For the people who didn’t read the article - apparently everyone in this thread - the reason for the postponement is not Trump’s comments, despite how the headline makes it sound.
Iran are smart enough to let Trump mouth off. What killed the talks is that Israel killed a bunch more people in Lebanon today.
This was inevitable. Iran wants a muzzled Israel as a condition of the war ending. Israel doesn’t want the war to end with anything less than the total destruction of Iran (they certainly don’t want a capitulation that actually leaves Iran stronger). So Israel are going to deliberately break the ceasefire until one of three things happens;
- Iran stops calling them on it (there is zero evidence that this will happen).
- Trump gives up on peace and commits to a full scale invasion.
- Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.
As I’ve noted elsewhere, this war isn’t remotely close to over. US vs Iran was the pre-show. Defeating AIPAC’s iron grip on US politics is the main event.
Stupid headlines
Annoyingly, it’s technically accurate, but extremely misleading.
If I say my friend died after eating at Arby’s, while neglecting to mention the part where he went to a bar, got stinking drunk and wrapped his car around a tree, the entire statement is technically true. Those events did happen, in that order. He certainly didn’t die before eating at Arby’s. But there’s an implied cause and effect that has nothing to do with the reality.
The fortune teller gave me some grim news, she said that I’m going to die after eating at Arby’s 8(. I haven’t been to one in decades but now I’ll never go back for sure.
Technically, some day I will die after eating at Arby’s and that’s a horrifying thought.
What if I’ve never eaten at an Arby’s? Am I technically immortal?
Probably, the unfortunate part is that you’re going to die now that you’ve posted a comment referring to Arby’s on Lemmy
- trump declares mission accomplished and invades cuba so he can feel stronk.
That doesn’t solve the strait, and the US is about a month away from having too little crude oil to actually run their refineries (you have to maintain a certain pressure level in the pipes or the whole system stops). We haven’t seen the real oil crisis yet. The real oil crisis is 10x gas prices, rationing, grounded planes… It would be cataclysmic.
Trump has to pick an option here. If declaring victory and walking away was possible he would have done it already.
oh I was not way implying it would.
Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.
Does he realize he could just bomb israel instead? Is he stupid?
No. Yes.
A forever war, then?
We have ways been at war with Eastasia.
West Asia
In George Orwell’s 1949 dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, the world is divided into three superstates: Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia, which are all fighting each other in a perpetual war in a disputed area mostly located around the equator.
Currently, based on public statements from him and Vance, it actually looks like Trump thinks a fight with AIPAC is more winnable than a fight with the global oil market. Both he and Vance have been pretty openly threatening Israel. Whether they’ll have the spine to put some steel in those threats is to be seen, but that seems to be the direction they’re leaning, at least for now.
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Yeah, it’s pretty astonishing. I never thought I’d see the day.
4 - like in 2006. Hezbollah force israel to retreat
I’d unconditionally surrender if I had to change nothing and receive 300 billion.
This is the terrifying bit to me, FTA:
In his latest interview, Trump told Axios that there are “no limits” to his power and the peace deal is “probably is unconditional surrender” of Iran.
Trump was asked what the conflict had taught him about the limits of his power. Trump replied: “I haven’t learned that lesson yet. I know there are, but there are no limits.”
Yeah. He is either incredibly delusional about what is going on or his administration is really great at keeping him in the dark.
He keeps himself in the dark, because his brain doesn’t work.
Both because of dementia and because of life long narcissism at least.
It would be incredibly sad if it didn’t have such widespread consequences. He always was a dumb narcissist, but he really is deteriorating mentally quickly in the past year, and he never was that bright to begin with. He should be in an elderly home, not the oval office.
He is a dishonest piece of shit, so all of these can be true.
Sounds a bit like this Austrian wannabe painter. He also thought that there is no limit.
I know there are, but there are no limits.
The fuck does that mean
Not like Israel was ever going to get on board anyway. Deal was dead from day 1. Same pump n dump every week
America holds the leash; Israel depends on America’s diplomatic, military, and financial support to continue existing. Every time a US president has tugged at the leash, Israel has come to heel.
This is the smallest president we’ve ever had.
Plus he is 100% compromised, there is no way they don’t have blackmail on him. Given his (the shitbirds) history, both recent and ancient, I wonder what type of blackmail would actually change the minds of his supporters or convince the US to actually pursue justice on his stained ass.
Epstein was literally an Israeli political operative. They know where every single body is buried.
Honestly I think the reason Russia has a bit less hold is that the pee tape (presuming 14 year olds or so) simply doesn’t matter as much as it once did.
America may hold Israel’s leash, but AIPAC holds the GOPs balls in a vice.
Remember, Trump is signing this surrender document because he sees this as the least damaging option politically.Now he’s going to have to weigh the damage of a full scale war with Iran against the damage of angering one of the most powerful political groups in America.
AIPAC have always played both sides; they’re with the GOP right now because the GOP offered full throated support of their genocide in Gaza, while the Dems only offered lukewarm support. But they’ll gladly flip to being all in on the Dems, with whom they still have very close ties, if that’s what it takes to get Trump out of power. Either that or they’ll engineer a Never-Trumper coup within the GOP. Or both.
And that’s before we even consider that Israel certainly has all the real dirt on Epstein.
Controlling Israel is easy. Controlling AIPAC is going to be the biggest political bloodbath of our lifetimes.
The so called lukewarm support
During Biden
70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed
92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed
80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities
Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water.
75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyededit: the sources
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/01/1158741
https://www.dezeen.com/2025/01/22/gaza-housing-92-per-cent-destroyed-damaged-un-report
You have sources for this?
Thanks
Yes, exactly. But they also wrung their hands about it and cried some crocodile tears in public, which was enough to get AIPAC to fully side with the GOP.
My issue is the word lukewarm. It was not lukewarm in fact it was worse during Biden then during Trump. Both are equally responsible for the genocide regardless.
The notion that Biden more strongly supported Isreal’s genocide than Trump has is ludicrous. And that’s not a defence of Biden, it’s just a simple fact. It’s like pointing out that John Wayne Gacy killed more people than Ted Bundy. You’re still allowed to consider both of them despicable monsters.
And yes, they’re both equally responsible, but I never mentioned responsibility, did I? The point was always about who AIPAC wanted to hitch their wagon to, not who actually did what harm.
I literally gave you the data showing that Biden is worse. Biden lied about seeking a cease fire blamed Hamas for it when it was Israel who kept refusing to accept and add new terms. The term lukewarm is ridiculous whatever you apply it to Biden or Trump.
Since July, all of the sources I have spoken to confirmed that Hamas had accepted Biden’s ceasefire proposal that was endorsed by the UN Security Council, which is premised on an 18-weeks long ceasefire divided into three phases, at the end of which there would be a permanent end to the Gaza war after all hostages have been released. The same sources, as well as Israeli media, and the Egyptian mediators have consistently blamed Netanyahu for obstructing the talks and refusing to end the war. Even in the latest ongoing round of negotiations, senior Israeli security officials are sounding the alarm that their Prime Minister is still sabotaging the talks. Yet, the White House keeps insisting that Hamas is “the obstacle.”
I am tired about all the talk about Aipac too. Aipac is funded by Americans , shitty American Politicians willfully accepted being funded by them and stupid American willfully voted for them for decades
I think you’re underestimating the extent to which if the US establishment decides AIPAC is a problem for its own interests they can destroy its influence overnight. Especially with weakened democratic norms and checks and balances, no group, no matter how well connected can be safe from an unhinged executive acting in the name of “saving the country”. If AIPAC becomes a problem to them, if it no longer serves them, they will deal with it. Similar to how whoever doesn’t play nice with Putin meets various kinds of windows.
It is not an accident that a part of the MAGAsphere has already pivoted against Israel. And remember that the fascists have no actual solutions to anything, just an infinite progression of “purification”. They would have zero qualms about going full antisemite within the US if it suited them. And when that time comes, the Zionists will experience the actual difference between antisemitism and antizionism in practice.
Not underestimating that at all, I just think it’s going to take a LOT for the administration to get there. AIPAC’s influence and money have a massive effect on US elections. There’s a reason both parties are so friendly to them even when public opinion is decidedly against Israel.
Money is votes in US elections. I sincerely doubt that the current administration is going to end Citizens United just to shut out Israel.
Oh yes, I agree. It would be a major major shift.
There’s a reason both parties are so friendly to them
Because AIPAC’s policy aligns with the military-industrial complex. Funding Israel funds Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, etc, whom funds their campaigns.
Oh. You were serious. Let me laugh harder. HAHAHAHAHA!
Israel led a successful campaign to capture political assets through a combination of blackmail, political lobbying (it’s not only AIPAC), spying through government software they sell and decades of interweaving into US defense.
The 80 year old man has the leash tied on and can’t let go
Tehran Surrender
Wrong.
Unconditional
Also wrong.
Conditional US Surrender
There it is.
He promised unconditional surrender, the media is saying he did not deliver that, and he looks like a bitch, which he is, and so now is just guiding his sheep and trolls and thralls to pretend he won so he doesn’t look like a bitch.
He’s not fooling anyone outside the flock though. President dickhead is a bitch. He’s Israel’s bitch.
Hahahahahahahaha fucking hell
He single handedly save the US from the jaws of success
In so many ways.
Fucking idiot.
The remaining Orange’s
freefew brain cells did an unconditional surrender.Really makes you feel for the attempted assassins, they had a tough marksmanship challenge when trying to liberate those cells.
His sphincter unconditionally surrendered a decade ago
TACO time again?
Mighty morphin taco time!
What can be done about these terrible click-bait “news” headlines? It’s just awful. A high school newspaper has more accurate headlines. Personally, I’d like to see news organizations that do this banned from being shared here if the poster uses the canned spam title with the post.
Maybe there is a news instance that doesn’t allow this. I’ll be outside shouting at clouds.
I’d like to see news organizations that do this banned from being shared here if the poster uses the canned spam title with the post.
then nothing would be posted.
I don’t disagree with your point that editorialized headlines are just awful, but if you were to ban sources based on this criteria on lemmy, the information just wouldn’t be posted on lemmy.
The thing that annoys me more is that the article and the headline have been updated now to say that the talks were called off because of Israeli strikes on Hezbollah.
I was curious not so much about what Trump said, but whether it actually affected negotiations.
Trump boasts of Tehran’s [start mumble] acceptance of our [end mumble] ‘unconditional surrender’
Ah what a waste of time and money for everyone
There weren’t any conditions left after you fulfilled them all…
Oh dear, is he really going to fail at failing?
