great opportunity to try out bazzite or cachyos :P
Cachyos is top tier as a long time LTSC w10 guy.
My boss at work told it to download thinking that he would have a choice to install in when he wanted. Now he understands what a virus is.
I have to use it, it’s the corporate setup. Every day I envy plumbers who unclog toilets.
Damn, that never happens on my Arch Linux install.
I’ve also never once been prompted to install Win11 on Neon
Is neon actually good?
Well, it doesn’t prompt you to install Windows 11, so that’s definitely a plus.
That bar is so low, you’d need professional tunnelling equipment to not clear it
And yet, the most used OS in the world doesn’t clear it.
Well, Microslop are the ones that buried it in the first place. I imagine they’ll have hired some construction company to dig the trench to lay it.
More like a downgrade
ZorinOS is nice to Windows users if you want ui similarity
I installed Zorin on a second hand thinkcentre yesterday to test out, and I really like it. I use Mint on my laptop, and I’m pretty satisfied with that. I’m evaluating both of them as a permanent replacement for windows 11 on my main PC and it’s down to those two.
My son tried it after avoiding Linux for months. He didn’t like Zorin and eventually settled on CachyOS.
A man of taste.
I’m deeply sorry. If it’s any consolation, it will eventually happen to everybody.
Or at least everybody that didn’t see the light and adopt The Penguin… But let’s leave religion to another time.
False. My machine officially isn’t upgradeable to W11 cause it’s too old. Also, it’s possible that LTSC doesn’t even suggest to upgrade.
Isn’t ltsc frozen in features with only security updates or something?
Yeah, that’s what I meant with my second sentence, I’m just not 100% sure there’s no upgrade path.
BTW, Arch is awesome.
( actually, i use Manjaro. but it’s based on arch. so that still counts, right?)
manjaro has had a lot of drama and problems in the past and i don’t think it’s really a good distro to use. they forgot to renew their ssl certificate multiple times, they break software due to their weird update strategy (they use custom repos which hold back updates mostly arbitrarily for a week) which breaks dependencies and sometimes breaks the entire system, and their gui package manager once overwhelmed the AUR with traffic.
a better alternative with an easy gui installer would be endeavouros or cachyos. endeavour is basically manjaro except competent and with regular arch packages. cachy has its own repos (in order to build specialized versions of packages), but it keeps in sync with the regular arch repos.
though of course if manjaro is working for you that’s great and any amount of linux use is good. manjaro is just a bit temperamental. i also understand that some people can’t just distrohop, for example because they don’t have a separate home partition, or not enough space to copy important files elsewhere before wiping their partitions.
Oh did they renew their ssl certs so their repos work now?
Lol I cannot understand how anyone can trust those idiots at this point.
so that still counts, right?
Still counts. You now have to say you use arch every hour, otherwise you’ll implode.
Well, at least I don’t have to talk about it as much as I have to update the dang thing.
Wait…does this apply to all Arch based distros? If so I haven’t been talking about it nearly enough.
And if you own a Steam Deck, you’re an Arch user. I don’t make the rules.
please don’t go any further without mentioning you use arch, it can be dangerous!!!
I noticed this while I was using arch, btw.
Well I do use Arch
and you look marvelous! btw
NGL kinda want to use arch just so I can say I use it. I feel left out.
I used to use Arch like them, then I took an arrow to the knee.
Don’t leave us hanging. What distro?
Hannah Montana
Half a dozen of them have real cost/benefits trade-offs that make preaching for a single one harmful. The other thousand are just completely useless waste of time not worth mentioning.
BSD BSD BSD. read that in a chant of course.
Poser! A real Roman would just fall on his sword.
That happened to me, but I’m happy with CachyOS now for most things. I can’t believe how much it a step down 11 was from 10 though, it was astounding. Worse than 7 to 8, even.
You can rollback easily. I’ve upgraded to Windows 11 a while ago and after 48 hours, I rolled back to 10. But this is how I will feel like in October.
And no, Linux is NOT an option for me, at least for my main PC. My laptop gets Linux, as there I don’t do stuff, that isn’t running under Linux. But I still hope that Microslop does something good and fix their shit.
What’s limiting you to windows?
Not OP, and i main linux on all fronts, but still have to have a few windows machines around:
There are still some viable gaming reasons, There’s still software like blue iris and corporate crap (Outlook, Office and you need to collaborate with office users). There are Adobe products, Autodesk products.
You can try to play swapsies with things here and there, but sometimes it’s more work than it’s worth and sometimes you’re straight up not allowed to swap.
Oh I absolutely agree, I was just curious
First would be programming and second gaming. Not all my games I own, do work with ProtonDB and with programming, well parts we use, don’t work with Linux. We tried. Its probably just figuring out the right settings but spending several hours tweaking everything, in the hope to get it properly running, isn’t worth it, when it all runs on Windows out of the box.
I’m surprised you’ve managed to find a way to program that doesn’t work far better on Linux than on Windows. I ended up having to use WSL at work because Windows was so obnoxious (and they don’t allow anything else on the intranet).
Yes, the software I use is heavily connected within Windows. Old versions where developed for MacOS and Linux, but they dumped that for quite some time. They even use sub .NET5 as framework. Even our customers are pissed with Windows 11, as they now all upgrade or already upgraded. For SSL key stuff, I do use WSL as well, as I couldn’t really got it working under Windows.
When you really want to know what pain is, try working with their admin panels. I did learn some basic Windows Server stuff but their admin panels… all Windows OSes are childs play. I would rather use Windows 8 (not 8.1) or Vista, as this shit. And the joke is, we don’t use the complicated stuff. Office, Visual Studio and Teams (well we do need some meeting software and if we have Teams, why not using it?). Office is a requirement, as our document/archive/CMS system only has an plugin for Word under Windows. We tried switching, but outside the IT department, no one, even the CEO, took some time to test alternatives, that they feel comfortable to use. For building our software, I actually want to look if there is a better solution but no time and a massive backlog. We need to argue a lot with our CEO, when we mention we change some of the operation stuff.
But hey, there is some good things. I convinced the company to use a Linux Server for some stuff. Inside the IT, we can and do switch stuff, when it benefits our workflow but outside, nobody is interested, even though it could make stuff so much easier. We did installed a test system and gave everyone access but nobody tested it.
Fear and ignorance
