It’s not going to be cheap, though — in the US, the 65-inch model is officially priced at $3,499.
I’d happily pay that for a pc-gaming quality dumb panel the size of a traditional tv.
But ima need 3 or 4 display port inputs.
I also probably want full sized display port inputs over usb-c form
That’s a fuckin steal for the tech, if it wasn’t a smart tv.
Maybe I’m showing my age but I remember 3k+ for a 60+” DLP TV with shit viewing angles and a bulb that needed replacing eventually.
Lol, such bs. When HDTVs were made ‘smart’, and then 3D, the only ones sold were 40"+ and £3,000+. Took about three years for that price to drop 90%. But this is garbage news, who still wants a television in this century? Pubs, community spaces and that’s about it. Monitors are significantly cheaper, with less bloat and software lock.
who still wants a television in this century?
This is so out-of-touch it’s unreal.
—Someone who doesn’t still want a television in this century
That’s some protagonist syndrome.
Well, I might not want a TV… all I really want is a 60"+ high quality, high refresh rate, 4k+ panel to game, work and watch media on…
On wait; thats literally an HDTV minus the tuner.
The only thing that makes it a TV IS the tuner… and honestly it’s not bad to have in an emergency or for local OTA stuff anyway. If I never use it then having it doesn’t matter.
People who watch movies or tv series a lot and who care about image quality? Couch gamers? I couldn’t get a decent 65“ monitor. But my TV has a very good image, supports 2160p with 144Hz, VRR, HDR, etc.
And at no point did my TV force me to go online. I can 100% just ignore the software. What more could I want?Bruh 65" is only good if you’re like 6m away - almost no homes are like that. <=42" is the only normal size for a normal home, and sacrificing no quality. I get preferences, but that size has nothing to do with practicality
The optimal viewing distance of a 65“ TV is somewhere between 1.98m and 2.69m for it to fill out 30-40° of our field of vision, as recommended by the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE), for an immersive „cinematic“ watching experience.
My TV is about 2.5m away from my couch and I’m quite happy with the size, although, if price didn’t play a role, I‘d have gone with another size up (77“). Although I admit, it’s not the most practical size and it’s not for everyone. It does take up a lot of space.
However with 42“ you’re definitely sacrificing quality. Or at least I would be at the 2.5m distance I sit from my TV. The vast majority of people (me included) could not discern any difference between a FullHD and a UHD image there. Our eyes simply do not have that resolution (measured at up to 94 pixels per degree). Even my 65“ at the aforementioned 2.5m distance has a higher resolution than my eyes.
So >=65“ is the only normal size for a normal home, if one actually wants a home cinema and actually not sacrifice on quality, detail and immersion.
HOPEFULLY this is the beginning of the end for HDMI.
$3.5K TV says it isn’t
What’s wrong with HDMI?
Proprietary standard that’s worse than modern DisplayPort specs. Adds cost without adding features.
It is a proprietary closed protocol with built in DRM. The HDMI Forum is not consumer friendly, charges royalties to manufacturers for the productiom of HDMI capable devices, and HDMI has no performance advantage over Display Port.
Enemy of your freedom. Doesn’t even let AMD support 2.1 on Linux so Steam Deck or Steam Machine cannot support 2.1 with open source drivers! That’s why it’s officially only HDMI 2.0
The connector is flimsy, will wear out in applications where you connect and disconnect it often and the whole standard is controlled by big tech and they abuse that power to hinder open source efforts.
- It has it’s DRM implementation, that, albeit weak and useless, was designed to manage what you can or cannot plug these cords into, e.g. capture cards. That’s probably an advantage for Sony and others.
- HDMI specs are <10m or bust, so for big rooms or video prod on HDMI you need amplifiers. They may be included in the cord itself, but that makes it one-directional, lol.
- Not to say that HDMI cords are expensive and you also can’t press their ends to the lenght needed yourself, unlike what you can do with SDI cords.
- No mechanisms preventing them against just popping out from the socket. Anecdotally, I think there’s something weird with their construction maybe, that in my experience made metal connectors suddenly come off completely around 5 times this year, while no other connectors suffered that faith, even dumb VGA that are prone to have their pins wrecked.
- HDMI is rigidly limited to what it can with what standard and has no interesting things going for it imho, at least no daisy chaining multiple displays one after another that DP can.
LOL
Ah so close!
If it lacked any smart tv features and had displayport it would be my next tv.
same, make TVs dumb again!
Ignore me if I’m being stupid, but could you just not give it internet? A lot of TVs have high spec CPU/APU these days and complicated firmware, surely ability to update the firmware for these is necessary for patches/feature improvements. They probably think it’s silly not to include software if they can, but I agree the software experience is often a bit of a let down. LGs been good, but admittedly I block all telemetry on my network so wouldn’t notice any downsides.
People aren’t just objecting to the quality of the software, and even more than objecting to the relentless commercialization at every opportunity in the ‘smart’ features, they are rightfully worked up about the firehose of surveillance telemetry these devices are feeding back to the manufacturers.
Some definitely won’t let you use them if they’re not connected.
you’re right and that’s what I do but I’d still buy a sceptre tv if they were sold outside of trumpia
Does it act as a dumb monitor? Can all smart TV features be permanently disabled?
You can prolly just not connect it to Wi-Fi but I seriously doubt any TVs these days don’t have this bullshit.
I’ve heard that the “smart” feature services actually help subsidize the overall cost of the TV, but if that’s true, I doubt any of those savings are being passed to the consumer.
TV’s is one of the few things that have gotten cheaper of the years
they have mics to spy on you and unremovable ads all over the ui and apps
There are relatively few, but there are a couple. The Sceptre U515CV-UMC is probably the most well known one. It’s easy to find a dumb TV in the sub 24" category, too, but that’s probably not what most people are looking for and at that rate most nerds would probably just use a computer monitor instead anyway.
No DisplayPort on that Sceptre, obviously.
Scepter makes non-smart TVs . They aren’t very high res.
All smart TVs which let you go through the setup wizard without connecting to Wi-Fi can be.
I’m pretty happy with my samsung. No really, hear me out, if power cuts out, when it resumes, the tv auto starts on the same input.
I have it connected to a pc, and use a smart plug for turning on and off. Haven’t seen a trace of the smarts for years :D
Don’t connect to any networks. There, it’s “dumb”.
not a permanent solution… some are experimenting with making a network connection mandatory to work at all
Don’t buy those. TV doesn’t get to decide what gets plugged into the video in.
Again, that’s the issue… look how hard it is to get a dumb TV today…
I could choose today to skip the TV that requires network to work but soon they will all join the trend and it would be impossible to avoid
So if your input is HDMI from a small desktop computer, it still makes you connect to a network? If this is true, it sucks, I’ve never seen it. I always use a 3rd party media player like an Nvidia shield. My tv has never been on a network.
Hisense UR9 RGB, but note that the port is on the left bezel of the panel. Hopefully saved you a click.
Tldr; This article reads like my own particular preferred brand of copium.
Nvidia Tried this with BFG (Big Format gaming Displays) but most of them never made it to market. I think Microcenter carried one model and it was expensive for what you were getting. Back in those days having the nvidia gsync sticker easily double the price of any monitor and making it a ~60" tv wasn’t an exception.
I can’t be the only person who wants display port but I fear this must have to do with the HDMI Forum being the current cable standard mafia and supporting anything other than HDMI is like giving up an inch of the total control they have over the TV industry. They (Sony, Phillips, Toshiba, Hitachi, etc) are effectively colluding against TV buyers and controlling the market and eliminating competition.
With that being said, the USB-C port on these TVs has been around and Ive seen other reviewers show that the high sense implementation is not the panacea (yet) that gamers desire. Its more for like, plugging in your Macbook to your TV.
Still, if this TV came out tomorrow and Wendell from Level1techs said “your Linux pc can get 4k, 120hz, HDR FreeSync out of this” and showed it working, $3500 dollars wouldn’t stop me from buying it.
Still, if this TV came out tomorrow and Wendell from Level1techs said “your Linux pc can get 4k, 120hz, HDR FreeSync out of this” and showed it working, $3500 dollars wouldn’t stop me from buying it.
I wish I was this rich to impulse buy something that expensive because a man on the internet said something positive abouti t.
Well, you see, when you know and understand Linux well, your chances to become rich are increasingly higher.
- Most people are poor
- Most people use Windows
Coincidence?
A lot of us skip several upgrade opportunities and just keep saving for something decent that works well with our OS.
Heck, I went over ten years on my last CPU and mobo because I was waiting for the predicted amdgpu nirvana that we have now.
My TV is no different. I’ve had the same, dumb, 1080p IPS since 2012. Just waiting for a tv that’s worth it.
So yeah, if the ideal tv launches at 3k, I’ll buy it without a doubt.
I have that money saved from when I didn’t leap to 3d, when I didn’t leap to OLED and when I didn’t leap to 4k.I’m sure he appreciates you rushing to his defense trying to somehow justify it.
I love that the author refers to Hisense as “it” rather than they. Corporations aren’t people!
That particular use of grammar is normal in US English.
I live in Maryland and I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone refer to a company as “it”.
It’s strictly an Albany expression.
Well i’m from utica and i’ve never heard anyone use “it” for a corporation
But the supreme court said they were!
Sounds great! I’ll gladly pay $200usd for it.
I skimmed the article and didn’t see any mention of price, but I expect it to be 10x what I’m willing to spend on a display.
Also if it’s a smart tv I’m no longer interested at all.
Allmost all tvs are smart tvs these days, just never connect it to wifi and use external devices like an HTPC.
I expect it won’t be long before they start including cellular modems.
This. I don’t get why most commenters whinge about smart TV capabilities, when you don’t have to actually use that feature.
Because some of the TVs themselves whinge at you constantly if you don’t connect them to a network now.
Smart TVs are so. slow. Booting. Changing channels. Opening a menu.
Makes me miss my old CRT. I don’t miss the coil whine, but fuck that bitch could change channels instantly.
Because it run on a computer that won’t last as long as a normal tv. If the computer degrade, your experience suffer.
Princely Just envious of our lovely giant oled displays.
I’ll be sticking with my Sceptre then
Normally I’d say just leave it off your network, but I’ve read some awful stuff Hisense does to coerce users into connecting their TVs to their network.
Looks like it’s $3500! 😬 Seems crazy to pay that much for a TV
Especially an off-brand like Hisense. My 65" LG OLED was only $1200
Damn. Too expensive for me. My TV has a dark spot after 8 years. I’m going to be on the market for a new one in the next year or two and displayport would be sweet. Hopefully this starts a trend. This is Hisence and am excited to see reviews for the latest TCL models to drop
I like TV’s. I was using 3 1080p 60hz TV’s as monitors. I recently upgraded to a Philips Google TV. 43" 4K, 144Hz, with HDR10 & Dolby Atmos. The difference is amazing. and I love the larger size.
Couple of years ago I bought an LG 50” TV as a monitor. Since it was cheaper then buying a large monitor. I also like the large size, since my eyesight has gone to shit. Also I have a deep desk so I can just push the TV to the edge of my desk and have all the desk space available and still have a screen that fills my view. I only wish it was curved since 50” is just a bit too large.
I once got a 42" tv from some Korean brand Seiki for like $400 back in like 2008. The best thing about it was you could update the firmware to that of one of their other models and get true 1080p 120hz without any of the post processing junk ruining response times.
Lasted me a little over a decade before something burnt out, best gaming monitor ever though.
Oh good, now you can watch ads on your giant tv when your console or PC game ends because the TV will know.
Next: subscription access to play games on said Big TV.
Oh good, now you can watch ads on your giant tv when your console or PC game ends because the TV will know.
You connect TVs to WiFi?
Nobody:
Nosense: Let’s put it on the side so you have to look at the cable all the time
Technology is hard.
Hi, I’m technology.
Officer, over here!
Actual mini LED (3.5 to 5k nits!!) and display port?
(And a price to match it, but it’s “only” at the upper end of normal consumer TVs.)Ok, where it the enshitification catch?
It’s Hisense and they will likely be forcing ads on you at every opportunity.
Hardware and software laden with ads have, unfortunately, become part and parcel of modern life, but there are occasions when the hunt for revenue goes too far. One of those cases comes from Hisense, known across Western markets as a budget electronics brand. The firm’s TV sets have repeatedly come under fire for forcing non-skippable ads when switching inputs, turning the TV on, navigating to the home screen, and even when switching channels — all changes that took effect unilaterally after purchase, reportedly even for users who had all ad-related options disabled.
Needs jailbreak/crack/foss firmware flash hack.
whats with tvs not having a lot of connection options? Not like it lacks the room for it.
As always, corporate shitfuckery, this time with a dash of collusion.
