I’m taking a shower at someone else’s house and I noticed they have 1 bottle that says “3-in-1, shampoo, conditioner, and body wash”.

Why isn’t this the standard? Why do we even need 3 different types of soaps to bathe?? Have I bought into Big Soap capitalist propaganda without even noticing??

I just finished showering with the 3-1 soap and I don’t feel any difference between the 1 soap vs the 3 soaps I have at home.

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    Soap and conditioner have opposite and incompatible roles. Soap strips away dirt and oils. Conditioner replaces the oils stripped away by soap that your hair needs, to maintain health.

    You don’t really need separate shampoo and body wash, you could wash your hair with standard bar soap. You do need separate conditioner.

    Shampoo+conditioner combined together can either clean or apply oils to the hair, but chemically, it cannot do both, despite marketing.

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      Soap (although of course some soaps are actually detergents in disguise) can’t necessarily replace shampoo. Soaps can react with hardness in the water and leave the residue on your hair. Detergents like shampoo do not react in that way. On the other hand, replacing your soap with a detergent like shampoo or body wash would be fine.

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      So basically shampoo/soap + conditioner is used to first chemically strip off natural oils and then replace them with chemicals.

      Being a short haired dude I struggle to understand how hair, which is basically dead tissue would benefit from moisturizing, though I guess adding oils and silicone will probably make it look more glossy. And obviously give soap more stuff that needs to be removed on cleansing.

      I dunno, this seems like a situation that is engineered purely for marketing purposes.

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        Being a short haired dude I struggle to understand how hair, which is basically dead tissue would benefit from moisturizing

        What about leather, could it benefit from applying a layer of oil? Or wood? Or rubber? Or cast iron? Living tissue is not the only thing physically affected by moisture levels.

        Oil seals in moisture to prevent hair from drying out, which, obviously, will change it’s texture and elasticity. The skin on your head naturally produces grease to keep your hair moisturized, but when you wash with soap, it strips that grease out. If you shower regularly, you need to replace it.

        I used the word “health” because it is commonly used to describe hair texture. You won’t be medically unhealthy if you don’t use conditioner, but your hair will probably be dry as shit and frizzy.

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        It’s not about glossiness. I’m guessing you don’t have frizzy hair, but it removes that, and allows hair to clump into locks, instead of a big cloud. If you have straight hair, then yes, the main benefit is being shinier.

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        I’ve seen pictures of people from the past with my hair type, from the time before conditioner. I will buy conditioner. Styling goops too. Do you mean everyone should cut their hair so short it doesn’t matter? I like having styled hair - will agree it’s culture/marketing but so what?

        Could use shampoo as body wash, sure, not so different. I don’t use natural soaps because in hard water they do more harm than good. Conditioner is a non negotiable. Sometimes I just rinse and condition, but never wash without conditioner-ing.

        My husband keeps his hair very short but that involves haircut every two weeks, it’s not cheaper overall.

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        I don’t know, if you consider it as dead tissue, it makes sense it would break down over time, and certain oils could slow that process down.

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    Better question, how much body hair is required before shampoo becomes the default for everywhere?

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    Well, If you’d like a woman’s perspective- it will do nothing but strip your skin and hair like extra strength laundry soap. Soap in general is really good at removing oil and dirt but it doesn’t distinguish. That is why conditioner is needed, to put back what the shampoo took out. Mixing them together make them both ineffective. As for soap, most body washes may make your skin soft, or have a certain scent - but you still have to wear lotion after. It’s the body wash’s conditioner so to speak. Shampoo can be modified to be less damaging, be safe for color, skin conditions or treat dandruff.

    That’s why 3-1 is a gimmick. You don’t have to have 113 products. Just a shampoo, a conditioner, any soap at all and a good lotion.

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      I’ll tack on that some folks need a separate face wash, as the harshness of regular soap can screw up sensitive/dry skin.

      Still, fully agree. Any singular soap is going to be better than a hodge-podge “all-in-one” bottle of god knows what.

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        I agree with that, besides- if you use bar soap you HAVE to have a face wash if you catch my drift.

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      Using a soap without harsh chemicals would be best - same with conditioners.

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        Harsh chemicals like what? Your body is completely made up of harsh chemicals; so I’m not quite following what you mean.

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    Same goes for cleaning your house, you can choose to a buy a single bottle of multipurpose cleaner and clean everything with that. Just pour it over dirty dishes, dirty laundry, sticky floors, smelly toilets. Just kidding of course, but there is a balance. You don’t need handwash, feetwash, neckwash and bellywash because those areas are rather similar.

    If you have sensitive or acne prone skin you better get something gentle for your face. If your hair doesn’t gets clean with body wash (or you get dry or oily skin if you wash your body with shampoo), better get another product for that.

    That leaves you with 1 to 3 cleaning products (bodywash, facewash, shampoo). If you not only want to clean, but also want to care you’ll need 1 to 3 caring products (body lotion, face cream, conditioner). But capitalism means you can get 1 to infinity products, it’s good you’re questioning what you do and don’t need.

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    I use Shampoo and body wash.
    And I only use shampoo because I got a itchy head skin sometimes.

    But I also shower very hot (sometimes my skin is a bit red) :p

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    3 in 1s are very water down. If all you want to do is remove grease from your hair and body, they are fine. You could use any generic men’s body wash for the same effect.

    If you’re more concerned about your appearance and scent, them specialized products will give longer lasting and more noticable affect. Most people that use the all in ones don’t particularly care if their hair has that extra bounce, or it looks shiny for the rest of the day if not longer. And also, they probably don’t have longer hair that needs extra protection so brush or combs can glide through them and split ends are usually not an issue with shorter hair.

    Various special products do more than all that even, but for most guys and some girls even with shorter hair, it’s not worth the extra hassle to apply them all when basically any form of soap will remove the excess oil and leave them smelling clean.

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      Or their hair is straight, and don’t understand frizzy conditioner-free hair. I’m a dude. My hair is not particularly long. I still like it to form locks, and not a cumulus cloud.

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    I used to use normal shampoo. Gave me horrible dandruff.
    Then I tried out various anti-dandruff shampoos, which didn’t make a difference.
    Switched to curd soap, which made my hair dry and straw-like.
    Switched to Aleppo bar soap, which made it oily.
    Then I tried out the last option - nothing. I wash my hair once a week with only warm water, then brush it. And it’s never looked better. Your results may vary.

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      My other half goes approximately the same approach. Only warm water every three or five days, the once oily hair gets much better, needs less washing, and very little dandruff too. I like simple method, at least it worked for us. :)

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    Shampoo cleans your scalp moreso than your hair. Conditioner makes your hair nicer moreso than your scalp. Both of them have unique needs because they’re on your hair rather than just your skin, which is where you use soap.

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    Body wash - Ass balls dick armpits 7x a week

    Water - everything 7x a week

    Shampoo - 1x a week

    Conditioner - occasionally

    Works good for me

    If I do anything strenuous or dirty I will soap up my whole body.

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      Same except conditioner almost every wash unless I notice my hair getting oily/grimey, then I shampoo only

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    I get 3 in 1 but only use it as face and bodywash. I have long hair that doesn’t play nice if I don’t use decent shampoo and conditioner. But the 3 in 1 stuff isn’t any more expensive than other bodywashes and there’s enough fuzz everywhere else that I like a little conditioner in my soap.

    [Happy Chewbacca Noises]

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    Each of us react differently to different cleaning products so you have to find the ones your skin and hair react to the best. You will find that will change as you age.

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    They’re mediocre products only used by men who don’t give a fuck and suicidal women (I’m the former sometimes). If you have long hair, for instance, the “shampoo part” of this magic liquid will barely wash anything.