Developers of apps that use end-to-end encryption to protect private communications could be considered hostile actors in the UK.
What’s app 😂 how does what’s app ever get rolled in with privacy respecting apps
"Today, with the right information, right technology and algorithm, companies can create simulations of individuals, and use the machines to predict future actions such as purchases, locations, changes in career or relationship status.
According to a study published in 2019, there is a possibility of achieving 95% of the potential predictive accuracy for an individual using their social ties. This means that one’s social contacts are sufficient to predict their personal attributes."
Don’t y’all vote over there? Government isn’t us vs them. Government is us. Period.
Up until basically after the last election this was essentially a two-party state. However much of a shitshow Labour is, the Tories were guaranteed to be much worse.
Also, there was a mind of unspoken assumption that human rights lawyer Keir Starmer would gradually move the party back to the left once in power, instead of spending 99% of his time trying to court the small minority of far-right voters who’d never vote Labour in a million years, which is what has actually happened.
And, unless there’s electoral reform in the next 3 years it looks like the actual far-right party will win the next election, because we’ve still got a system designed for a two-party stare in what is now really a 5-party state, meaning that Reform’s current 30% polling would see them with 100% control of the country, if the voting matched the polls.
We have been voting for greedy shits larping as conservative (Conservatives) and greedy shits larping as liberal (Labour).
Competition was always a myth anyways.
Boys… When it’s considered a hostle act to demand rights, ownership, and privacy… We have a problem.
Pervasive surveillance is a hostile act. Abetting genocide and other crimes against humanity is a hostile act. Serving the rich at the expense of the poor is a hostile act.
It’s a kingdom. They have a certain old dicksucker as a king. And they, importantly, don’t have any historical or current reservations about things you listed, fortified by documents.
Absolutely insanity.
Truly. This global push towards mass surveillance is extremely alarming.
Well many governments see their citizens as hostile actors, so its not really a change, is it?
What the heck is happening with Europe in general? I thought they were better in terms of maintaining individual privacy, damm.
That’s europe, this is just UK. Brexit didn’t work out in a lot of ways they planned
I’d argue it worked exactly as intended.
The goal is to weaken the West by destabilizing our nations’ and organizations they belong to. They payed so much money for it that they bought into peerage.
Then explain Denmark
Tbh at this point I have zero faith in any country when they will just flip no one knows.
Remember how, before the internet, intelligence agencies by default didn’t know what anyone was saying to anyone else face to face or by mail, and had to actually work to find out? The country didn’t fall apart. Why is the standard now that everything must be handed to them on a plate? Did they just get lazy?
You’ll love this!
I deployed an open-source chat system at work, just for convenience. Boss was concerned that it didn’t do any logging and we couldn’t tell who said what.
“You don’t have any records of what we say verbally. What’s the difference?”
“…Oh. Well, you’re right.”
He was coming from a legit concern. We didn’t point fingers when someone screwed up, zero blame, but we needed to know exactly what happened so we could fix it.
I’m not disagreeing with you but what would happen back then is that they simply wouldn’t stop the crime.
At some point we need to decide if giving up all semblance of personal privacy is worth stopping some of that. I vote no enthusiastically. We just have to accept that some of that crime won’t be stopped and law enforcement will have to work harder.
They don’t even stop significantly more crime now… They simply invent new “crimes” and jerk each other off for keeping the streets safe from that minority eating their lunch or going for a walk.
This isn’t a new concept by any means. The argument of crime prevention has been used since governments existed to strip rights
Sure, and we’ve always compromised on the 2 as a society. But we continually trend more and more towards prevention rather than privacy and sovereignty.
If our countries could stop doing things that give people a reason to commit terroristic acts, Maybe that would solve some of it and we could be more secure in our papers and possessions without unlawful interference and undue search and seizures but that’s apparently none of my business
Ok but that is a separate discussion.
They cut costs by firing the people doing the legwork and passed the savings along to billionaires who promised sustainable models. Now they can’t hire people to do real legwork anymore because, “no one wants to work anymore for their grandparents’ wage in an economy and society designed to turn people into voluntary slaves and the only way to escape is to become homeless and go off the grid, but the laws are being molded to prevent anyone from escaping the system.”
I’m pretty sure that’s how the old adage goes.
That they can is what has changed. They didn’t have sufficient information to put pressure.
They still had microphones and inquiry drugs, including those causing memory loss. So they knew plenty of what people were saying to each other.
Anyway. Everything has changed a lot, not just technology, and one can’t really make a chain of causation to all this. There are plenty of feedback loops.
The rules now are “we are stronger, so we are forbidding everything we don’t want”. Losing leverage does that.
Until you learn of some way to hit them back, such questions are no good, because not answering them doesn’t cost anything.
I think its a mixture of lazy and inexperience.
I believe if someone in a position of authority who understands how vital E2EE is in order for the internet to work, this suggestion wouldn’t even be on the table.
its a case of just kicking destroying E2EE down the road for another generation to deal with, I believe. not sure what the solution is, either
I believe if someone in a position of authority who understands how vital E2EE is in order for the internet to work, this suggestion wouldn’t even be on the table.
That might be an illusion. You might be perceiving the world without normalized E2EE as something too horrible to consider. But it would be a stable system, functional for the taste of those people.
Lawmakers will make exceptions to allow E2EE for their own communications and those of the very wealthy.
What the fuck happened to the UK? Is Trump president there too?
Meta happened. UK, US, all over the world there is a correlation between the adoption of Meta’s products and the corrosion of basic human rights.
Could you elaborate? Or maybe this is just a joke idk my brains not braining rn
To be totally clear, the UK has been a fucked up place for centuries, I don’t think Meta fundamentally changed the culture.
Having said that, Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, etc are tools that enable political influence over the population at levels that were previously unimaginable. Look into Cambridge Analytica a bit or borrow Mindf*ck: Cambridge Analytica and the Plot to Break America by Christopher Wylie from your local library for details.
Starting as early as 2012 we have evidence that Facebook was pivotal in stoking racial tensions in Myanmar, leading to a genocide.
There’s evidence that Meta was a major factor in Brexit, which more specifically relates to my claim with respect to influence in the UK.
The US election in 2016 was clearly influenced by Meta platforms, including taking Russian money to stoke racial tensions in line with the Russian Manifesto, The Foundations of Geopolitics.
I’m currently reading through Careless People by Sarah Wynn-Williams, which is a memoir about how these systems were conceptualized and built at Facebook, and so far I’d recommend it.
Obviously Meta isn’t the only problem, Tiktok is clearly a problem of similar size and scope, and other social apps have their own challenges (X being owned by the richest man alive and actively influencing the algorithm, for example), but in many ways Meta is the OG, and blazed the trail for others.
The right wing fascism wave is a world trend my guy. This is just the start.
People pretend not to know but mass immigration creates…issues, and so the UK became a hotbed of espionage and influence operations. With a certain demographic there’s also a high risk of breeding terrorism and social unrest to say the least, that cannot be defused through typical means at such a high rate of immigration. While these particular measures are draconian, in the end something similar would be done. You see the same trend playing out in other European countries with Chat Control, so to say it is a UK thing is naive. On the other side of the Atlantic, the US probably already can break into these apps because of their technological superiority, and other countries like China straight up demand a back door, so privacy is well and truly dead in modern times.
^ That’s racist.
The USA and UK are both Five Eyes members and routinely share intelligence. If the USA had compromised secure apps, wouldn’t the UK be privy to intelligence gathered via that method?
PGP has been around since the 90’s can you PLEASE shut the fuck up.
Like please.
Welcome to New East Germany.
Let’s be hostile together then
Wow, the UK sounds like an awful place.
I thought we were unique in this but frankly everywhere in the “western” world is talking about the same things. EU has chat control, Australia has similar efforts, USA aren’t pushing for privacy at all so it’s not a uniquely British problem.
It first starts with the “children” or the “bad actors/terrorists” and ends with a straight up fascist police state.
Agreed, but Australia and the UK are way ahead of the rest.
Ah its not so bad if you get so drunk your critical thinking skills go out the window.
Which you can do starting at like 15! So it all works out.
Hey, did you use a secure encrypted connection to make that treasonous remark? I’ve got 999 on speed dial, I’m on to you, you encryption terrorist!
I even did it over a VPN! I’m shitposting all willy-nilly and not even England can stop me!
Honestly everywhere sounds like an awful place at this point. Freedom is a thing of the past. A thing from a time whence literally everything we did wasn’t tracked, and in order to exist in society, you’re expected to submit to the tracking.
The world is a big place and disconnecting gives you a huge boost in privacy. It’s not all black-and-white, but the surveillance state has become very pervasive.
Yes but you can’t always disconnect. For instance, my healthcare provider requires in order to access your account you:
- Get an ID card with Google or Apple Wallet, which I don’t have.
- Verify over text message, except they refuse my phone # bc it’s VoIP.
I will quite literally die without this so I had to get a new phone and a Google account.
Doesn’t even RCS and iMessages use E2EE?
I think most messaging apps these days have it. Allegedly even Discord (calls only, not text chat) has it.
Does iMessage store the keys locally and encrypt the entire message so only the recipient can decrypt it? Any idea what their handshake looks like—I’m curious if they can still see the messages or not.
