who embraced gun prohibition.
Surreal? No. Horrifying.
How exactly do ICE punks get their authority?
They’re not cops, so how can they detain people?
mostly from not being shot on sight
They arent cops but they do derive their authority the same way cops do: the govt imbues them with that authority.
Noemish mischief
ICE agents are unfortunately cops.
- federal cops
Even worse! :D
From what I’ve read, they’re federal agents and according to US law, local and state police and stuff cannot get in the way of federal or something.
on reddit post, i heard they were dragging out naked children.
So Americans, you ready to put a stop to this yet?
General strike now. Shut it down. Organize, disrupt, disobey.
This would require the participation of every union in America. They should be the ones leading the effort.
people are still content, because it hasnt reached the HCOL or affluent areas at all(trump and friends probably want to avoid the rich areas). the only strike that put the govt at uneasey position was the railroad strikes, since thats a lifeblood of commerce.
Don’t worry, there will surely be people left to speak up for us when they come for us.
Speaking of, I am a little familiar with this group https://generalstrikeus.com/
I don’t see it discussed much in fediverse channels, and I don’t really know why. Curious to hear what people think of them. But they’re the only group pushing for a general strike that I can think of off the top of my head.
Sure, I’ll just go ahead and lose my job now and deprive my family of food and shelter before the Nazis get a chance to do so.
I’m all for calling out Nazi bullshit, but blanket statements like this help absolutely nobody.
You really think business are going to mass fire people if we have a general strike? Do you even know what that is?
I think its called game theory? Or maybe prisoner dilema. We are afraid that enough of the country is in support of the nazi regime that the strikers will lose their jobs
It’s what everyone is conditioned to think and believe
In reality, if they fight they might lose their jobs …
… if they wait to see what else happens, they’ll probably lose their jobs anyway
You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t … if you do nothing, there is more of a chance of losing everything but if you fight back or at least protest peacefully and disrupt and disobey, there is enough of a chance that you and everyone else will have much more to gain.
some still doesnt think its got to a critical point where its affecting them yet. if your living in HCOL its unlikely people will see the same situation as in illinois
Happy medium: educate and organize, in preparation for the moment.
How about: Move to a country that’s not on the verge of big explosion
Yes, the individualistic choice is always there, if you can afford it, and manage relationships. Especially if you’re an early target of fascism (in its end, though, everything is a target).
It was quite popular in the thirties. Maybe it will be in the 2030’s as well
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Unemployed people be like:
Not gonna happen. Half of the country isn’t aware anything is wrong.
Hell, a good chunk of them are sold on it. Get a perspective outside of a city, or take, I dunno, North Carolina as an example.
The fuck has happened in NC since January? Nothing, and that’s their experience. Same-same, yada-yada. Riot? Why?
There’s a small amount of resistance in rural Tennessee but the general population is hypnotized by fox news.
fox is there to ensure that thier own violent masses(R voters) dont rise up with the "Ds’ to protest/strike, the GOP positions is precarious
Um… I work in elder care. If my team strikes 80+ will die.
We’re not talking about you specifically, and it detracts from the message and the seriousness of the situation to use your specific situation as possibly representative of the rest of the country. If all people who can would strike, then we would be in a good place. You’re an essential worker. We’re not trying to kill off our elders.
Then get a better ducking message that speaks to the people your are trying to speak to or this is what you are going to be running into again and again and no one’s is going to actually hear what you are saying.
And yes that means start being specific. No one knows specifically what to do. No one knows who specifically can be of help. No one knows how specifically to contribute. No one knows who specifically can be trusted. No one knows why specifically they are being targeted. No one knows who specifically can be of help to them specifically
Bland broad blind comments will yield you absolutely nothing. Do the work and talk TO the people you are actually talking to.
Then keep on talking. Keep repeating your message again and again until little DO know specifically what they CAN do
You are going to have to judge your contribution and involvement for yourself. And if you need a list of reasons to strike, you can check out the general strike website for a pretty good list. My family, my community, and my country are under threat, and that’s where I’m coming from.
We don’t have strong labor unions in this country like they do in many European countries, and we’re needing to build this from the ground up right now. It’s difficult and laborious and time-consuming, and any contribution you can make will be worthwhile. You can go ahead and start organizing in your community without actually striking when the time comes. The point right now is outreach and seeing possibilities of how we can organize together: 3.5% of the population is 11 million people, and not even 400,000 have signed strike cards.
For me, I would show up downtown in my city in a second if I knew there was a critical mass of people who were also going to show up. However, it’s much harder for me to miss work, let alone several days of work, if there’s no guarantee that enough people will be gathered together for us to be considered a fighting force. It’s also not worth it to call a strike in this country if we can’t strike for a sustained amount of time. One day strikes send messages, but don’t force change. This movement needs to be built and planned, and spreading the word about strike cards is one method of doing that.
“But how do we change things without any risk or sacrifice?”
Fantastic.
If you’re OK with elderly people starving to death and dying from infected wounds to make a point, you can fuck right off.
I think the general strike is the best bet because they’re looking for a reason or excuse to have the military start massacring civilians. I honestly think a widespread peaceful general strike shutting down the economy until the oligarchs cry mercy is our best hope in this situation
Economic power is the basis of all the megaviolence. General strikes recuperate the true source of the power: worker productivity. Do it now before automation makes it moot.
I think the violence will continue (and probably escalate) until the United States of America are split apart. There cannot be one central federal government. Political power must be shifted to the states. Unfortunately, due to historical reasons, not enough people are understanding this yet, because a federal system has worked so well in the past, that it first needs to be proven by Trump that the potential for abuse at the federal level is huge, and only then will the States get their Rights.
Diasgree. With no federal apparatus to guide the force of all 50 states they are weaker on their lonesome and calling aid from one to another is far more burdensome. Besides, red states rely on federal funding from taxes in blue states and would collapse without them. Red states are major crop producers that the blue states consume. Balance of powers is the best bet. It’s not perfect but it’s far superior to dissolving the federal government which would undoubtadly start inter-state and civil wars. Unfortunately, the human propensity for conflict is best utilized in keeping each other in check and is best coupled with rewarding those who suppress suppression and are prepared to employ violence against the violent.
They never said 50 states. Plenty are too small to handle themselves. Most of the southeast could all be one state as well just based on culture.
Besides, red states rely on federal funding from taxes in blue states and would collapse without them.
I’d say that’s a reason to split apart. (slight /s)
Or, you know, kick the bastards out, and close all the authoritarian loopholes. More democracy, stop subsidizing the fuck out of the rich, move that to education and research. Mandate empiricism in governance.
End US imperialism in favour of multilateral partnerships, especially around the 800 or so military bases in other countries, or else that shit returns home and gets used on Americans. The ship has sailed on being the one superpower. Adapt and evolve.
Myself, I favour smaller polities wherever possible, but given the current lack of an egalitarian basis to start from, breaking the states into countries will be a feast for the oligarchs.
The only way some sort of plan like that works is if we dont change leaders every 4 years. Its going to flip flop back and forth over and over. Unfortunately its far easier and quicker to tear things down than to build them, and so we slide farther down.
There needs to be rules and standards for politicians to be able to participate in politics.
Yes, who’s organizing it and when?
This has been there for more than six months. They aren’t going to do anything but wave more signs in a couple of weeks. Should work this time.
Sign your general strike card! It only takes 3.5% of the population to bring the economy to its knees.
Who’s fucking idea was it to wait until the 18the of October to do No Kings 2?
I guess this is why the orange turd said this would be a pre-crime… Whatever the fuck that means
They wont. Most are still cheering this on.
too busy reporting on it and saying we need to do something
This is absolutely insane and highly illegal. The government cannot just kick down a whole apartment building full of doors, enter homes, and arrest people at random without a warrant or exigent circumstances. The law is quite settled on this.
It is insane and highly illegal but following the law is not important to Trump, his regime, or his followers. MAGA doesn’t care when laws they break as long as they get to be bigots
The “law” is being ignored as it was in pre- Nazi Germany when the brown shirts started arresting and beating and intimidating people. There is no law currently.
The big problem is that there IS law: the kind that favors the government. As of right now, people can’t go out and crush some ICE without the courts and police doing something about it.
Laws for thee, never for me
-The Conservative mantra playing out yet again.
See thats the fun part is ICE generates their own warrants without any attorneys or judges involved.
They are literally Gestapo.
Those do not allow entrance in a home ( but they won’t tell you that )
Apparently nobody told them that, either.
This is absolutely insane and highly illegal.
Add it to the list.
“Welcome to City 17”
And y’all think violence isnt the answer? That is literally all their monkey brains can comprehend
Yeah, funny how after the dust is settled, the winners try to convince the losers that the time for violence has passed.
If even a quarter of those doors had someone returning buck shot this would probably be the last ice raid like that.
they are also targeting on blue areas, and not red ones.
Maybe. They would likely call in heavier reinforcement if that became common. Solo fighters stand little chance of making a dent in them even when properly trained and armed. Sadly, that is a situation too many face given so many are so vehemently against violence of any kind. Maybe my ideas are colored by the media and there are more willing to go visceral than the media wants us to believe
These cops are functionallly bullies, it they realized there was real danger it would stop them. They’ve been avoiding anything actually dangerous for a reason. They might be able to call in a swat team for assistance, but it would destroy their ability to do widespread raids if there was legitimate fear for their own safety.
A single child with a gun held dozens of cops at bay for hours after the “heavier reinforcements” showed up.
These people are cowards and are only acting this way because they know they won’t face any resistance.
You’re 100% right.
They’re targeting Democratic cities with large numbers of democratic gun owners because they’re hoping for a confrontation.
It might be inevitable, but I guarantee you they will not back down once you give them what they have been trying to incite.
There’s a reason Miller, Hegseth, and Bondi made an appearance, got all those armed people pumped full of adrenaline, and then literally slipped out the back door yesterday before flying far, far away. They don’t plan on being present on the battlefield for the war they’re creating.
They need people to fight and die while they give orders and watch comfortably from afar like it’s some kind of UFC ultimate match.
Bullshit. If they wanted an armed standoff they’d go to places that have high gun ownership and Stand Your Ground laws.
One of the reasons they are busting into Chicago city apartments id precisely because they know they’re least likely to be armed and anyone defending their property doesn’t have the law on their side.
It’s quite unreal to watch from the outside what’s happening down there. Violence is the only answer.
it always was, but the right through various propaganda, said only protest without violence was the answer.
And what do you expect us to achieve other than getting ourselves killed?
General strike is the only answer.
Then start talking to your neighbours.
“Hey neighbour, it looks like we are in danger, what do you need from me? What are we gonna do when these fucks comes for us, our family and our friends?”
Like stop pretending this can’t happen to anyone at this point. Because it’s not going to get any better anytime soon
Yes, this exactly.
If we can take any of them down with us, then it’s still a success.
Casualties are part of war.
If you make martyrs you aren’t advancing the cause.
So you know an appropriate answer yet here we are seeing nothing.
You have no idea what I’m doing. Get off your high horse.
This would make Trump really happy.
This, and Epstein is why he’s doing this shit: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-approval-rating-hits-record-low-for-second-term-10815700
Yeah? Well I say we make him cream his diaper. It’s way past time to fight fire with fire. Give them what they seem to crave. The current response is not sufficient.
ICE Is Terrorizing Chicago. We Can Stand Up To Them
they are bringing in snipers too.
I am so frustrated that there are not more views on that video. I’m sharing it everywhere. That shit should be fucking viral.
They control what goes viral.
I hate the fact that the international community is just sitting by because it’s an internal affair and only speaking up about trade issues, etc… That’s what gave Nazi Germany carte blanche to do it’s thing leading up to 39.
Every sane country on earth needs to be embargoing the fuck out of the U.S., not just for their own sake, but for the sake of forcing the American political establishment to deal with their own fascist problem or become a paraiah on the world stage.
International community is used to USA being the empire of evil. We’re interested if USians experience it themselves, will they change for the better or civil war splint USA?
Those list USA being evil:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_atrocity_crimes
Those list USA spreading evil
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intelligence_operations_abroad
I think its missing stuff like Operation Gladio and such, but I don’t want to overwhelm you with links.
And that only is about US government direct crimes, it doesn’t even touch what USA corporations do outside USA.
Yeah but the problem is he didn’t achieve power by some manipulation of the vote at least not primarily he achieved it by getting a bunch of Americans to vote for him. A bunch of stupid ignorant Americans wearing silly hats voted for him.
Shy of any evidence to say otherwise he is the democratically elected leader of the United States. All the countries can’t be setting the precedent that if they don’t like a particular leader they will assist in their downfall.
Besides if Europe playes it’s cards right it’s about to become the economic superpower of the world. The current economic superpower appears to be continuously blowing their own feet off and giggling.
All the countries can’t be setting the precedent that if they don’t like a particular leader they will assist in their downfall.
Yeah, only we can do that.
I would be mightily surprised if our european brown noser in charge have plans for overtaking the USA. Maybe France, but Germany and UK looks like we can’t even resist Trump a bit or the leading parties even try to emulate him. Which will lead to the same problems here. And afterwards everybody was in the resistance. Again.
Yeah. That’s very true. I hadn’t thought about it that way. Thanks for giving me something to think about.
Hitler was votes in. So was Mussolini. Kind of.
1800 people have already been “lost track of” (read: murdered until proven otherwise) in the Everglades concentration camp.
That’s because they’re not willing to piss off Trump. He’s unstable, belligerent, and hostile - all while commanding the world’s largest military and that stupid tariff hammer. It’s easier for them to look the other way the same as with the Gaza genocide. They might retroactively call it out when it no longer threatens backlash for them to do it.
If only the days of invading a fully militarized country were still on the table. You can’t look at this like it’s 1939. With nukes now being a thing no one wants to get involved because it will end in total destruction. America is over, a failed experiment in self governance. In all honesty USA should be broken up into 50 SEPERATE countries. There needs to be a plan in place for this to come to fruition, or its over for you guys. All of you seem to actively hate everyone else in your country.
More like 7-10 countries based on a combination of bioregions, cultural zones, and remaining indigenous communities. Many (most?) US states aren’t developed or densely populated enough to function as independent nations as they currently exist.
I’d start with: Cascadia, California-Nevada, the Southwest (UT/CO/AZ/NM), the Midwest, Texas-Oklahoma, the Confederate States (minus Texas), Yankee (NY, NJ, PA), and New England.
We (New England) will take the damn Yankees, so we’ll have our own southern yokels to look down on. Besides, the only important games in baseball are Red Sox vs Yankees: we’d have the entire major league (that anyone cares about). /s
50 countries is wild lmao
balkanization is what its called, maybe not into 50 countries, but allies of the blue ones against the red ones.
I feel like the US did that once before 🤔
Wtf is going on? This is like Israel war in our own highly populated cities
That’s because both Israel and the USA are run by fascists.
That’s what palantir and oracle were practicing for
It’s called the Imperial Boomerang.
Yes Palestine is a laberatory. Everything learnt there is exported back to the US and EU.
This is just my own speculation, but I think we are seeing a new group of techbros, for lack of a better term, jostle for their seat at the table. We as a nation have refused to expand our positions of power even though we’ve grown in size. For example, we have a capped number of Senators.
We’ve funneled so much new money into the hands of these tech elite they have near run out of places to spend it. So we have multiple private space companies, a booming apocalypse bunker industry, and why not buy a few representatives as well. My point is a bunch of Ayn Rand 1950s sci-fi loving man children who control resources as vast as they do present a terrible condition for democracy and human rights. We are just watching this power struggle between the old guard and the new kids play out in real time. And the women, immigrants, and LGBTQ+ communities are the first to be rounded up this time.
It’s because Taco is a domestic enemy, probably put there by Russian influence. He’s effectively having the nation punch itself in the nuts.
Arm yourselves and everyone you know. Maintain networks. Communicate via encrypted messaging apps.
Be careful about trusting others.
The US government are professionals at infiltrating organized resistance.
I kind of agree. I think we’re at the point if you get kidnapped you’re dead already so prevent your loved ones from getting disappeared if you can.
Invest in LoRa for communication. Like 30$ per person to get a mesh going
It is definitely “well regulated malitia” time. start forming a group locally. make plans. have each other backs.
I’m thinking ICE was not given all that funding for nothing. They were probably already over-funded even before this year, and now they have multiples of what they had before.
Ghouls like Stephen Miller want to see that money spent on inflicting pain on others…
they just needed enough bodies, just incase people werent into targeting citizens.
If you want this to stop, the city/county/state needs to bring felony breaking and entering + kidnapping charges to every individual who approved this and carried it out. And like tomorrow or as soon as humanly possible.
The kinds of people who carry these operations out do not have empathy and will only change their behavior by force. A big list of felony counts and lawyer’s fees might make them pause and reconsider.
They can just arrest/hold anyone who is not outwardly displaying credentials. The feds can bail them out, assuming they have proof… Then you start the whole process again tomorrow.
