I sense that “child neglect” and “federal weapons” chargess mean there was at least one gun fast and loose and loaded in the house. That sounds like a powder keg waiting to explode in any case.
Yeah; a 6 year old will play with anything they get their hands on, you sure as hell don’t leave a gun where they can get it. Especially with ammunition available…
The Wikipedia article about this case suggests the kid knew what the gun was. He threatened to shoot another student, and probably shot the teacher intentionally. This isn’t just a case of a kid randomly playing with a gun.
Of course he’s not criminally responsible for that because he’s six, but he probably needs an intensive intervention to make sure he doesn’t turn into a monster.
This doesn’t jive with my life experience at all. If my family could have “programmed” me, I would have turned out very differently. Also all my siblings are wildly different people.
The development of living beings is a messy process and there are significant uncontrollable elements.
Sure but neglected child is always going to turn out worse than one that was properly loved and taken care of. You can’t just go oh well child psychology is complicated, so let’s just ignore the parents responsibilities.
Nothing fits into a perfect box, but if you breed you are responsible for the outcome until 18 regardless. If you think your kid might shoot someone… it’s your job to prevent that.
Yes I agree. However, a six-year-old child does not randomly get the idea to take a gun to school and shoot a teacher. They get it from somewhere. They may not fully understand, but that doesn’t matter. I’m just happy that parent is in jail. I hope they do not get released early, and I hope they do not ever get to be that child guardian again
If the case was that this kid got the gun from another kid Who got the gun from home: The kid who pulled the trigger, and the weapons dealer, all of their parents should be put in jail. All of their parents Should not be able to be guardians of another child in the future.
This seems overly knee jerky. So if good parents have a kid who shoots a teacher, with a gun that came from another kid at school, those good parents should go to jail?
You realize six isn’t old enough to know what they are truly doing. They don’t grasp life vs death, they would likely not even see “shooting the teacher” as anything more than play before they did it. It’s exactly for this reason that we don’t hold children accountable in the same way we do adults.
Are there outliers? Absolutely. But to just make a blanket statement that every adult involved should go to jail is an extreme I just can’t agree with.
Please teach your children that if another child hands them a firearm in school, to not take that firearm and deliberately shoot the teacher. I think that’s parenting 101
I am perfectly fine with the child being put in jail, but I think you would probably disagree with that.
Yes, I realize that six is not old enough to know what they are truly doing… But that does not excuse the parents. That’s the whole thing I’m saying. This is my opinion. There are zero things you can do to change my mind. It is perfectly fine that you disagree with my opinion, I don’t disrespect you for not sharing my opinion.
My dude, if you think telling a kid not to do something means they won’t do it, you’re obviously not a parent.
You can’t reasonably assume a kid isn’t going to do something at six. Even if you’ve told them not to do that thing every day of their life. It’s why child locks exist. It’s why kids end up in the hospital every day.
In a perfect world you could just type out on a keyboard “Johnny isn’t allowed to go in the pool area without an adult” and he’d listen. in the real world Johnny wants the ball, and it’ll be real quick, and mommy is busy, and he’s bringing the dog that counts, and oh shit Johnny drowned.
My homie, Telling a child not to steal bubblegum from the store, or open that cabinet, or pull the dogs’s tail… Are all things I would expect a child to ignore
I agree that six years old is really too young to expect them to understand anything… Which is why, when something serious like this happens… The parents have to be punished.
We can keep arguing forever. This is how I feel, and I respect that you feel the way you feel and I have no interest in trying to convince you to feel the way I feel. Please understand that there is zero possibility that I, at this point in my life, I’m going to change my opinion about humanity.
I know a kid who as a teenager beat his mom with his fists, the problem with the “parents are always in control of their kids” idea is its a fantasy. At some point you will end up blaming a victim.
Reasonable precautions should always be made: gun safes, therapy, etc. Kids frequently are smarter or dumber or nicer or meaner than their parents and its always gonna be that way.
I don’t remember anyone saying that parents are always in control of their children? If I am driving a car and I let go of the wheel… It is going to crash.
Please, take some time to come up with another bullshit excuse to justify your feelings
You are responsible for your child. Until they are 18, they are an extension of you. You programmed them. No excuses.
I sense that “child neglect” and “federal weapons” chargess mean there was at least one gun fast and loose and loaded in the house. That sounds like a powder keg waiting to explode in any case.
Yeah; a 6 year old will play with anything they get their hands on, you sure as hell don’t leave a gun where they can get it. Especially with ammunition available…
I suspect that’s what the gun charges are for. Proper gun etiquette is not to keep the damn thing loaded.
The Wikipedia article about this case suggests the kid knew what the gun was. He threatened to shoot another student, and probably shot the teacher intentionally. This isn’t just a case of a kid randomly playing with a gun.
Of course he’s not criminally responsible for that because he’s six, but he probably needs an intensive intervention to make sure he doesn’t turn into a monster.
Yeah, those parents def fucked them up bad…
This doesn’t jive with my life experience at all. If my family could have “programmed” me, I would have turned out very differently. Also all my siblings are wildly different people.
The development of living beings is a messy process and there are significant uncontrollable elements.
Sure but neglected child is always going to turn out worse than one that was properly loved and taken care of. You can’t just go oh well child psychology is complicated, so let’s just ignore the parents responsibilities.
Is leaving your gun lying around where a 6 year old can acquire and use it to shoot someone one of those sinifificant uncontrollable elements?
No, because the existence of some uncontrollable elements doesn’t erase all the controllable elements.
This woman did something very wrong and controllable, which is why she’s in prison.
Nothing fits into a perfect box, but if you breed you are responsible for the outcome until 18 regardless. If you think your kid might shoot someone… it’s your job to prevent that.
Not everyone is qualified to be a parent.
A six year old is very unlikely to fully grasp what they are doing, and a parent wouldn’t necessarily “think their kid might shoot someone”.
Yes I agree. However, a six-year-old child does not randomly get the idea to take a gun to school and shoot a teacher. They get it from somewhere. They may not fully understand, but that doesn’t matter. I’m just happy that parent is in jail. I hope they do not get released early, and I hope they do not ever get to be that child guardian again
“Breed”
Getting a clearer picture now.
Do you? Or do you just want to feel a certain way?
Nobody knows how parenthood will turn out, my friend. Nobody is qualified to decide who is qualified… Good.
I agree. And if it ends up that you weren’t qualified, that might be a jail sentence. Good.
I guess it depends on the household. I could say my mom did a great job at educating us. My siblings, mom, and I hold very similar values.
“You programmed them”?
Really? That’s an extremely naive take.
No, you just strongly agree because you’re obsessed with babies.
If it was her gun (which it was), yeah this makes sense. If the gun was instead found in a trash can or something? idk its a wild world.
That’s what a jurry would consider after both sides have made their case.
I guess this is my sign to start dumpster diving
If one is to reach for the most unlikely thing to happen to base their opinion on, then I suppose that you have a point.
If you want to be pedantic, I suppose “got the gun from another kid” is more reasonable?
If the case was that this kid got the gun from another kid Who got the gun from home: The kid who pulled the trigger, and the weapons dealer, all of their parents should be put in jail. All of their parents Should not be able to be guardians of another child in the future.
It is always the parents’s fault.
This seems overly knee jerky. So if good parents have a kid who shoots a teacher, with a gun that came from another kid at school, those good parents should go to jail?
You realize six isn’t old enough to know what they are truly doing. They don’t grasp life vs death, they would likely not even see “shooting the teacher” as anything more than play before they did it. It’s exactly for this reason that we don’t hold children accountable in the same way we do adults.
Are there outliers? Absolutely. But to just make a blanket statement that every adult involved should go to jail is an extreme I just can’t agree with.
Please teach your children that if another child hands them a firearm in school, to not take that firearm and deliberately shoot the teacher. I think that’s parenting 101
I am perfectly fine with the child being put in jail, but I think you would probably disagree with that.
Yes, I realize that six is not old enough to know what they are truly doing… But that does not excuse the parents. That’s the whole thing I’m saying. This is my opinion. There are zero things you can do to change my mind. It is perfectly fine that you disagree with my opinion, I don’t disrespect you for not sharing my opinion.
My dude, if you think telling a kid not to do something means they won’t do it, you’re obviously not a parent.
You can’t reasonably assume a kid isn’t going to do something at six. Even if you’ve told them not to do that thing every day of their life. It’s why child locks exist. It’s why kids end up in the hospital every day.
In a perfect world you could just type out on a keyboard “Johnny isn’t allowed to go in the pool area without an adult” and he’d listen. in the real world Johnny wants the ball, and it’ll be real quick, and mommy is busy, and he’s bringing the dog that counts, and oh shit Johnny drowned.
My homie, Telling a child not to steal bubblegum from the store, or open that cabinet, or pull the dogs’s tail… Are all things I would expect a child to ignore
I agree that six years old is really too young to expect them to understand anything… Which is why, when something serious like this happens… The parents have to be punished.
We can keep arguing forever. This is how I feel, and I respect that you feel the way you feel and I have no interest in trying to convince you to feel the way I feel. Please understand that there is zero possibility that I, at this point in my life, I’m going to change my opinion about humanity.
I know a kid who as a teenager beat his mom with his fists, the problem with the “parents are always in control of their kids” idea is its a fantasy. At some point you will end up blaming a victim.
Reasonable precautions should always be made: gun safes, therapy, etc. Kids frequently are smarter or dumber or nicer or meaner than their parents and its always gonna be that way.
I don’t remember anyone saying that parents are always in control of their children? If I am driving a car and I let go of the wheel… It is going to crash.
Please, take some time to come up with another bullshit excuse to justify your feelings