Israel: “Zero fucks given, as long as the US gives us everything we want, we will continue to kill whomever we want.”
The US (not just Donald Trump) has been enabling genocide, ethnic cleansing, and human rights abuses for decades.
How many condemnations are we at now? I lost count.
None of this matters. Nobody is doing a thing and you can’t bring back the dead. Fuck Israel.
First, murica needs to stop giving them carte blanche, see if they smell the coffee…if they don’t…let them fight their wars alone and see if being hated and feared is enough to stay safe…
We give them a pass because they bribe our politicians via campaign contributions through AIPAC.
Yeah, it certainly is a uniparty in that respect…
israel only serves at the leisure of the usa in the ME, vice versa, and then use politicians serves at thier behest in order to countinue the expansionism of israel in the ME.
Seriously. And the approval rate of netanyahu is like 90 percent there. Like shit man, what the fuck do you even do? None of this ends without world powers openly declaring cold war style measures at the very least. Trade embargo’s are great if its cuba, but heaven forbid you stop giving literal aid to a country doing a genocide. What the fuck.
Edit: I was wrong. No idea where I got that number from.
And the approval rate of netanyahu is like 90 percent there
What?!
https://www.opinionsandratings.com/israel-polls/general-stories/israel-election-opinion-polls
The current faction hasn’t had the votes in years…
That’s why Bibi keeps canceling elections, if there’s an election then his party loses, hes a normal citizen again, and his corruption case (that he’s clearly guilty) finally goes to trial…
You’re right to be upset, but I have no fucking clue where you’re getting your information from.
Can you source that 90% approval rating you’re spreading?
Edit:
To be clear, there’s a 99.9999% Bibi cancels the 2026 elections like he has every year since he cancelled the 2022 elections.
Yeah after like some light googling I realize I was entirely wrong. It must have been on some specific issue that I was against and absolutely fucked up in my big dumb head. But you’re right. Thank you, some faith restored in my worldview now.
So, a dictator.
Yep, as long as the bombs and money keep flowing to them they do not care
The only condemnation that will be effective will have a megaton rating
I don’t condone mass murder nor genocide nor any other weapon of mass destruction, even if the target is a vile government.
Just like here in the US, there are many, many people who are in utter disgust with how the things are going yet have ZERO control or ability to change the government other than vote and speak up. I’m sure there are still some people there who fight back. My ex, a photojournalist living in East Jerusalem spent the last 25+ years doing exactly that - granted she’s Jordanian married to a Palestinian, but she lives inside Israel. Should she be targeted by a bomb?
No one’s doing anything about it because you can’t have a conversation without people shutting down if you’re not 100% aligned with their point of view.
I do think I get what you’re insinuating. People equivocate their language when speaking about the State of Israel because disingenuous players will say, “THAT’S ANTISEMITIC” because they’re trying to trip you up and make you sound like you’re talking about Jewish people and not Israel.
At this point, however, I think that Israeli citizens who are turning a blind eye to the issues are just as guilty as Germans who did the same. Moreover, I would extend this indictment to fellow American citizens who aren’t doing anything.
Yes, but it’s both side. You get called antisematic for saying anything against Israeli policies in some places, but I find on Lemmy you get called hasbara and banned for saying anything even remotely critical of Palestinian actions. There can be no discourse to find any kind of reasonable path forward this way. So everyone moves further to their extremist sides thinking the other side is inhuman because they won’t listen. And we end up in a situation where both sides see the only solution as the complete destruction of the other.
You would get banned for doing Russian propaganda and claim criticism of Ukraine do not make you a russian propagandist
I would hope if I repeated any Russian propaganda I would get called out on it. Then a discussion could take place on what we know and what is probably fabricated. And there is a place for valid criticism of Ukrane policies I’m sure - blind agreement with any side is ignorant. Obvious there’s a shit ton more of a place for criticism of Russian policies. And context matters. But banning people just because they don’t agree with the exact narrow narrative of a mod is counter productive. Obviously if someone is just blindly repeating garbage noise or is offensive then a ban has its place. But we’ve got to take care not to ruin Lemmy by banning everything that’s not 100% in agreement with the hive mind. That leads to vacuous discourse
No context justify settler colonialism and genocide. Tou won’t fins anything in internstional always. Defending stuffs like that are not opinions
Most russian apologists are refuting concrete evidences. Those should be banned
Yes I’ve seen Russian apologists say stuff that is completely at odds with everything that I’ve seen reported. I think they’re lying and spewing propaganda, but I know in war that’s fairly normal and the West also spews propaganda. There’s sometimes a grain of truth; sometimes it is diametrically opposite of the truth. And then it can be interesting to dig down to the root message being played. But banning discussion should be reserved only for toxic messages, not just those that you disagree with. I’m sure there are Russians who actually believe Putin is doing the right thing based on the information they’ve been told - isn’t it good to find their sources and prove how they’re lies? They probably won’t admit it on the spot, but you can change minds through communication. It’s at least good to try.
“Israel treats journalism as a crime” isn’t a condemnation, it’s a gross understatement. You don’t drop bombs on criminals and then bomb Red Cross workers trying to get them out of the rubble and shoot up an ambulance taking them to hospital. It’s hard to find words to describe how deeply evil the everyday actions of Israel are and people are constantly making it sound like some mild transgression.
Another day, another dozen war crimes
Israel treats journalism as a crime,
How about Israel treats journalists like nazis treated Jews?
Journalism is so antisemitic these days.
That’s just fucking evil. Just pure irrational hatred.
A whole damn country full of psychopaths?
I mean, they invented a religion that places them as God’s chosen people, with a history of genocides and claiming regions backed up by that god. They wrote their stories as the victors and somehow still manage to sound like the bad guys.
Psychopathy was probably rife in the 12’tribes and I wouldn’t be surprised if it started with their dad, Jacob the maid fucker. Actually, probably his granddad, Abraham, the guy willing to kill his son to please god.
Either way, it’s been like this for centuries and don’t expect the country to suddenly change any time soon. The divine claim to the “land of milk and honey” has been their long-time casus belli for annihilating entire cities and civilisations + now with US protection!
I mean, they invented a religion that places them as God’s chosen people
Can you name a single religion whose creators didn’t?
Buddhism. Gnostic Christianity. Hinduism. Probably a whole bunch more, I’m no theologian.
The hideousflaw in the post you’re replying to isn’t that, though. It’s the idea that Israel invented Judaism, that Judaism is a monolith, that Israel is run on Jewish lines, and that Jews everywhere look to Israel for leadership.
That’s some fucked-up thinking there. That thinking sucks.
Buddhism
The ones who believe the only way to reach Nirvana is to follow the rigid steps of the Budda and no one else can enter?
A little bit of a stretch, and they have a different idea for “god” but it’s the same general idea, just no personification
If you meet the Buddha on the road to enlightenment, kill him.
Does that sound like following the rigid steps of the Buddha is a tenet of Buddhism?
I think most don’t, and even in Judaism it’s the more ethno-nationalist (i.e. Zionist) adherents that believe it. Christian nationalists and evangelicals do, but I don’t think Protestants or Catholics do. And outside of Abrahamic religions, like Hinduism, at most it’s kind of a “we’re right you’re wrong but idgaf”, unless again you’re getting into Hindu ethno-nationalism, but then the religion is just an excuse for facism and genocide, which brings us back around again.
I’ve been reading a lot of sociology of how people overcome “bad times” and unsurprisingly the answer is almost always connection. As Israel is fundamentally anti-connection state due to being found on explicit exclusionary principle - it can never overcome “bad times” and will forever be in conflict until this is corrected.
A whole damn country full of psychopaths?
The current government has cancelled four elections in a row because literally anyone else would easily win…
And the period before Bibi was six years of political upheaval.
Blaming all of Israel for Bibi is like blaming all of America for trump.
Even if those countries were actually fair democracies that doesn’t mean everyone agrees with their government
On the other hand the responses of Israelis in opinion polls are not encouraging. From last July:
Personal response to the reports from Gaza: From examining the conduct of the state, we moved to a more personal question, asking: “To what extent are you personally troubled or not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza?” A very large majority of Jewish respondents reported that they are not so troubled or not at all troubled personally by events in Gaza (79%), while the majority of Arabs said that they are very troubled or somewhat troubled (86%).
In the Jewish sample, we found no difference by gender (with 80% of women and 78% of men not troubled), while in the Arab sample we found that women are more troubled than men by the situation in Gaza (women, 92%; men, 80%).
Any time an opinion survey gives 4 options with no neutral answer and then lumps the responses into two categories…
A little alarm bell should go off in your head.
There’s also the last part of that section:
On this question as well, we found a much greater degree of concern on the Left for the suffering and hunger in Gaza than in the Center and on the Right.
And now we’re getting I to how Bibi’s repeated cancelation of elections and open immigration for hard right e tremists and virtually no one else to juice those numbers.
I couldn’t find a link to the poll, but it could be the vast majority of that 79% are effected by the standard psychological effects of how that survey was set up that anyone that stumbled past a grad level statistical analysis lecture in a drunken stupor would notice…
In fact, that set off so many of my alarm bells, I took two seconds to click the “about” section, see the guy running it also runs Home Depot, rembered how pro-Israel they are and even found you a source…
https://brusselsmorning.com/does-home-depot-back-israel-role-of-co-founder-bernie-marcus/77666/
You fell for propaganda…
They’re intentionally doing surveys that overstate Bibi’s support bro.
You think you’re hurting them, but you’re doing what Israel wants right now, you’re spreading their propaganda unintentionally…
Hey thanks for doing that critical investigation. Although I posted propaganda and that wasn’t smart of me, It’s good to know those numbers are likely a misrepresentation and Israelis may not be as thoroughly extreme as that report makes them look.
Israel killing innocent civilians is as required as eating kosher food.
Yeah, like they care.
This will all continue every day until someone shoots back.
Hamas and Hezbollah have been shooting back. It’s not enough.
They just take it as an excuse to bomb even more.
Israel’s excuses is a privilege not a necessity , thewy would still ethnic cleansing Palestinians . There is no other option but mix of armed resistance and diplomacy
As if they fucking care about being condemned.
Add it to the pile
When I’m in a being evil competition, and my opponent is The State of Israel:
Death to Israel. Zero right to exist.
in order to warp the narrative in the future, gotta bomb/kill the people reporting on it, so you can distract the next group of rubes from calling for your heads.
