Yeah, sure. But you can see how that could lead to very open-ended logic of “we’re just gonna have to check now.”

I live in Finland. I had a videomeeting with a nurse a few weeks ago. I got rather upset and have a loud voice. Anyway, about 20-30 min after the videomeeting, cops arrive at my door. I don’t understand why. Apparently a neighbour had called and “heard yelling”. To specify, by the time the police arrived, there had been no yelling for almost half an hour. Still. They demanded entry. I politely refused, asking what for. They said “we can’t know that you haven’t murdered someone in there.”

If that’s all the authorities need to enter your private apartment, then you see how no-one has privacy, actually, right?

I mean, if the burden of proof is put on me and they demand I prove a negative, then that’s quite the impossible standard to reach.

So having a loud voice and living in an apartment building is enough in my country for your privacy to go bye bye.

Wouldn’t have mattered as much, but I grew me own weed. One autoflower nothing large, just my own smokes. Mild strain, CBD heavy. But still illegal in Finland.

Last time this happened, it took like 2 months for me to get the warrant they supposedly used and it was dated 2 months after the search.

So you know, while I agree with the public safety angle, there has to be a very clear limit set on when and how the cops are allowed to do what. Granted the US does that a lot more than we do. As in, things may not be objectively going as great in the US, but at least there’s two sides in the fight. In Finland no-one wants to recognise our university-educated police can have anything wrong with them, especially on a systemic level.

I mean, I also agree our cops are pretty decent, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have some severe criticism of them. Fuck the police and ACAB, but you’ll notice I did smudge the visible face of the officer here. And it’s because I promised them at the time. I know promises cops make to you don’t matter, but the ones I do, do. And this was the first “house-call” for this young lady. And while the police who originally entered (older constable) did make it very clear I’m allowed to video, he just asked if I could avoid faces. And I don’t see a point as to why not, since none of them did anything to personally offend me, and the older constable even called his superior after I explained him what happened last time they took me to jail. So he managed to convince his superior there was no need to jail me for it. Last time the guards didn’t give me my meds ended up being awake for 72 hours in isolation where they watched me go nuts and eat myself and draw on my own blood on the walls. 3 days lights on constantly I didn’t eat or sleep but they thought my “take as necessary” antipsychotics and relaxants weren’t necessary. I also didn’t even have a mattress. And there’s not a single Finn who believes me despite me having photos of the cell. The cops conveniently lost the videos when I asked for them after they tried accusing me of vandalising the cell with my blood. Here’s the cell. (But the mattress and blanket weren’t there when I was. Not for 90% of the time anyway.)

So yeah when that happened some years ago, I also tried filming the cops coming in. The cop took my phone away ans said “you can’t film the police when they work”. Which is complete BS ofc . So luckily I had the few s clip of him saying that while taking my phone away. Me complaining about that went to the supreme Court of Finland who did incidentally agree with me (ofc.) The cops even tried the argument of "no but it was a private apartment so I’m not allowed to film them due to their privacy… when they’re coming into my private apartment to invade my privacy.

You prolly won’t read the article in Finnish so here’s the screencap translated.

So yeah, I agree it would be wild if an active wrestling match with two guys fighting for a gun with bad intentions in mind wouldn’t be enough of a reason for the cops to go in, I URGE you to consider the other side of the coin as well.

ACAB perspective … community-protectors

Always wondered who’d protect communities in the abolished-police world, and if they could stay good indefinitely

Yup. The cop wasn’t wrong for entering when they suspected an armed fight. They were wrong when they shot the victim.

Yeah, fair that is probably a truer reading of their intent, I will edit my post to refer to yours.

I would still argue that taking proven approaches that cut security services related murders by up to 98.5% is worth doing and dismissing that on the basis that anarchism if somehow implemented in the US would solve the last 1.5% is…

Well whatever, I don’t want to try to debate people out of anarchism, especially not here.

Yeah people were still reporting crime, the police just slow rolled their job to let major crime go up but it didn’t

“The results challenge prevailing scholarship as well as conventional wisdom on authority and legal compliance, as they imply that aggressively enforcing minor legal statutes incites more severe criminal acts.”

Where the contradicting conventional wisdom was more aggressively policing the smaller things led to less crime overall, ala broken windows, they found the opposite actually happens.