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Proceeds to use it exclusively for browsing the web.
Exactly 69 upvotes - as it should be.:-P
How many are there?
It depends.
See, that’s not helpful. The right answer is to direct someone to this GitHub project:
https://github.com/FabioLolix/LinuxTimeline
The releases page contains a 3420x12488 PNG to provide a simple and concise answer.
I can see my OS from here!
“Simple and concise”
Doesn’t even have CachyOS. Smh
If you know how to edit a comma-separated-value text file and how to submit a PR on GitHub, you could make the image larger.
I just have to assume you’re a troll at this point. That graphic is not helpful at all to anyone except those that care about the history of Linux. For everyone else it’s useless. I was making a joke about how one of the distros I use isn’t on there. I don’t know the history of my distro and honestly do not care. Any noob also would not care.
I see the one I like! :-)
i am not religious, but oh god…
That picture is also hosted on Wikimedia:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
Edit: just pasting the link now, making it into an embedded picture lagged and crashed voyager??
Either 2025 was a horrible year for linux or the image needs an update.
EndeavourOS should be a continuation of Antergos, right?
All you need to know is that, whatever you pick, you made the wrong choice and you will be roasted if you ever attempt to explain your decision.
Unless you use Arch, then you have chosen correctly.
You’re obviously not using NixOS. I clearly don’t even need to try to use such a subpar stateful system such as Arch, you absolute pleb.
Am I out-jerking you already?
I use NixOS, obviously.
I use NixOS btw
Urgh! Why did you choose Arch? It is just the worst!
Actual reenactment:
Screams in Debian…
You mispelt gentoo
I love Lemmy. I hate AI posters.
Glad I’m not the only one that thought this was an AI comic.
EDIT: and had that thought confirmed.
Thought? This IS an AI comic.
Wasn’t trying to imply it wasn’t. My bad.
It’s okay, I’m the one who misunderstood ya, I’m the one who should apologize.
doesn’t seem like AI, what makes you think so?
I’ve seen enough AI generated media to know when one is AI.
Some of them you need to open the image in a new tab/full-screen it to see.
The ports on the laptop are different in each image.
The resolution of the ports is much, much higher than other parts of the image.The image has a bunch of fake compression artifacts.
One character in the second panel has an eyebrow, the others don’t. The line-weight on the eyebrow doesn’t match the rest of the comic. That character has its mouth open, but the speech bubble isn’t connected.
I see
OP is posting AI slop and plagiarizing other people’s work. Lead image seems a cyanide and happiness cartoon, but it’s a blatent ripoff, and they watermarked it with their own username to boot. And no communication out transparency around any of that as well
“not again” as a punchline is the level of creativity I’d expect from a slopper
I think there needs to be proof given when you accuse people of ai slop, this is not to say it’s not a slop mime of course it is: it’s I think people tend to forget why AI slop is not so great: the average person it trained on is not that great.
Now sure if you find a Loading artist with the frames the same we know what it was lifted from vs it just being a mimic of style, sure AI or not we could say it’s a bit too close in style to be a independent derivative.
But let’s be real you were not going to ever be paid for some off the top random meme the question is should op have bothered posting… Honestly likely not.
Their profile banner has LLM and a heart spray painted on a wall. Its ai slop
Maybe your intention with this comment was more noble, but it’s full of typos/autocorrect and odd tense (I wasnt going to be paid?) that make it very difficult to follow?
But from what I can read, your position is that the burden of proof for fraud is on the audience and not the person creating the deceptive work? I don’t agree. And if I start a business, I need to hold trademark for my logo and patents for my novel designs and utilities - SO THAT I DEFEND MYSELF WHEN CHALLENGED.
Why isn’t your assertion that OP should need to provide proof that their work is original OR openly label it as AI (theft). Again, in this case OP is working to pass this off as original work (as you can see by them literally taking extra time to watermark their counterfeit work).
Lead image seems a cyanide and happiness cartoon,
It doesn’t claim to be a Cyanide and Happiness cartoon anywhere in the cartoon.
You’re an unserious person
There are four main flavors
- Debian - For every day
- Red Hat - For work
- Arch - To tinker and learn
- OpenSuSe - To German
Well I’ve been using openSuse for a while and habe noch keine German influence gesehen.
also …
Debian - for when you want to wait two years
The popular Debian based distros are up to date. That said, core Debian stable is indeed boring, but sometimes boring and stable is what you need.
yeah no hate for debian here
Yep, perfect for my server. Literally has never gone down.
Definitely a brick of an operating system, boring as hell, but reliable and has been that way since ancient times.
Before the dawn of history
Look upon my server uptime and despair
Also the additional flavours of
- Nix – whole OS determined by 1 file
- Gentoo – Arch but it takes longer
- Alpine – small and simple
- Slackware? – for old people
- Void?? – like Alpine but not small and simple
- LFS??? – like Gentoo but takes longer
- AOSP??? – not even really Linux anymore
Gentoo – Arch but it takes longer
Supports full binary versions since december 2023.
Slackware? – for old people
Aka people who know what they’re doing and what they want, noted.
Yes, that’s pretty much what I said but more accurate and less funny
Gentoo really has nothing to do with arch. Gentoo in my opinion is more like Debian with compiling and rolling release.
And what about Fedora? Last I checked it was wildly popular.
Gentoo is just frequently cited as the “next step up” from Arch and also funny.
And Fedora is bucketed into the Red Hat flavour.
Nix – whole OS determined by 1 file
* Can be determined by 1 file. Or one file and a
.lockfile. Or even more files. Your pick, really.You also have a hardware-configuration.nix by default but shhhhh…
Slackware
Holy sneaky AI image, Batman!
Fuck this is getting hard.
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Red shirt guy’s eyebrow is a bit weird
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Ports on the laptop change every frame.
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Scrollbars are a bit weird
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Text in computer window doesn’t line up with grey windows in the vertical direction.
Biggest giveaway are the fake compression artefacts.
And here I thought everything in this comic was just sweating profusely, including the words on the laptop screen.
I was wondering if those compression artifacts were real.
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Choice is good when you can make an informed choice. Choice is bad if you are forced to make a decisions where you have no idea of the consequences.
Worst when the newcomers chose Arch because they’ve heard is very configurable.
Then complain that Linux is hard.
I kinda have the reverse problem.
I started with arch and when I was making a beginner friendly linux laptop for my parents, I chose Mint and later switched to Zorin, and wanted to make everything as windows like as possible.
My problem that I felt like wrestling and constantly having to look what is in my system etc etc. Felt really frustrating and like I knew way less than I thought.
So IMO, distro hoppers are way more knowledgeable than many Arch users, merely from knowing how to wrestle with the system, where in contrast, all I do is install what I want and when I want to do something, I already know exactly and precisely what to look into.
I had a coworker once boasting about his blazing fast Arch desktop, had him going on about how it’s the best operating system, how lightweight it was, etc.
He never once tried another distro and insisted he didn’t choose Arch because of the meme. But he did recompile fastfetch to say ‘I use arch btw’. The guy was a living breathing shitpost
There are many correct distro choices (except Ubuntu), but the only correct desktop environment is KDE Plasma.
If Cosmic keeps evolving, it could win me over.
KDE is good for a first go at Linux. I started with SUSE, ages ago, which was nice enough.
But by now, I’m just more of a gnome fan. I don’t know how that will change if I dig deeper into window management logic, but right now, it just works for me.
Edit it is so perfectly fitting for the Linux community to respond with mostly criticisms and negations to these flowcharts I shared without a single negative commenter actually suggesting a different similar helpful resource for newbies to Linux who feel overwhelmed or adding something productive and helpful to the conversation.
Do better y’all.
You can’t condescend these resources and pretend with a handwave like there are better ones out there, you gotta prove it. If you are going to pick apart these charts then you gotta make a new chart or link me to a better one, I don’t care about your condescending minor criticisms of the specifics of the flowcharts, that is irrelevant input unless you are going to edit a flowchart and make a new one or add something else productive.
I feel like I am inside a meme making fun of Linux users right now lol.
https://piefed.blahaj.zone/post/347408
https://lemmy.ca/post/53099450
I appreciate the effort put into this but if answering yes to “are you new to Linux?” leads to the follow up question “apt or rpm?” then there’s a problem.
Exactly. One is a package format and/or local package utility, and the other is a frontend to do downloads and updates for that local package utility.
Should be “rpm or dpkg” — assuming that we’re excluding the other options — and then if someone chooses RPM, you can start talking about the frontend:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager
Front ends
Several front-ends to RPM ease the process of obtaining and installing RPMs from repositories and help in resolving their dependencies. These include:
- yum used in Fedora Linux, CentOS 5 and above, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and above, Scientific Linux, Yellow Dog Linux and Oracle Linux
- DNF, introduced in Fedora Linux 18 (default since 22), Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8, AlmaLinux 8, and CentOS Linux 8.
- up2date used in Red Hat Enterprise Linux, CentOS 3 and 4, and Oracle Linux
- Zypper used in Mer (and thus Sailfish OS), MeeGo,[16] openSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise
- urpmi used in Mandriva Linux, ROSA Linux and Mageia
- apt-rpm, a port of Debian’s Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) used in Ark Linux,[17] PCLinuxOS and ALT Linux
- Smart Package Manager, used in Unity Linux, available for many distributions including Fedora Linux.
- rpmquery, a command-line utility available in (for example) Red Hat Enterprise Linux
- libzypp, for Sailfish OS
Then for
dpkg, you can choose from amongaptitude,apt,apt-get/apt-query/etc, graphical frontend options likesynapticthat one may want to use in parallel with the TUI-based frontends, etc.Sure, but my point was that someone new to Linux can only answer that question with “what the fuck are those”
You’ve completely missed the point. If you’re new to Linux you have no clue what those are and shouldn’t care.
I hate myself but I don’t Gentoo hate myself.
gentoo for small computing power?? no offense, but that’s bonkers 😹
Lots of pro-Ubuntu propaganda in those flow charts. At this point, Ubuntu of any flavor shouldn’t be recommended to anyone. There are always better alternatives.
I was going to say something similar. Ubuntu as a server in 202x is… well it’s certainly a choice you could make…
I judge distro chooser flowcharts by whether they correctly point me to Slackware. These both pass.
These are magnificent. Now I can turn off my brain lol.
Just ask your favourite slop generator to shit a suggestion for you, it already replaced your ability to draw stick figures, something every person knows hownto do by the age of 7.
Or better yet, google a list of active distros and throw a fucking dice. Same amount of precision and intelligence, less wasted electricity and water.I’ve now gone down this rabbit hole several times now and installed several of them many many times over now just figuring it all out and finally getting a stable setup which took a few months.
From my perspective after doing all of that : Chances are if you are not a developer, high end cgi artist, or specialized in tech, you might just need something safe like Ubuntu. At least just grab it to start. It gets you up and running, nice interface. Easy to use. Works for basic out of the box stuff making plex server, basic computing, house hold stuff. Could set it up for your technophobe friends and family and find it easy to just update and run. Big colorful app icons. Looks and works like an android phone for usability and easy to learn. Stuff even installs from a gui similar to how windows does.
You’d only go deep on something like fedora/nobara with some serious intentions with a high end computer where you just couldn’t reach some goals on Ubuntu. You just wouldn’t go to these ones if you didn’t have to. Those reasons also rhyme with kde plasma reasons/Developer reasons where in you absolutely need specialized software. And you have to be comfortable with swimming in the bios often.
If you don’t know and it sounds weird just googling it then just stick with Ubuntu.
I’ve talked to people in the Linux community gatekeeping hard on others who don’t even know about why someone would need kde plasma. So that should tell you everything you need to know about the fanboys. And I’ve taken heat from them only to have them breaking their own brain on the idea that people actually use computers for simulations or just use computers for anything other than what they would use a computer for.
so Take what they say with a giant truck of salt. Not even Mac users are as annoying as the some of Linux assholes I’ve met.
slow clap Half these posts are shitting all over Ubuntu. It’s fine for newbies.
Gate keeping Linux bros are seriously hilarious. It’s like silly No True Scotsman.
It’s fine for newbies.
As someone who used it when he was a newbie: Gnome is fucking awful to learn - it’s so bloody alien, it’s not even funny.
I’m now using a distro with KDE and it feels just right.
Fair point. Just remember that almost everyone that’s in the Linux Desktop space has formed a subjective opinion based on past experiences, and the popular hate for Ubuntu is there for a reason. Sometimes it’s a silly reason, sometimes it’s a valid reason.
Anyway, if I’m recommending a distribution for newbies it’s going to be (1) something KDE-based (or possibly LMDE if they’re a Mac convert) and (2) something as far away from Canonical’s shenanigans as possible.
former solaris / irix / ubuntu user here who works in graphics. is there a particularly good distro suited for someone doing davinci resolve, blender, inkscape, godot etc ? desktop use specifically.
what properties in a desktop env and a distro should I seek and avoid?
Frankly, the right answer is that pretty much any non-specialized distribution (e.g. don’t use OpenWRT, a Linux distribution designed specifically for very small embedded devices) will probably work fine. That doesn’t mean that they all work the same way, but a lot of the differences are around things that honestly aren’t that big a deal for most potential end users. Basically, nobody has used more than at most a couple of the distros out there sufficiently to really come up to speed on their differences anyway. Most end users can adapt to a given packaging system, don’t care about the init system, are aren’t radically affected by mutability/immutability, can get by with different update schedules, etc. In general, people tend to just recommend what they themselves use. The major Linux software packages out there are packaged for the major distros.
I linked to a timeline of Linux distros in this thread. My own recommendation is to use an established distro, one that has been around for some years (which, statistically, indicates that it’s got staying power; there are some flash-in-the-pan projects where people discover that doing a Linux distro is larger than they want).
I use Debian, myself. I could give a long list of justifications why, but honestly, it’s probably not worth your time. There are people who perfectly happily use Fedora or Ubuntu or Arch or Gentoo or Mint or whatever. A lot of the differences that most end users are going to see comes down to defaults — like, there are people in this thread fighting over distro because of their preferred desktop environment. Like, Debian can run KDE or GNOME or Cinnamon or XFCE or whatever, provides options as to default in the installer, and any of them (or multiple of them) can be added post-initial-installation. You wouldn’t say that a car is good or bad based on the setting of the thermostat as it comes from the dealer, like.
was hoping for a more clearcut answer but this is honest and I appreciate it.
The fanboying to the point of blinders is maddening to deal with among Linux users.
I don’t have issue with Ubuntu personally. I still prefer Zorin over it though. It’s a really nice “transition from windows” type distro and not as bloaty as Ubuntu.
The fanboying to the point of blinders is maddening to deal with among Linux users.
Alien who has arrived on Earth: “I’ve heard that you humans drive motor vehicles to get around. I should get a motor vehicle. Could someone tell me the best type to get?”
Human A: “You want a Prius.”
Human B: “No, that’s for tree-hugging, probably-homosexual hippies. You need a proper truck, a Ford.”
Human C: “Actually, Ford trucks are trash, what you need is a Chevy truck.”
Right, like they all have a point to a degree but really just need a little more info and put bias aside to focus on what each system does well and just connect the dots to the most appropriate to their use case.
But then that requires social interaction, and having enough emotional maturity for putting aside personal biases. Two things on a relatively short list of things Linux doesn’t usually do well at.
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see heres the problem, youre doing that in the wrong order.
first figure out your DE/WM preference, THEN choose a package manager with the repos that will best support that for your use case and update cycle preferences. (the distro)
It depends.
ok true
Choose a distro that supports upgrades between releases.
no thanks, i enjoy a rolling release
Just pick the yummiest option each time.
Mint.
Cinnamon.
That adds the “which windowing system do you want to use” question and under the “Xorg” option, a “do you want to use a window manager without a desktop environment”, and then under “yes”, for the “Which window manager” question, you get Ratpoison as one of the options.
sure its fine and will do. but …millions of people waste time on cinnamon bc of this logic.
