They’re not perfect, but having a real alternative engine matters more than people realize.
They just can’t help themselves, eh?
That’s why I use Internet Explorer 7
LibreWolf looks good these days.
As there seems to have been recent confusion about this, just a quick “official” toot to then pin: we haven’t and won’t support “generative AI” related stuff in LibreWolf. If you see some features like that (like Perplexity search recently, or the link preview feature now) it is solely because it “slipped through”. As soon as we become aware of something like this / it gets reported to us, we will remove/disable it ASAP.
Can it sync my password and history from Mozilla’s servers? I’d switch in a heartbeat.
Yep. Is basically a firefox stripped from junk. Just remember is very stick on privacy, if something is not visible or some pics don’t upload, you just have to enable the site permission from the icon in the navigation bar.
That’s excellent! I’ll have to investigate how to make work with profiles-sync-daemon on my system. Then it’s a definite conclusion! Thank you.
I’m still angry that an (optionally) AI browser isn’t the worst idea as a headline/dev direction … if you don’t read any further than the headline that is.
I do want or eventually will need some local, foss AI to deal with all the megacorp bs AI that will be just everywhere on the internets (I can’t humanly fight the increasing megacorp slop, I need/will need my own AI to help me fight and navigate it, as a freedom necessity).
Someone pls work on that, I don’t want to live in an internetless cave/woods for the rest of my life (the cave/woods is what I wish for regardless, it’s just a question of my need for internet access).But no, they decided to hammer their dicks with all the megamatacorp AIs. I mean, it’s prob marginally better than to forward ppl to sites or Chrome, but it’s not a thing that you would want publicized as a major step/direction, it’s at the very least distasteful.
It’s a fucking infection is what it is.
Even HomeAssistant, which is literally meant to be the open source alternative to all the big tech megacorp enshittification, is now vibe coding their server core and most major plugins, as I found out recently.
They’re also censoring discussion about it on their forums, when I tried bringing it up- everything hidden as ‘off topic.’
A complete betrayal of their users, imo.
Also AI could theoretically do an even better job at ad blocking and also block other annoying shit like autoplay videos and html5 popups (fuck any web dev that uses them without a user click prompting the popup, they are like the old style popups that were a cancer on the early web, only marginally better because they don’t try to bomb your browser/system like they occasionally would do back then).
Though what I’d really like to see is a DOM designed to serve the user’s will rather than the webdevs’.
Yes, this is exactly what I meant, smart blocking (especially since nowdays ads are “content”), and at some point in the future when services (eg banks) will force you to go through their ultra-processed & upsalesy AI chat for everything you could just send in your own AI to deal with their bs AI trying to monetise everything.
Pretty sure the translate feature is using local ai, which I think is great! Its not as accurate as others, but a lot more trustworthy at least
You will never guess who already did that.
Oh, qewl, that is almost what I meant if they pivot that way.
(Something seems familiar with this, but can’t even decide if I heard about it before or not. If it would integrate in the everyday browsing experience without too much extra external data, this could eventually be the help I spoke about.)
“Firefox is evolving into an agentic browser, connecting devices, cloud, and AI to unlock intelligent productivity and secure work anywhere. Join us at #MozillaIgnite to see how frontier firms are transforming with Firefox and what’s next for the platform. We can’t wait to show you!”
#MozillaIgnite
Do you think this is a cry for help?
Here’s a complementary can of gasoline and blowtorch. It would be a shame if something happened to spill the gasoline on me. And then light the blowtorch. A real shame.
Ugh, even the corporate false chipper voice.
Librewolf is great. Pretty much the same as Firefox without the shit.
Yeah but its a soft fork, inherently dependent on mozilla.
Mozilla is circling the drain, determined to drive away the last of its users.
Who cares if it’s a soft fork as long as it’s open source? The point is to keep the fork clean and if Mozilla fails, the community can just take it over.
Dunno how pale moon is doing nowadays, but forks either follow the bigger principles of the base project or wither into obscureness if the base project changes underlying technologies.
Not really.
Mozilla spends many millions a year on devs for their browser.
If they stop doing that, LibreWolf won’t have any patches or updates.
The community is t going to take over from mozilla.
I’m not saying it would be easy, but that’s the whole point behind open source. We’d have to at least try.
“the community taking over” is not the whole point behind open source.
There’s plenty of open source projects that need 100s of developers with niche credentials and experience to maintain.
If mozilla dies, and that’s the current trajectory, then ladybug or similar will be our refuge.
What’s the migration process like?
Pretty much transparent.
I know I’m gonna get a lot of flack for suggesting this, but Vivaldi feels like what Firefox should have been. More customizability, less AI and sponsored crap. They are the only major browser offering an option for a small, reasonably sized tab bar rather than the tab bars with 3 layers of padding and more whitespace than text.
Additionally, Vivaldi doesn’t pester you with twice-a-day update pop-ups or worse, the dreaded “Restart to keep using Firefox,” it just gets out of your way like a good browser should.
On the other hand they literally built an email client into their web browser. I don’t think they’ve met scope creep they didn’t like.
I think floorp and zen are trying to be the Vivaldi of Firefox but with less…stuff.
Netscape 3 with integrated mail and news is still the best internet experience that’s ever been conceived or designed or implemented. Communicator screwed it all up less than a year later but it was the best while it lasted.
Fast forward nearly 30 years and pretty much everyone uses webmail, so building a web-based client into your browser to poorly interact with an existing web-based service seems questionable.
If I want something to do a shit job accessing Gmail’s shitty non-standard service, I can always let thunderbird do a shit job.
Vivaldi is not open-source, so it shouldn’t even be considered as an option. Try !waterfox@programming.dev!
Yup go Waterfox. Truely open and a fork of Firefox. It’s the best we have unfortunately.
But it isn’t truly open though is it? I thought it was owned by a company.
How does it stack up against librewolf?
I tried it before, it was buggy and my tabs locked up. Also since its based on chrome, its very nerfed when it comes to powerful plugins. I didnt like it. My first impression was positive but no, it feels very bloated.
But if you like it and you feel its better than Firefox for you, thats a good thing.
Is it chromium? If yes than pass. Did everyone forgot when Google tried to use chromium to take control with this bullshit?
Good, good💯
Vivaldi is by far the best browser out there. Its customizability and tab handling is second to none. Anyone not giving it a spin are missing out. Yes, their UI is proprietary, but out of all the things to be concerned about, this aint it. They are based in Norway and made by software engineers who worked on Opera browser who out of principle just wants a good browser which is not in corporate hell.
Seriously give it a try.
I stopped using Opera more 15 years ago, shortly before they dropped their own engine.
I did like their customisation options, 20+ years ago they were the only browser supporting mouse gestures too.
But I see no reason why would I want to use what’s basically chromium, especially bcs of ad blocking.
Y’all just live with ads? (I don’t think sinkholes catch everything.)Additionally I do not want to support proprietary code if I don’t have to.
Vivaldi is by far the best browser out there
Maybe among the wheelchair bound browsers that don’t let you properly block ads.
i use vivaldi as well. seriously!
Waterfox it is.
Long ago, the Four Fox Nations lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the Firefox Nation attacked.
A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new developer, a script kiddy named Aang. And although his python skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he’s ready to save anyone. But I believe Aang can save the world.
Given python is air what are water, ice, blood, fire, lightning, combustion, earth, metal, and energy?
Ok, let’s do this:
Air = Python Water = Javascript Ice = Typescript Fire = Java Lightning = Groovy Combustion = Kotlin Earth = C++ Metal = Rust Spirit = Assembly
Haven’t heard of this before 😮
I just got Waterfox this morning. Pretty dope
there is a mobile waterfox too now
Does it have ublock?
It’s the only browser I have on my phone, it works beautifully.
Save us
LadybirdServo, you’re our only hope.Too bad it’s made by someone who promotes ‘great replacement’ theory and stands with fascists.
Since the comment you were responding to was edited to strike out “Ladybird” and write “Servo” instead, would you mind editing your comment to clarify you are talking about Ladybird and not Servo?
So what alternative do you suggest?
Zen Browser, open source Firefox fork
Just got it on play store, there’s an ad everytime I open it?
Holy hell. I knew about the gender neutral pronouns debacle. Didn’t know there are more…
The world has really gone to shit if the cryptobrowser is our only hope
The image is nearly 10 months old!
Anyone that is not using Libre Wolf or equivalent should be to take advantage of the wonderful privacy suite.
Haven’t heard of that before 😮
Yeah I’m switch off Firefox finally. I tried Floorp it does have some the same AI stuff you have to turn off. Waterfox doesn’t have it in at all. So Waterfox it is.
For future readers, yes, Floorp is a real browser
Honestly the way they (by default) change home tab background for each visit is absolutely adorable.
All my 'puters have Water, Wolf, and Floo.
Floorp
I don’t think I will ever be able to pass past this name. It’s a name of something that sci-fi comedic cartoon will create for a passing joke.
I actually use floorp. It’s literally the most customizable Firefox fork. It’s the only Firefox fork that allows me to have my tab bar exactly correct the way I want it.
But yeah name’s stupid. I kind of love it though. It’s so non-serious
It’s also a good verb. “I’ll floorp it later”. “Send me the link, I’ll floorp it to myself”.
Does it support profiles? If so, I’ll give it a floorp, just to see how it floorps.I’m still not convinced that name isn’t an elaborate joke. Like I could download the browser and be typing this comment on it and still think “man, they went all-in on this prank”
Waterfox is my favorite for sure, very lightweight too.
Discord doesn’t like it when it comes to voice-chat in the Android app, sadly (even though I know we should all leave Discord, but Revolt and Matrix can barely hold candles to the flame of its incredibly sophisticated streaming system).
You are absolutely right ✅
The only reason I use Firefox is because it has my chaterbate password saved on it and I can’t remember it.
you can see all passwords saved in firefox.
😐 well son of a bitch!
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I could never not use zen or the similar browsers
Looks nice but how’s the ad blocking performance? I’m currently using Librewolf with ublock origin and a pi-hole and I basically never see ads anymore
I just use uBlock Origin with Zen and I never see ads. Not sure if it works on Youtube or any other streaming sites as I do not use any of them.
Woow! Really.
ublock does work nicely in YouTube, never had any problems BTW I use Orion
Wow 👏
