A couple of 20-year-old developers make $500,000 a month promising to help men to stop watching porn, but exposed their private porn watching habits.
Wow this comment section is actually awful. If you’re somehow seeing this early on in the list: get out of here before it’s too late. There are some really, really toxic takes in here.
Who says Lemmy can never replace Reddit?
I’m going in.
Me too!
You weren’t kidding, it’s baffling how they came to some of these conclusions.
You’re right! Holy fuck people are fucked. I want to respond to each of them and tell them so but there’s no point. I can’t educate them hard enough. I’ll have to settle for this release valve here.
“Porn addiction” is being pushed by fundamentalist christians, to force a complete total porn ban, nothing more.
Sex addiction, to some degree, is literally coded into your brain, unless you’re a certain kind of asexual.
Same. The nofap thing always felt wrong to me. You cannot claim publicly that you don’t masturbate unless there is some kind of “god will be happy if I behave well according to the bible or some other shit.”
US has always been weird about sex. If it weren’t for alcohol, it would never happen.
look it up, corn flakes and Graham crackers were both designed to prevent masturbation.
I think they’re pretty effective. Have you ever tried to masturbate with corn flakes and graham crackers? It’s rough.
100% effective when they put a big picture of Marjorie Taylor Green on the box.
These are some wild takes I have only ever seen on lemmy. I mean you can argue about the need for public proclamation, but “nofap” has a lot of self-esteem, social benefits. There are two different worlds, one where you fep, the other where you are giddy and horny and fepless.
“NoFap” doesn’t really refer to any masturbation addiction program as much as it refers to a specific community on Reddit that very much is pseudoscientific and the mods have promoted right wing candidates.
The benefits are all either “I personally have self esteem issues from masturbating, likely due to religious norms” or “I’m overthinking the concept of a refractory period.”
and the mods have promoted right wing candidates.
What does that have to do with anything?
It means they suck as people, and generally have compromised morality.
Human rights are a “Left Wing” concept these days in general. Right Wing bastards are quite literally ruining our world.
I see. I wasn’t really too aware of the current reddit community. Personally, my empirical evidence is simply if I don’t fap, I feel more energetic, happy, searchful, and of course, horny. Makes life nicer. Was not religious for all of my conscious life. Fap is just an addicting task like others (lots of dopamini for little effort). Best if not wasting the time, but damn it’s sure good once in a rare while.
You could argue that the stigma on Masturbation fuels the self esteem etc problems and the improvement once people address it.
If it works for some, great!
Btw not saying there isn’t a lot of rotten stuff about the porn industry, sexy-economics and stuff. Still, just gaving a good wank is great.
Pretty sure you can comfortably argue the whole thing. No doubt there are benefits both sides depending on the individual and their circumstances, but I have never heard anyone outside internet even mention “nofap” or equivalents. I know zero people who would’ve even just mentioned it. So anyone I have ever known would also have these “wild takes”. Pretty sure none of them are in lemmy, and it’s not much wider a set if I include those that realistically could be but I just don’t know. So I’ve only ever seen your take in memes about incels and now, in lemmy, right here.
What would you like it to be called then when someone spends 4+ hours a day, 5+ days a week masturbating to porn, feels terrible about it, tries to quit, and then immediately caves and falls right back into the same cycle?
How do you think a person like that feels when they’re hit with all these accusations the second they open up about wanting their normal life back? Reading these comments honestly makes me sick. Just fucking imagine the backlash if almost any other mental-health issue affecting tens of millions of people got ridiculed here the way porn addiction does.
I’m sure you can find recovering alcoholics who equally advocate for alcohol prohibition, but you’d have to be out of your damn mind to jump on someone the moment they mention cutting back on drinking and start accusing them of being a puritan or whatever. Yet somehow that passes for sound logic when it’s about someone trying to quit porn.
That’s an entirely different thing, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersexuality
Also see my other comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/22596497
Your justifications for these views fall quite deep into the conspiracy land.
Wanting to quit / cut back on porn is not synonymous with being anti-porn and “hypersexuality” is not an official medical diagnosis neither.
Prior to Christian fundamentalists influencing the academic world in the last couple decades, there used to be a distinction between “addiction” and things like “compulsory behaviors” or “habits”.
Alcohol has physiological withdrawal symptoms.
Calling this out is not to undermine those who have real behavioral issues, but to highlight the malicious influence of these very real and VERY well-funded groups. This isn’t some conspiracy theory- there are plenty of documents from government agencies about how sexual restriction and shame is used to control people. The Islamic State pretty famously used this in their recruiting and training programs to radicalize people.
The fault lies not with porn, but with societal repression of sexuality. There will always be people who have behavioral issues- most of which are not sexually related. And any well-functioning society should have the resources available to help those people.
Here’s a person “addicted” to eating drywall. Should we pass laws mandating age verification for purchasing construction materials now? Should we make a bunch of apps with sketchy security to help people track their drywall eating habits?
Nobody here is advocating for banning porn or even restricting anyone’s access to it. I’ve never met a single person struggling with what I call porn addiction - whether it clinically qualifies as addiction or not - who wants to restrict other people’s access to it.
There doesn’t need to be any ideology attached to one’s personal desire to quit or cut back on their porn consumption.
That is always where the argument goes. That is what the Christian Fundamentalists that u/ZILtoid1991 was referring to are calling for. It starts with claiming that this is some huge problem plaguing whatever country they are in, and inevitably leads down the road of invading privacy and authoritarian control.
Are you seriously not able to acknowledge that some people simply want to fix their own lives and don’t care what others do with theirs? Does everyone talking about their porn addiction have a secret agenda? Is that really what you think?
People are so fucking weird
Masturbating I get, becoming addicted to something you enjoy I get, using a third party app to try to break your addiction seems dumb but I get how desperation can make you dumb
What I absolutely can’t get is what anyone could productively do with this data. Like, I don’t even think blackmailing someone with this could work. The worst you could say about someone with it is that they had a porn habit they didn’t like and were trying to change it, and anyone rational is just gonna say “I don’t see what’s the big deal with watching porn, but good on you for attempting some kind of self improvement I guess.”
Oh No NaKeD mAmMaLs
Most people are not really rational, though, so the blackmail would still work very well.
Repression is what does it. Check out Japan after our puritanical takeover. They’re… different now.
$500k a month?!
To literally do nothing but jerk each other off.
I’m as straight as could be but fucking sign me up.
Straight as spaghetti till it gets wet
No, no, they were trying to NOT jerk off
Mike Johnson?
Mike Hawk
No, Mike Hunt
While he may use this, I believe he used something called covenant eyes.
Still a terrible idea to trust a software to not expose you in one way or another.
HAHA they logged their whackin’ off activity into an app to upload that data to the cloud. Did they not ever think “what could go wrong with this?”
People just really let the damn phone apps run their whole lives don’t they. I’m so glad I got to grow up before smartphones existed.
Giving a business details of your most intimate private life. What could go wrong!?
I wonder how many usernames are stuff like:
- Dicksy Normus
- A nelprober
- Dicnbutt
- Hugh Janus
Biggus Dickus
He has a wife, you know?
Whats her name?
Incontinentia… Incontinentia Buttox.
Phil MacRachin
Wilma Fingerdoo?
- hugh jazz
- biggus dickus
- Mike Johnson
What a grift.
I’m in the wrong industry.
Need to find a grift like this…
Sometimes I think that myself - I’m probably capable of building something like this. But then the problem is that I am not a total piece of shit so I just work a regular job and live ok while people like this buy a new yacht.
… Should have just rented out chastity cages.
There’s a way to get around that, usually through the backdoor.
Right. That just leads to a pegging addiction.
Nooooo not the gooners.
First they came for the gooners, but being gooners they already came themselves.
🥹🥲
Is that the one speaker of the house used with his son?
Nah that’s covenant eyes or something like that.
“Porn addiction? There’s an app for that.”
Free to read from somewhere else(The first link i found on duck duck go). https://mashable.com/article/viral-quittr-app-to-quit-masturbation-exposed-sensitive-data
404media is a super high quality new independent news source and they specifically broke this story as they’ve been breaking a ton of big stories (it seems like at least one per week) since they started up. It’s run by a bunch of former Motherboard (Vice News) reporters who broke tons of big stories for Motherboard back in the day.
It sucks that it’s paywalled but journalists have to eat too and as an independent media company they don’t have the option of operating at a loss that, say, Arstechnica can as a subsidiary of the behemoth Conde Nast which itself is (was?) a subsidiary of AT&T
