I’m depressed and I wanna listen to music… 🥲
Its just fearmongering right?
I don’t max the volume, just turn it high enough to hear it, if I used speakers, I’d also turn it so that my ears detect the “same volume” so I don’t get why headphones is worse? Literally the same volume.
Also privacy, I don’t want others to know what I’m listening, the fuck lol.
Depends entirely on the volume and time spent at that volume.
Just using headphones in general? No.
It’s a bunch of crap. In fact, modern headphones can if anything help protect your hearing.
The thing that damages your hearing is sound level. Doesn’t matter if it’s from a speaker to inches away or 20 ft away, what matters is the sound pressure level that arrives at your eardrum.
The problem with headphones is many people turn them up to drown out outside noise. To get it loud enough that you actually can’t hear the surrounding noise, it’s pretty loud. That is what causes hearing damage, not the fact that it is headphones. It would be no different if you put speakers and turned it up loud enough to drown out the noise.
I say modern headphones can help because a lot of modern headphones have noise canceling. Thus, reducing the ambient noise level means you don’t feel a need to turn up the volume as high.
I remember an Iron Man novel that suggested Tony had poor hearing because he played heavy metal in his helmet while flying from place to place.
And if he’s flying at Mach 2, there’s probably a fuckton of wind noise against the helmet. Which means he’s probably listening way too loud. Same problem.
Again, it would be about the volume, not just having music in a helmet.
Tony’s type A personality may suggest he was in fact listening to it too loud.
Indeed, that was as it was described in the book. Apologies for not elaborating.
Using headphones is more polite since you’re not forcing it upon others.
It’s a myth that headphones cause more ear damage than speakers.
95dBs measured at the eardrum are 95dBs independently if the source is 10m away or inside your ear canal.
Now most people tend to blast louder on headphones than they do on speakers, I tend to do the opposite, so in my case speakers cause more damage.
If you “just turn it high enough to hear it” then there’s no damage. In fact if you listened to speakers you would have to probably turn it louder to overcome the environment noise than you do on headphones that muffle outside noise.
If you search “OSHA dB chart” you should get a basic idea of how loud is loud, note than ear damage is cumulative, so it’s OK to blast super loud for few minutes a day, on the other hand if you listen to music all day you need to play at lower levels.
Also, listen to your body, if after a listening session you hear tinnitus (ringing in your ears), then it’s too loud. (That doesn’t mean it’s OK just because you don’t hear ringing)
I usually listen around 100dB(A) but I don’t recommend it.
100 db is crazy lol. That’s definitely enough to cause hearing damage if regular
Don’t listen to her.
Let her believe.
Been doing it for almost 30 years. I still have better and more precise hearing than most.
However
Most people in the “headphones bad”-crowd fail to understand that it’s the volume and not the medium at fault. I’ve always been very afraid of permanent damage to my senses, ears and eyes in particular, so as much as I love head banging to loud music, I ensure it’s not too loud. I’m the kind of person who brings earplugs to a concert (the type that dampens the audio without distorting it). I rarely need them, but I keep them with me just in case.
The issue is probably more that you don’t hear her when you are focused.
My husband is like that. Especially if he’s listening to something with headphones.
It’s not the volume (he’s not got them loud) it’s that he’s locked in. I’m the same way, except if you say my name and pause a beat, I snap out quicker.
I have to say his a couple times. Just starting to talk without a cue and the focus makes us miss the beginning, if not all.
Also happens with reading, programming, writing Which are immersive. quiet activities
Some people are just like that, regardless of headphones. My fiance gets like that to the point I have to nudge her to get her attention.
Yeah, for sure. My husband and I are both like this. Waving my arm often works for getting his attention.
But a frustrated parent could definitely blame it on headphones or think the kid is going deaf. Especially if they are not the kind of person that immerses like that.
Unless the parent can hear the headphone music themselves from a few feet away. In which case, they have a point that it might be too loud.
Yeah, it is a bit more fatiguing on your ears but not inherently more dangerous to them, what is important is to listen to your body and don’t push it too long for too loud. Your ears need breaks! It is weird but true. Damage doesn’t come from headphones, it comes from not paying attention to your body and not giving your ears the breaks they need.
What I would say is if you are turning up music on your headphones to drown out something else that is loud, that is when you are much more likely to hurt your ears without realizing. Try to get noise cancelling headphones if you find yourself doing that.
Listen to this guy OP. Don’t be like me and give yourself tinnitus by your early 20s listening to Nine Inch Nails full volume for hours on end. Aint worth it.
(not so) fun fact: tinnitus can cause chronic depression and anxiety! Ask me how I know …
Same, but SOAD
I love headphones. I have quite a few very good pairs. And headphone amps. And portable headphone amps. Ive been in the hobby for about 10 years now, maybe a bit more. My hearing is still excellent (according to hearing tests I’ve had). Aside from my tinnitus, which ive had since I was a kid. Just be mindful of the volume levels.
As others have already said: take breaks. It’s really easy (speaking from experience) to “get used” to a volume level that’s way too loud, ESPECIALLY if using isolating or noise-cancelling headphones.
Part of how your brain determines if something is too loud is its contrast with the environment. Yelling at the top of your lungs sounds a lot louder in a quiet library than it does in the middle of a live concert. Taking a break both recalibrates your sense of loudness and gives your ears a rest.
If you can afford decent “reference” or “studio” headphones, you’ll enjoy the same music at MUCH quieter levels than cheaper or lower-quality headphones. They are designed to be used for long periods of time by professional audio engineers and musicians, who are notoriously protective of their hearing and perfectionistic about even the most subtle of sounds.
Although I was a broke college student and couldn’t afford hardly anything they talked about, I learned a ton scrolling through audiophile forums like Head-Fi ( https://www.head-fi.org/forums/ ). Now I’m less broke, but somehow equipment envy and window-shopping just feels more right than spending way too much money on something I probably don’t have the time to enjoy anymore… Such is life.
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Headphones are absolutely fine. I tend to crank music and have 0 loss in hearing over the last 10 years (we get annual hearing tests at work for OSHA). I do have a significant hearing loss in one ear but that is genetics and hasn’t gotten worse in 3 decades of using headphones.
Just don’t turn it up so loud it hurts, and once you find an initial good volume don’t turn it up later. You acclimate to the sound level so it seems quieter.
Like everything in life, most dangers is a matter of quantity.
Listening to music with headphones is a fantastic way to enjoy music, as long as you are reasonable, it is fine to listen to music loud enough to drown out other sounds for periods.
Back in 2022, I got double flat feet, double heel spurs and a bad knee at the same time, walking was agony at the end of the day, so when I had to walk home from the bus stop, I put on some quite loud Sabaton in my headphones, used that to gather strength to move, usually ending up crying hard as I dragged myself up the path to my apartment building.
I still hear ok, sure, I have a bit of bad hearing, but that was something I had found out a decade before.
You won’t go deaf just by listening to music in headphones, they are an important tool in several sectors, especially in music, every live performance artist is wearing in ear monitors these days, they are special headphones that allow the artist to not only hear the other performers and instruments, but also protect their hearing from the extremely loud speakers and crowds at a live event.
Then you have the people working post production, they all wear headphones all day, you have radio DJs, they also wear headphones all day, pilots, air traffic controllers, police, security guards, and similar professions also often wear head phones constantly.
What you are being told about headphones is just fearmongering, but built on a small kernel of truth, loud sounds can and will damage your ears, but that goes for all loud noise, not just headphones.
I used to mow lawns growing up. Would listen to headphones to drown out the mower. 30 years later I essentially hear this 24/7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D96_1AsUajA My wife (and everyone else who knows me) knows my general hearing is bad, but not horribly so, and much worse in noisy situations. There are times when I don’t hear that tone as much, but it’s there every morning when I wake up and it’s quiet.
Also, at max volume, I had to hold the phone speaker on my ear to make sure that video was even making a noise.
Frequencies above 6k-7k have disappeared/are always there.
Do yourself a favor and take advantage of noise-canceling headphones so you can keep the volume down.
I often take long walks through a busy city, and in-ear headphones are a godsend. With on-ear ones, I have to turn the podcasts off at high-traffic crosswalks around here, for fear of blowing out what’s remaining of my aging ears.
Just be aware that the music volume and the volume of noise in your environment are supplementary.
That means that if you raise the volume of your headphones to hear over your environment you risk damage.
Noise cancelling headphones help with this.
I haven’t read any research on whether active nouse cancellation contributes to this, since active NC is producing more noise in the audible range that you can’t perceive.
I do use active NC on planes and don’t feel pain in my ears, but I am wary of it and only use it on planes for now.
Fear mongering. Definitely.
