Yeah, okay it’s bad and we 100% knew they were going to do things like this but Harris could have been interpreted to be transphobic, so. That’s why we had to have this, apparently.
Replacing First-past-the-post voting will allow 3rd parties to exist without a spoiler effect.
Any chance you can explain why supposed democracy advocates in the democratic party refuse to pass electoral reform in blue states? (All while wailing and moaning about 3rd parties and the spoiler effect every election)
You’re arguing against a position that literally nobody holds. It’s very impressive how much more intellectually superior you are to a bundle of straw. It’s very impressive and you should be proud.
Weaken and divide the left like screaming Harris supports genocide?
Sure, sure. Whatever you gotta tell yourself. As if it’s not going to happen again in less than one year. We’ll see how you strengthen and support the left then.
Weaken and divide the left like screaming Harris supports genocide?
Ah, so not only should they have voted for Harris, they should have been silent about the administration’s support of genocide. Even now, in retrospect, as everyone agrees that the genocide is a fact.
Clearly, someone so morally bankrupt as to feel the need to communicate their disgust at their candidate over such an insignificant issue as genocide should be subjected to, at every opportunity, public shaming, derision, and mocking.
It’s more important than they should feel ashamed now that their taking a stand over genocide had its own, worse consequences. I’m sure that, instead of putting them on the defensive and pushing them away, it will ensure they feel warm and fuzzy feelings for they next milquetoast candidate that refuses to take a stand on genocide. They’ll vote for them now, for sure.
Also, I love how everyone assumes I’m defending myself when I give people shit for being unable to move on. These people aren’t idiots. These people feel betrayed and hopeless. Explaining the way the game works is infinitely more productive than blame and derision.
Explaining the way the game works is infinitely more productive than blame and derision.
The way the game works is the person with the most electoral college votes wins the presidency and the party that controls Congress controls the country.
You want to pretend this was some grand gesture against one particular genocide, go ahead. It wasn’t, except in some people’s minds. The stakes were obviously descent into a fascist state or not and they couldn’t be arsed to even vote. These people are idiots.
The way the game works is the person with the most electoral college votes wins the presidency and the party that controls Congress controls the country.
That’s not the game they are trying to play. I think you know this and you are, unsurprisingly, arguing in bad faith.
“The game”, in this case, is to influence politics. Perhaps to get the Democrats to take a firm stance on Israel’s genocide, to get them to push for more progressive policies, to get them to be as inclusive as they claim to be, to get them to be more democratic in their selection of leadership, something else, or a combination of some or all of these things.
You want to pretend this was some grand gesture against one particular genocide, go ahead.
It was many things, like frustration about any or all of the things I mentioned above. It was not a grand gesture. It was desperate flailing of a demoralized subset of people.
You sound like you just want to feel superior. You sound like you are rightly upset by the current situation and are looking for answers and someone to blame. It seems counter productive, if you want things to get better.
It’s been a motherfucking year and we’re needed in the voting booths again. Do you want these “idiots” to sit out again or do you want them to back the not-fascists and maybe steer the country a bit toward sanity?
Honestly, I suspect many of you people who won’t fucking get over it are actually just fascists trying to stir shit up and discourage people from voting.
Isn’t it? You seem to know more about “them” than i do.
. . . to get them to be more democratic in their selection of leadership, something else, or a combination of some or all of these things.
And how would they be in a position to do any of those things, for good or ill? I reiterate that it’s via the electoral methods I mentioned.
It was desperate flailing of a demoralized subset of people.
It was self-sabotage, pure and simple. There was never any other outcome possible.
It’s been a motherfucking year and we’re needed in the voting booths again.
Indeed. Any why the fuck has it been a motherfucking year? It’s a goddamned mystery isn’t it! Holy shit if only someone could have fucking forseen it!
Do you want these “idiots” to sit out again or do you want them to back the not-fascists and maybe steer the country a bit toward sanity?
If these idiots are true to form they will fail us again regardless of who or what is offered. Because where we are is exactly where everyone said we would and it mattered sweet fuckall to them.
Honestly, I suspect many of you people who won’t fucking get over it are actually just fascists trying to stir shit up and discourage people from voting.
Certainly I have been called that and worse - *gasp* bourgeoise! - for demanding Americans who are eligible to vote do so because it’s their right, their privilege, and their duty to do so. And if that discourages people from voting, I don’t know what to tell you.
And how would they be in a position to do any of those things, for good or ill? I reiterate that it’s via the electoral methods I mentioned.
Your view of politics is extremely narrow and simple or you’re continuing to argue in bad faith. Campaigns don’t happen in a vacuum and suddenly you’re handed a ballot.
Holy shit if only someone could have fucking forseen it!
You missed my point entirely. My point is you are beating a dead horse and achieving nothing, save for maybe making yourself feel superior?
And if that discourages people from voting, I don’t know what to tell you.
There’s nothing to say. You listen about as well as you think “those idiots” listen and you appear incapable of empathy or compassion. There’s no point in discussing this any further.
My view of political elections is very practical. The sloganeering, ads, gaffes, and endorsements are done. There’s only the actual mechanics of it left.
And that horse is far from dead. Go to the progressivepolitics comm and see for yourself. We’ve got one year left to carry a majority in one or more houses. However that’s supposed to happen, it needs to happen.
You listen about as well as you think “those idiots” listen and you appear incapable of empathy or compassion. There’s no point in discussing this any further.
I have no idea what you think is supposed to happen to help the situation but if it doesn’t involve soundly defeating republicans then you might as well be living in a fascist hellscape which is what we said this time last year to the jeering jabbering of those who were too pure to vote Harris. It’s extremely fucking simple.
I’m not condoning the game as it currently exists but we do have to live in the aftermath. Given that fact, there are optimal ways to play the game, like voting for the lesser evil when the alternative is clearly much worse.
I don’t think anyone who abstained from voting for Harris in 2024 made the right move, but I empathize with anyone who became fed up with the game and just sat out or tried to use their third party vote or something to send a message. There are ways to improve the game but they are, admittedly, very difficult to pull off and it can be demoralizing when it doesn’t work out, over and over. What I think they don’t understand is that the Dem leadership won’t get the kind of message that people sent in 2024 - leadership is too isolated and the message was too muddled.
Big, organized grassroots movements, like Mamdani’s in NYC are what is needed. The party leadership will need to be dragged kicking and screaming, possibly primaried and ousted, for things to get better. It’s way too easy to be the less-conservative-billionaire-funded minority opposition party and just campaign on that while only marginally pushing for change that the billionaires can agree on.
Sure, let’s blame the voters for the absolute shitshow of the Democrats accidentally putting up yet another candidate with little appeal to voters.
I voted against Trump all three times voting for candidates I didn’t think deserved to be the nominee, let alone president. I’m sick to my fucking stomach of being force fed awful corporate Democrats and given zero choice to vote my actual conscience. So with all due respect - which is none - this sentiment can go fuck itself. I did my part, now you fucking do yours and stop blaming others for the failures of your group.
The voters are absolutely to blame! They voted against their most basic interested and voted for the guy that satisfied their immediate made up anger. Why vote for trump if you barely survine on food stamps but hate the gays? Because somehow hating the gays was more important. Why vite for trump if you are part of a minority group and aren’t quite well documented to live in us? Because you drank the flavour water that it will be trump who will make your life even more amazing. Not the fact that living and working there is what made your life better.
Voters are absolutely to blame! Stuck to your phones in this algorithmic shitstorm you got fed the story that you being poor is not because of people like trump but because your gay black Latino neighbor somehow seems to have a less shitier life than you. Because you, the American voter, must wake up! You live in a shit system (your country is amazing and I wish I will be able to visit it again some day) that doesn’t exist anywhere else around the world. Your so called freedom to not care about most common sense rules of a modern society are not worth the struggle you live every day in the best of times. You need free healthcare, you need safe and free education for your children, you need protection against harmful working condition and much much more.
I really hope that you will still get a chance to vote these fuckers out and you will have woken up by then. Take this from someone living in a country that has been under the communist boot for more than 40 years!
You don’t even live here? We get enough of this shit from people here, don’t need it from you too. The Democratic Party is to blame for their own failures. They know how to win elections and refuse to do so because they don’t really care. Don’t blame the voters for not being inspired to vote for the shittiest alternative when they know there were better options that we never had a say in. Kamala was not actually nominated by the people, and the Democratic Party has been spreading the kind of bullshit propaganda you’re touting to blame the people they’ve been disenfranchising for years.
We got four years of Democratic control and nothing of substance was done to prevent any of this. This is a lot more nuanced than one single election, and your comment is literally what bad faith actors write to stir conflict on the left because it mimics the actual disenfranchisement of the left. So if you truly care like you say you do, stop spreading Democratic Party propaganda.
Bro, your whole demeanor here is why the world thinks we deserve this. You’re fucking here, blaming Democrats for what republicans are doing. That’s fucking stupid. Americans failed an open book test to stop retarded Hitler. Americans largely deserve the derision, even the leftists and progressives that were trying to stop this. That includes me, and it includes you too. Propaganda ain’t an excuse. I’m dumb as fuck and still wasn’t manipulated by it, because all it takes to see through is the barest cunt-hair of intellectual curiosity which the overwhelming majority of us Americans fundamentally lack.
Oh they are absolutely to blame! You had to vote between one guy who told you exactly what he will do and a chick who did not say the words you wanted to hear but was not going to touch what you barely had. Of course you go with the guy!
You think you are unique ? Other countries have this too. Shit we had the same a while ago. One guy wanted to take us out of eu and NATO and throw us back to Russian hands and the other guy. We voted for the other guy! We want eu and NATO and all the rest. We had Russia before and no more. Who cares we didn’t really liked the guy.
When was the last time your people voted to nominate someone and not have someone shoved down your throat? This time was no different .
I didn’t vote for Trump. And you don’t seem to have a good idea of just how bad corporate Democrats are. It’s not “they won’t touch what we have” it’s “they’ll give it away in less visible ways,” often through inaction when action is possible, necessary, and begged for by the people. They are not an opposition to the Republicans, they’re complicit.
Our biggest fight is trying to convince apathetic nonvoters to vote, and apathetic voters to actually vote against this system in the primaries. Your messaging is hurting the latter, so please stop.
So you voted for what? The guy who got 3% of the vote? Let’s not pretend that any vote not for a democratic candidate isn’t a wasted vote. The last person to win from neither major party was back in 1848… so if you voted for a libertarian or the Green Party or whatever other hopeless party then you are just as bad as a trump voter. Democrats aren’t perfect, far from it, but if you didn’t want Trump to win, you would vote Democrat, period. They’re the only ones who have a legitimate shot at winning against Trump, or any republican really. Sadly that’s what politics is in this country, you don’t vote for the best person for the job. You vote to keep tyrannical psychopaths out of office.
The one with the comment that started with aggressively blaming people dissatisfied with the Democratic Party out of absolutely nowhere? Sure am, I’m tired as fuck of this narrative and it only serves to further alienate voters that need to be heard for the first time in decades.
You know what? I’m done. These losers can have it. Kamala Harris was infallible and her stance on Palestine was completely acceptable. Joey Biden’s neoliberal presidency where he did nothing to prevent this was as strong as it could have been. It is 100% time to beat down on voters who felt hopeless already because how dare they.
Lol, right? A comment that effectively amounted to “Trump mentioned --> scapegoat progressives” draws no attention but me calling out the bullshit of that comment draws out all the sycophants who can’t stomach an ounce of blame. I’m tired of this shit.
Even if I didn’t, my opinion would still be valid. Are left wing folks who don’t align with corporate Democrats a large enough group to influence elections, or small enough not to matter?
If the former, you need to work with us and refusing to do so is a failure of the Democratic party and its base. If the latter, then you are no better than a playground bully beating up a weaker kid because they lost a different fight.
If the former, you need to work with us and refusing to do so is a failure of the Democratic party and its base.
A failure of its base? 70 million people failed? Well goddamn.
And also bullshit. The choice was fascism or not and a shit ton of likely well-meaning but seriously wrong shitheads decided now was the time for a protest (non) vote.
We all want better candidates, no shit. But not voting or pissing away one’s vote on a Putin-licker like Jill Stein or a write-in is not just idiocy, it’s unconscionable. And there were a lot of them parading through here last year, deigning to lecture us bourgeoise on our moral failings. So fuck them. They fucked up and they need to know it.
What if everyone who voted for Kamala was wrong? What if 70 million people were right and everyone should have just voted for someone else? After all this is a democracy?
If you can’t tell I’m being purposefully idiotic because your opinion is dumber than shit and I think you deserve to be treated as such.
Refusing to hold the Democratic Party accountable is enabling the behavior that leads to those piss-poor candidates.
It’s absolutely a failure of the base that spends all of their energy blaming the people they need to be working with, and then getting all angry when those people feel too alienated to vote with them.
Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016 fucked up and they need to know it.
Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016 fucked up and they need to know it.
Im hope im wrong, but i feel now more then ever democrats dont feel the need to listen to anyone but their donors. Because what are you gonna do, vote republican? The Trump stove is bright hot and people are willing to do anything to remove their hand at all costs, even if it means putting the burnt flesh in a pile of shit.
Literal hostage situation. The costs are sunk, the walls are up. there will be no democracy, just commands from our “betters”. Stop resisting or else yous gets the republicans again
Refusing to hold the Democratic Party accountable is enabling the behavior that leads to those piss-poor candidates.
Define that.
blaming the people they need to be working with
The people who can’t be bothered to defeat a demented rapist with nuclear codes? Wow i can’t wait to do whatever they say. They seem really smart. Clearly the fast track to progress.
Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016
Because they didn’t vote for themselves? The choice was insanity or a flawed candidate that would get us to the next rung. Propaganda won the day as it does when the fourth estate fails catastrophically.
No absolutely every voter counts, what I’m getting at is voting for people who obviously aren’t going to win is a thrown away vote. A vote democrats COULD use. Idk how much more I can work with you. I vote in big and small elections, which is sadly more than I can say for a lot of people.
I realize that, but their wording leaves it open to interpretation like maybe they didn’t vote democrat at all. In which case nothing they say is valid imo.
That’s completely at odds with this comment I’m replying to.
How so? Are you suggesting I go try to convert Trump voters? I see you trying to make a point but maybe you could help me see what the point is you’re trying to make here.
Yeah, okay it’s bad and we 100% knew they were going to do things like this but Harris could have been interpreted to be transphobic, so. That’s why we had to have this, apparently.
Replacing First-past-the-post voting will allow 3rd parties to exist without a spoiler effect.
Any chance you can explain why supposed democracy advocates in the democratic party refuse to pass electoral reform in blue states? (All while wailing and moaning about 3rd parties and the spoiler effect every election)
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
STAR voting
Alternative vote
Ranked Choice voting
Range Voting
Single Transferable Vote
Mixed Member Proportional representation
The only advocates in office that support ranked choice are in the Democratic party.
Because unlike the GQP it is not a monolithic entity.
You’re arguing against a position that literally nobody holds. It’s very impressive how much more intellectually superior you are to a bundle of straw. It’s very impressive and you should be proud.
I mean, for being dead wrong that’s decent snark.
Another immature, sniveling shit-bird that would rather weaken and divide the left than move on like an adult.
Weaken and divide the left like screaming Harris supports genocide?
Sure, sure. Whatever you gotta tell yourself. As if it’s not going to happen again in less than one year. We’ll see how you strengthen and support the left then.
Ah, so not only should they have voted for Harris, they should have been silent about the administration’s support of genocide. Even now, in retrospect, as everyone agrees that the genocide is a fact.
Clearly, someone so morally bankrupt as to feel the need to communicate their disgust at their candidate over such an insignificant issue as genocide should be subjected to, at every opportunity, public shaming, derision, and mocking.
It’s more important than they should feel ashamed now that their taking a stand over genocide had its own, worse consequences. I’m sure that, instead of putting them on the defensive and pushing them away, it will ensure they feel warm and fuzzy feelings for they next milquetoast candidate that refuses to take a stand on genocide. They’ll vote for them now, for sure.
Also, I love how everyone assumes I’m defending myself when I give people shit for being unable to move on. These people aren’t idiots. These people feel betrayed and hopeless. Explaining the way the game works is infinitely more productive than blame and derision.
The way the game works is the person with the most electoral college votes wins the presidency and the party that controls Congress controls the country.
You want to pretend this was some grand gesture against one particular genocide, go ahead. It wasn’t, except in some people’s minds. The stakes were obviously descent into a fascist state or not and they couldn’t be arsed to even vote. These people are idiots.
That’s not the game they are trying to play. I think you know this and you are, unsurprisingly, arguing in bad faith.
“The game”, in this case, is to influence politics. Perhaps to get the Democrats to take a firm stance on Israel’s genocide, to get them to push for more progressive policies, to get them to be as inclusive as they claim to be, to get them to be more democratic in their selection of leadership, something else, or a combination of some or all of these things.
It was many things, like frustration about any or all of the things I mentioned above. It was not a grand gesture. It was desperate flailing of a demoralized subset of people.
You sound like you just want to feel superior. You sound like you are rightly upset by the current situation and are looking for answers and someone to blame. It seems counter productive, if you want things to get better.
It’s been a motherfucking year and we’re needed in the voting booths again. Do you want these “idiots” to sit out again or do you want them to back the not-fascists and maybe steer the country a bit toward sanity?
Honestly, I suspect many of you people who won’t fucking get over it are actually just fascists trying to stir shit up and discourage people from voting.
Isn’t it? You seem to know more about “them” than i do.
And how would they be in a position to do any of those things, for good or ill? I reiterate that it’s via the electoral methods I mentioned.
It was self-sabotage, pure and simple. There was never any other outcome possible.
Indeed. Any why the fuck has it been a motherfucking year? It’s a goddamned mystery isn’t it! Holy shit if only someone could have fucking forseen it!
If these idiots are true to form they will fail us again regardless of who or what is offered. Because where we are is exactly where everyone said we would and it mattered sweet fuckall to them.
Certainly I have been called that and worse - *gasp* bourgeoise! - for demanding Americans who are eligible to vote do so because it’s their right, their privilege, and their duty to do so. And if that discourages people from voting, I don’t know what to tell you.
Your view of politics is extremely narrow and simple or you’re continuing to argue in bad faith. Campaigns don’t happen in a vacuum and suddenly you’re handed a ballot.
You missed my point entirely. My point is you are beating a dead horse and achieving nothing, save for maybe making yourself feel superior?
There’s nothing to say. You listen about as well as you think “those idiots” listen and you appear incapable of empathy or compassion. There’s no point in discussing this any further.
My view of political elections is very practical. The sloganeering, ads, gaffes, and endorsements are done. There’s only the actual mechanics of it left.
And that horse is far from dead. Go to the progressivepolitics comm and see for yourself. We’ve got one year left to carry a majority in one or more houses. However that’s supposed to happen, it needs to happen.
I have no idea what you think is supposed to happen to help the situation but if it doesn’t involve soundly defeating republicans then you might as well be living in a fascist hellscape which is what we said this time last year to the jeering jabbering of those who were too pure to vote Harris. It’s extremely fucking simple.
“Vote for me or else”
The words of an abusive spouse essentially.
I’m not condoning the game as it currently exists but we do have to live in the aftermath. Given that fact, there are optimal ways to play the game, like voting for the lesser evil when the alternative is clearly much worse.
I don’t think anyone who abstained from voting for Harris in 2024 made the right move, but I empathize with anyone who became fed up with the game and just sat out or tried to use their third party vote or something to send a message. There are ways to improve the game but they are, admittedly, very difficult to pull off and it can be demoralizing when it doesn’t work out, over and over. What I think they don’t understand is that the Dem leadership won’t get the kind of message that people sent in 2024 - leadership is too isolated and the message was too muddled.
Big, organized grassroots movements, like Mamdani’s in NYC are what is needed. The party leadership will need to be dragged kicking and screaming, possibly primaried and ousted, for things to get better. It’s way too easy to be the less-conservative-billionaire-funded minority opposition party and just campaign on that while only marginally pushing for change that the billionaires can agree on.
Sure, let’s blame the voters for the absolute shitshow of the Democrats accidentally putting up yet another candidate with little appeal to voters.
I voted against Trump all three times voting for candidates I didn’t think deserved to be the nominee, let alone president. I’m sick to my fucking stomach of being force fed awful corporate Democrats and given zero choice to vote my actual conscience. So with all due respect - which is none - this sentiment can go fuck itself. I did my part, now you fucking do yours and stop blaming others for the failures of your group.
Imagine admitting you can’t tell the difference between corporate Democratics and literal nazi republicans. Embarrassing and sad.
When did I say that? I voted for one of those two over the other. My comment was clear about that.
The voters are absolutely to blame! They voted against their most basic interested and voted for the guy that satisfied their immediate made up anger. Why vote for trump if you barely survine on food stamps but hate the gays? Because somehow hating the gays was more important. Why vite for trump if you are part of a minority group and aren’t quite well documented to live in us? Because you drank the flavour water that it will be trump who will make your life even more amazing. Not the fact that living and working there is what made your life better.
Voters are absolutely to blame! Stuck to your phones in this algorithmic shitstorm you got fed the story that you being poor is not because of people like trump but because your gay black Latino neighbor somehow seems to have a less shitier life than you. Because you, the American voter, must wake up! You live in a shit system (your country is amazing and I wish I will be able to visit it again some day) that doesn’t exist anywhere else around the world. Your so called freedom to not care about most common sense rules of a modern society are not worth the struggle you live every day in the best of times. You need free healthcare, you need safe and free education for your children, you need protection against harmful working condition and much much more.
I really hope that you will still get a chance to vote these fuckers out and you will have woken up by then. Take this from someone living in a country that has been under the communist boot for more than 40 years!
You don’t even live here? We get enough of this shit from people here, don’t need it from you too. The Democratic Party is to blame for their own failures. They know how to win elections and refuse to do so because they don’t really care. Don’t blame the voters for not being inspired to vote for the shittiest alternative when they know there were better options that we never had a say in. Kamala was not actually nominated by the people, and the Democratic Party has been spreading the kind of bullshit propaganda you’re touting to blame the people they’ve been disenfranchising for years.
We got four years of Democratic control and nothing of substance was done to prevent any of this. This is a lot more nuanced than one single election, and your comment is literally what bad faith actors write to stir conflict on the left because it mimics the actual disenfranchisement of the left. So if you truly care like you say you do, stop spreading Democratic Party propaganda.
Bro, your whole demeanor here is why the world thinks we deserve this. You’re fucking here, blaming Democrats for what republicans are doing. That’s fucking stupid. Americans failed an open book test to stop retarded Hitler. Americans largely deserve the derision, even the leftists and progressives that were trying to stop this. That includes me, and it includes you too. Propaganda ain’t an excuse. I’m dumb as fuck and still wasn’t manipulated by it, because all it takes to see through is the barest cunt-hair of intellectual curiosity which the overwhelming majority of us Americans fundamentally lack.
The first comment I responded to literally blamed left voters for what Republicans are doing. But you’re not calling them out.
Oh they are absolutely to blame! You had to vote between one guy who told you exactly what he will do and a chick who did not say the words you wanted to hear but was not going to touch what you barely had. Of course you go with the guy!
You think you are unique ? Other countries have this too. Shit we had the same a while ago. One guy wanted to take us out of eu and NATO and throw us back to Russian hands and the other guy. We voted for the other guy! We want eu and NATO and all the rest. We had Russia before and no more. Who cares we didn’t really liked the guy.
When was the last time your people voted to nominate someone and not have someone shoved down your throat? This time was no different .
I didn’t vote for Trump. And you don’t seem to have a good idea of just how bad corporate Democrats are. It’s not “they won’t touch what we have” it’s “they’ll give it away in less visible ways,” often through inaction when action is possible, necessary, and begged for by the people. They are not an opposition to the Republicans, they’re complicit.
Our biggest fight is trying to convince apathetic nonvoters to vote, and apathetic voters to actually vote against this system in the primaries. Your messaging is hurting the latter, so please stop.
If you voted third party you voted for Trump. Ignorance of how our shitty system actually functions is not an excuse.
I didn’t vote third party. I voted Dem.
“Voted against trump all three times”
So you voted for what? The guy who got 3% of the vote? Let’s not pretend that any vote not for a democratic candidate isn’t a wasted vote. The last person to win from neither major party was back in 1848… so if you voted for a libertarian or the Green Party or whatever other hopeless party then you are just as bad as a trump voter. Democrats aren’t perfect, far from it, but if you didn’t want Trump to win, you would vote Democrat, period. They’re the only ones who have a legitimate shot at winning against Trump, or any republican really. Sadly that’s what politics is in this country, you don’t vote for the best person for the job. You vote to keep tyrannical psychopaths out of office.
I voted for Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris. Did I pass your test to be allowed to have an opinion?
You are aggressively belligerent all over this thread my guy.
The one with the comment that started with aggressively blaming people dissatisfied with the Democratic Party out of absolutely nowhere? Sure am, I’m tired as fuck of this narrative and it only serves to further alienate voters that need to be heard for the first time in decades.
You know what? I’m done. These losers can have it. Kamala Harris was infallible and her stance on Palestine was completely acceptable. Joey Biden’s neoliberal presidency where he did nothing to prevent this was as strong as it could have been. It is 100% time to beat down on voters who felt hopeless already because how dare they.
Lol, right? A comment that effectively amounted to “Trump mentioned --> scapegoat progressives” draws no attention but me calling out the bullshit of that comment draws out all the sycophants who can’t stomach an ounce of blame. I’m tired of this shit.
Surely it couldn’t be their fault for being so complacent, brother.
Yes consider this reply as your legal documentation that you are a holder of the 1st amendment.
Even if I didn’t, my opinion would still be valid. Are left wing folks who don’t align with corporate Democrats a large enough group to influence elections, or small enough not to matter?
If the former, you need to work with us and refusing to do so is a failure of the Democratic party and its base. If the latter, then you are no better than a playground bully beating up a weaker kid because they lost a different fight.
A failure of its base? 70 million people failed? Well goddamn.
And also bullshit. The choice was fascism or not and a shit ton of likely well-meaning but seriously wrong shitheads decided now was the time for a protest (non) vote.
We all want better candidates, no shit. But not voting or pissing away one’s vote on a Putin-licker like Jill Stein or a write-in is not just idiocy, it’s unconscionable. And there were a lot of them parading through here last year, deigning to lecture us bourgeoise on our moral failings. So fuck them. They fucked up and they need to know it.
What if everyone who voted for Kamala was wrong? What if 70 million people were right and everyone should have just voted for someone else? After all this is a democracy?
If you can’t tell I’m being purposefully idiotic because your opinion is dumber than shit and I think you deserve to be treated as such.
Well who could argue with that sterling logic.
Refusing to hold the Democratic Party accountable is enabling the behavior that leads to those piss-poor candidates.
It’s absolutely a failure of the base that spends all of their energy blaming the people they need to be working with, and then getting all angry when those people feel too alienated to vote with them.
Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016 fucked up and they need to know it.
Im hope im wrong, but i feel now more then ever democrats dont feel the need to listen to anyone but their donors. Because what are you gonna do, vote republican? The Trump stove is bright hot and people are willing to do anything to remove their hand at all costs, even if it means putting the burnt flesh in a pile of shit.
Literal hostage situation. The costs are sunk, the walls are up. there will be no democracy, just commands from our “betters”. Stop resisting or else yous gets the republicans again
Define that.
The people who can’t be bothered to defeat a demented rapist with nuclear codes? Wow i can’t wait to do whatever they say. They seem really smart. Clearly the fast track to progress.
Because they didn’t vote for themselves? The choice was insanity or a flawed candidate that would get us to the next rung. Propaganda won the day as it does when the fourth estate fails catastrophically.
No absolutely every voter counts, what I’m getting at is voting for people who obviously aren’t going to win is a thrown away vote. A vote democrats COULD use. Idk how much more I can work with you. I vote in big and small elections, which is sadly more than I can say for a lot of people.
Literally you in these comments:
That’s completely at odds with this comment I’m replying to.
How so? Are you suggesting I go try to convert Trump voters? I see you trying to make a point but maybe you could help me see what the point is you’re trying to make here.