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Not too late given what they’re going to try to do next
Could have said it a week ago, assholes.
How many Palestinian children died while you held your breath?
Could have said it
a week agodecades ago, assholes.Ftfy
I dunno, how many babies did Hamas terrorists decapitate?
So far, zero confirmed.
How does it matter how exactly they kill innocent people, including children of all ages?
Why would you even start to argue about this one specific detail? Because it is the only one where solid proof has not surfaced so far? What is there to gain?
My comment should not be read as an endorsement of Hamas behaviour, because it’s not.
It doesn’t matter. Children dying from decapitation is equally bad as children dying from airstrikes.
Is that worse than children dying of starvation, constant destruction of infrastructure and housing, or fuel and food blockades? Does it matter if the violence is directly inflicted or is just institutionalized?
Lol, what?
He said the wrong thing then got corrected.
“How does that matter!!” - you
Let’s see confirmation of your claim, then.
What claim? You want me to prove that it hasn’t been proven?
prove I don’t exist!
Let’s ask Netanyahu and IDF for some confirmation of THEIR claim, then.
Weird how you people think decapitations outweigh airstrikes.
Yeah, it’s gruesome and you can see the perpetrator, but that’s really it.
Israel constantly gets to hold some high ground in your mind because airstrikes on civilians are ‘civilized’ while shooting civilians is ‘barbaric.’
Killing civilians is killing civilians. Israel is king in that regard.
Shouldn’t you know? Why are people so happy to not know the basic facts of what they have opinions on?
The number, since you don’t know, and it seems you fucking should, is over 550. That’s the count for children, killed by Israel, since Saturday.
Oh, and the number of babies beheaded by Hamas? Zero. Had it happened, media would he all over it. Oh, and the whitehouse would certainly not have to do a correction that in fact Biden had not seen any pictures of it.
It’s ok to think a little bit critically. You should try it.
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West: “A little bit of genocide is fine but too much and you might make the rest of us look bad”
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Remember when the people of Israel were extremely oppressed by an extremist party?
Your argument won’t hold up. It’s a dumb way to think, be better.
Remember when the world stood up and tried to eradicate that extremist party? That’s what’s hopefully going to happen now.
What an insane justification for genocide
except that by bombing Civilians they will inevitably create new Hamas-Terrorist.
In any given exchange of violence for these actors, it is a pretty reliable bet to say that there will be about a 10:1 ratio of Palestinians versus Israelis killed. I expect that we will see between 10k and 20k Palestinians killed, and probably somewhere less than 2k total Israelis killed. I think there will be fewer people killed by bombs and bullets than by the blockade. I suspect 90% of the casualties will be civilians. I think that all of the people who die in fear and pain while hiding in their homes as well as those who die on the barricades will be forgotten in a year or so.
I also suspect that the remaining checks on Bibi’s already significant power will end, and that Hamas will effectively cease to exist as a political power.
Much like the 2.5 million Palestinians trapped in the Gaza strip, Hamas ain’t going nowhere.
Their existence depended on their existence being more politically palatable than the level of effort necessary for their elimination.
A modern nation-state like Israel or the US relies on a principle of disproportionate response to deter aggression. You have the most far-right, violent, and most corrupt government in the history of the state in charge and, as a result of the scale and targets of the “unprovoked” attack, they have the support of the only countries whose support matters in situations like these. The level of violence executed against Israel was enough to piss it off, but not to hurt it at all. None of their very significant military capacity was diminished. Hamas doesn’t have an Air Force. They don’t have any SAMs to speak of. They are cut off from resupply. They have no armored vehicles nor the ability to defend against them in significant number. Their “artillery” consists of unguided rockets they can fire in a general direction and which inflict so little damage as to be militarily ignorable and which only count as a “terror weapon” because it helps Israeli propaganda. They are politically and geographically isolated. They will not be resupplied. Israel on the other hand has a blank check and supply lines that cannot be interrupted.
If Israel decides to effect a ground incursion, it will be over rubble. They will call in airstrikes from fighter-bombers that the Palestinians will not be able to defend against. This is not Afghanistan. This is not Ireland.
Netanyahu is going to proceed as if he has a mandate to end this, and he is a very hard person. I do not think it gave him enough inertia to do to Gaza what Putin did to Crimea - I don’t think they can simply call it part of Israel now - but there’s going to be a reckoning.
What we are seeing right now is the limited response. I’ve been on the wrong end of irregular infantry. I’ve never been on the wrong end of modern armor, air, and artillery. I don’t recommend either, but the effects of the latter are indescribable. That’s not even touching on intelligence and special services, who I am very certain are being tasked as we speak.
Life in Gaza is about to get intensely worse for civilians. It will remain much worse than it was long after the last shell gets fired.
I honestly cannot see any way that this results in anything but an across the board loss for hamas. I also think it’s going to crush Gaza. Making life in Gaza even worse than it was is really hard, but I think they managed to make sure that comes about.
Their existence depended on their existence being more politically palatable than the level of effort necessary for their elimination.
And, ya know, also Netanyahu/Israel themselves.
I agree, but all I am going to say is that it will be interesting to read additional facts as they start to come out in the next several years with leaks and memoirs.
I am not a conspiracy theorist. I don’t think Bush did 9/11 and I don’t think FDR did Pearl Harbor. Human failure in war - including intelligence failure - is a constant that has been observed from something as foundational as Clausewitz to the Want of a Horseshoe Nail.
Historically since 2008 to just before the conflict was 21:1, it’ll be more 100:1 by the end.
I’ve been out of that business for a while and was going off of memory, so I’ll go with your numbers.
I do think the world will pull the plug on this particular situation before there are 100k Palestinians dead unless Iran or Syria gets involved. I think the problem is going to be that the rate of death is going to go vertical, and it won’t be possible to stop before it hits 10k, which could happen in a month or less depending on what they do with electricity and fuel.
It’s what the UN states showed last I checked.
I remain hopeful I just think it’s very unlikely anyone can or will step in.
I think that other states will step in, and I think Israel will step back and say “What the fuck did we do?”
But history doesn’t make me think that’s going to happen nearly soon enough.
The thing is America already tried bombing an idea out of existence twice in Vietnam and Afghanistan and it failed twice. I just don’t see how brutal conflict does anything more then inspire the next generation of extremist. We need to break the cycle of violence.
I’m not saying that the desire for Palestinian autonomy is going to be ended. I’m saying that Hamas-the-organization is going to cease to be an effective factor in it. It will be replaced by another organization, or several. I could certainly see another intifada coming out of this.
But you can most certainly bomb (and buy) an idea out of existence. There was a time when there existed a pan-Arab movement. Partly post-colonial, partly anti-Israel, partly Third World-ism in reaction to the Cold War, it tried to unite the Arab world across the borders drawn by the colonialist countries.
It went down in flames due to
- Their inability to do the one thing they set as their biggest goal, which was the military conquest of Israel.
- US and USSR intelligence operations, diplomatic engagement, and economic and military cooperation
- Internal factionalism and personal greed
That’s actually where politicized Islam has its roots - in the defeat of modern, semi-socialist Arab internationalism. Looking back, we would probably have been better off with the pan-Arab movement becoming an entity that could make peace with Israel (like Egypt did) than have political Islam replace what at the end of the day was basic national aspirations in the post-colonial period.
What a useless statement. There is no way to break the cycle while Hamas exists. You know that.
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Yes yes, you want the genocidal of all Palestinian, don’t need to sugarcoat that.
Escalation? Didn’t they already bomb the shit out of that country’s innocent civilian population as literally nothing but cold blooded revenge and hatred? (And this is just talking about this month, not even talking about the past…).
Man, fuck those guys. Religion and politics of the region aside, I don’t know how any people or nation can support governments who take these official actions of mass murder and genocide right before our very eyes.
They might as well be Russia for all the evil they’re doing, except they’re not even pretending they’re doing it to help the Palestinians. They’re just gleefully bombing and starving women, boys, children, babies, en masse.
And no, just because they were also attacked horribly doesn’t give them the right to murder civilians like savages.
They’re supposedly a functional developed nation, they should understand basic things like rules of engagement, proportional and measured response, and, you know… not officially and happily committing unforgivable war crimes :-/
Man, fuck those guys.
We fully support you! But hold back guys.
Here’s more ammunition for bombing everyone, but please don’t bomb the wrong target :(
I’m sure Israel will pay as much attention to that as we paid to the rest of the world when they were all like “no dude there’s no nukes in Iraq what the fuck are you talking about”
That’ll work.
Egg them on and support them for 75 years and then tell them to chill out right before they wrap everything up.
Wrap everything up? This is a forever war until there’s a 2 state solution
You are more optimistic than I.
Here we go again
The bottom one is even worse in many ways.
The fact that it had previously had the tendrils of the British Empire in it, doesn’t mean they ever “owned” them. That’s Palestine in the first map, whether Britain agreed at the time or not. It’s their land.
No shit that plan was rejected, it gave up a ton of land, including most of the coast. Why would anyone agree to that.
Next pic, you decide it doesn’t exist at all. Cool.
Then Israel conquers the area of Jordan that was previously part of Palestine. Land that was never theirs, even by your own maps.
Then, in the final pic, Israel, out of the kindness of their heart, gives a tiny amount of (continuously shrinking) land and apartheid rule.
Like, give me a break. That’s supposed to be better?
Strange that two nearly identical maps are so diametrically labeled, but that’s the Internet, huh?
Aside from the nominal, both are accurate representations of steadily decreasing Palestinian territory.
Are you making a different point or is this intended as supplemental material?
Strange, that you cannot interpret a difference between your own fictional construct, and a timeline of reality.
Iit is not strange to point out the identical territories in a silly image pretending nearly identical pictures saying the same thing are opposites.
As a Jew, I’m glad that world leaders saying something and standing up for the protection of innocents.
On an unrelated note - why do we care what Yanis tweets about this? So weird to have that in this article.
