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        that’s in effect in Germany? They tried instating it here in Spain but Corruption industrial complex didn’t let it through

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          Not for all. But some of the big unions have them, so a lot of people get them, but not the majority of workers.

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            Nope, only in the good unions (IG Metall for me). Please support your union! Just pay the fuck up, it’s the only thing stopping these disgusting rich pigs from completely exploiting you.

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      30 days of paid holiday per year is unfathomable to me. I wish we had that here.

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      “only” 20 of those by law, though. Most employers will give you more than that, but it’s not guaranteed

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        Depends on the amount of hours.

        In Belgium, if you work 40 hours instead of the regular 38 hours, you get 12 extra paid vacation days (ADV) on top of the 20 regular ones.

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          Not in Germany. The amount of vacation is based on the amount of days you work, not the hours. The goal is that everyone should be able to take at least a total of 4 weeks off per year. That means you get 20 days of vacation if you work a regular 5 day week. If you work a 6 day week, you get 24, but that is pretty unusual.

          So, if you work fewer hours, that only matters for your vacation if those hours are also done across fewer days. If you only work 10 hours a week, but spread them across all five days, you still need 5 days to take an entire week off, so you still get the 20 days.

          But anyway most employers will give you closer to 30 anyway, so the legal minimum usually only matters when it comes to things like transferring to the next year or paying out untaken vacation, because the rules differ there between mandatory and additional vacation days

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    In Poland these are common too. I fail to understand why someone would not install these windows in the first place

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        We have these windows, they are 35 years old and were most certainly not the first of this kind.

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          Yeah these windows already existed when wooden frames without seals and single panes were the standard. My grandmas house has them so basically at least for 50-60 years. There is no excuse not to have these windows other than cost savings. (Or non availablity or preference i guess…)

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      That was my thought when I was living in Denmark. Why would You have windows that open horizontally to the outside in a country where it rains almost every day, when You can have these.

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          I guess. Over here its more common to have the screen on the interrior to make the screens easier to replace and/or clean. Here, it’s common for houses to have a 2nd or even 3rd floor so it’s not always easy to be able to access the screen from the outside.

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            I have screens on my 3rd floor windows. Mine are attached to the window frame with long thin velcro strips but I think there’s other systems as well.

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              Mine have hinges that open, you can remove them by pushing up to remove from the hinges. My parents have one with magnets, but i don’t recommend it. The magnets get rusty, and they aren’t that well attached, some screens fell and broke with stronger wind.

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                For american ones where you have a screen on the inside I have seen crank handles to push window out, or some have a tiny screen door in the screen you can open to reach the window latches, then close the tiny access door. It looks stupid, but it does work

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                  I think those are casement windows which are similar I think but not the same as tilt and turn windows.

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              I’m guessing that that is more annoying to operate. What is common here are casement windows which are operated with a hand crank so you dont have to remove the screen each time you need to open or close the window.

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            You can still have the screen on the inside with these tiltable windows…

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              I cant see how without needing to remove the screen each time. I probably need to see a picture.

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                I have a removable screen with one of these windows. The window opens inwards, the screen basically clicks into the window frame from the inside and sits between the window itself and the frame. So the screen sits outside the window, but you can easily remove it from inside. You just open the window and pull the screen out of the window frame.

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                I have an insect screen which can be glued to the inside like so:

                (There’s a white velcro strip already there, which you glue on before this step.)

                But yeah, it isn’t a given that it fits there. I have an ancient window, where they didn’t use plastic or rubber yet, so they tried to seal the window by having it contact right where you’d glue the insect screen and then it obviously doesn’t fit in between (I tried 🫠).

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          Did some quick research. It seems pretty difficult to install screens on these for some reason. So that’s probably why these are not common where I live.

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            Weird research you did there, we have screens, even different types and they take 5 min to install. Hardest part is cutting it to size.

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    I lived in Germany for several years and moved to the U.S. and purchased a “fixer-upper” home. On the docket for replacement were the windows. To make a long story short, the cost of replacing every window on the house with a normal American window was within ~$1k of the price of a single “German” window. The cost to replace all of the windows with the German style was nearly the total price of the home itself.

    So yeah, I would love to have those windows, but they’re not made or at least readily available in US markets.

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      This. I have these windows in one room in the US because I installed them myself. IDK if they are significantly cheaper in Germany, but for the price to have one professionally installed in the US I could have actually replaced the entire wall with floor to ceiling windows.

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        Just checked a local factory, 50x50cm is 100 € for a regular window and 200 € to open both ways (entry level PVC, not including installation).

        All in all it’s not unheard of for bigger jobs to be south of 1000 €/window for professional installation, though you can get them for half that if you know the right contractors.

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      You can do the same with American windows–spend the cost of an entire house replacing your windows.

      Andersen and Pella windows.

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    Don’t forget the mode where it’s anchored only in one corner and you freak out because you feel it will fall out any moment despite you know it won’t

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    For why these are superior:

    Fully open mode = big hole for air go thru.

    Slanty mode = very windy ez, rainy ez, rainy and very windy… just close window.

    But, the innovation I miss more than the windows were the roller shutters.

    First of all, light blocking. Forget blackout curtains or something, just roll down the shutters and no light is getting in. If you work nights or something, you can block the sun completely and sleep in the dark. Along with that, the light is being blocked while it’s still outside. Why does that matter? Light means heat. In summer you don’t want the heat inside. Block it at the shutter and it doesn’t come inside to heat the inside of the house. Compare that with blinds, curtains, etc. In that case, the light has already entered the house before it hits something and heats it up. With white curtains you’ll reflect a lot of the light back out, but you’re still heating the interior of the house. They also reduce noise, add security, protect in bad storms, etc. But, to me, blocking the light and keeping the heat out was so much more important.

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      Ich will zu Dort gehen

      Fr though I hate my shitty apartment blinds so much. It’s midnight with the lights off and blinds closed amd I can read next to the windows

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    Guys, this doesn’t exist only in Germany.

    source: I live in Eastern Europe and we have such superior window design.

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    My father was a sales & marketing executive for a window company in Germany. You can prepare for a long rant whenever he sees “those dreadful sliding windows” in a TV show from the US or Great Britain. Like every time. 😅

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      Me, being smug about how I can have a bookshelf on both sides of the window and still open it fully without a large piece of glass protruding into the room:

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        But how can you stoßlüften your room efficiently without opening the whole area of the window?

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      They are all one window. You turn the handle in different directions to get it to do different things. The “normal” one is just shut and locked

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          Haha yeah, my b. Most windows in NA just open up and down. If you are lucky, it will have a little release for it to open inward for cleaning, but I dont think its supposed to be used in that orientation. Doesnt seem sturdy

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    I always wonder why are they associated with Germany. Aren’t they the standard in most of central Europe? We’ve had them in Poland since the 90s.

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      Because they were invented in Germany. But yes, they are the standard in most of Europe now, in some countries they are known as European windows

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    The handles of the current generation German windows even have a 45 degree position; the window is then opened on a tiny slid.

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      Wait, doors can do that too? I have to try this on our door (I think it’s the same model as our window), so it might work.

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        Yep. Had it 30 years and it confuses all that come to it for some reason. Yet it’s so simple. Handle in the middle like a regular handle opens it normally. Handle up opens it in tilt.

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        Yeah, my patio door did that when I lived in Switzerland. It was very confusing for visitors who moved the handle the wrong way.

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        Some do, have one that does it, was useful once because I locked myself out of the house and was able to reach in and open that door from the outside.

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    These types of window are great until you want to get AC in a rental & realize that you now need to attach 1-2 hoses to them whilst also getting a good seal. Then you’d actually prefer the American style slide-up windows (ask me how I know) :/