Hey a lot of Americans hate America because of Trump, too.
I’d also say most of the world hates America because of Trump. He’s a global parasite.
I am starting to hate it because of America’s tepid reaction to Trump
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not enough people
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not enough hate
(See 2024)
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If America saw what America was doing to America then America would invade America and liberate America.
One thing that’s really frustrating is that in other countries where democracy is in danger you see huge protests in the streets.
That gives the distinct impression that even if the average American doesn’t support what Trump is doing, they don’t really oppose it enough to bother shutting down the country.
I ask myself for quite some time now: where are Americas young people? In most countries, if something goes as wrong as in America at the moment, the first who respond with protests are the students. Just check out India. But in the US there are only a few local protest about the middle east. No mass protests, not even discussions as far as I can tell. Why is that?
I think there are two main reasons. The first is that things simply haven’t gotten bad enough. It’s true, there is a health care crisis killing tens of thousands a year, rampant human rights violations in ICE concentration camps, brazen corruption in the administration, etc. But for most of the uneducated and uninformed middle class, these things don’t directly affect their daily lives.
The second reason is that the mass indoctrination campaign concerning American exceptionalism has been immensely successful. So while many Americans agree some things could be improved, they are unsure of what those things are because they also still believe the US is one of the best places in the world to live, even as the US has steadily tumbled down the quality-of-life rankings and now arguably ranks below the likes of Estonia and Slovenia. The belief in exceptionalism has fostered a rather meek and servile attitude towards the government.
And that’s why American exceptionalism and any other kind of national exceptionalism needs to die
It will take a economic depression, mass unemployment, civil unrest, oil prices going to the moon, civil war, hyperinflation and mass famine to kill American exceptionalism
The focus on petrol prices and inflation are, to me, also curious aspects of American culture.
For one, one of the major problems in the US economy is that petrol prices are too low. In general, to optimize productivity one should aim to subsidize those activities that generate positive externalities, and tax those that generate negative externalities. The use of fossil fuels - a heavily polluting activity - should then be adequately taxed. No top-tier economy has petrol prices as low as in the US, they are closer to 10 USD a gallon (in freedom units). The undertaxation of fossil fuels has also led to greater sensitivity to price fluctuations on the global markets.
Inflation is a curious fixation since the US, unlike many other countries, never experienced hyperinflation. So why the obsession? I suspect one factor might be that the US has few collective wage negotiations, whereas here inflation is more or less automatically priced into wages. What then happens is that workers who stay in their job have their wages steadily eroded (i.e., their employer simply pays them a lower real wage over time), but then if they switch jobs, they attribute the wage increase to their career advancement rather than inflation, which increases the price of labour just as it does the price of goods (if due to money losing value).
tens of thousands a year is just a rounding error in statesia.
theres also enough wage-wise to not protest, plus still food for even the poorest, and social programs, aka welfare. pay even working a min wage is better than most places in the world.
Okay, “most” of the world, sure, but that is not a very high bar. Yes, Americans are much better off than people in the Central African Republic, Myanmar or Venezuela.
You prove my point. In fact, US people working a minimum wage job have a much lower net income (including transfers) than those living on the lowest possible unemployment benefits in top-tier economies, who by the way also have access to adequate health care, top-tier education (without bullshit class-based admission procedures or segregation), much better public transport, etc.
After the Civil rights and anti-Vietnam protests of the 60s and 70s, public policy changed to quietly hoover up all of the hippies via the drug war and cut funding for universities and colleges. That, plus McCarthyism and the oil shortage lead to Boomers being one of the most conservative generations in American history. They, along with the government, pushed this idea of freedom through self-reliance and hard work. Those were always the undercurrent of America’s politics, but now there were basically no dissenting voices (cause they were all in jail for possession or for being a commie).
The next generations of leftist voices were crushed by the heel of capitalism. Since college and university cost more, individuals participating either needed to already have money (thus be more likely to swallow the “individual effort” freedom narrative) or needed to take out loans (thus needed to keep their mouth shut, since student loans are “forever loans” that can’t be forgiven via bankruptcy and they needed employment to pay them back). High school and lower education was stripped of “commie” talking points, meaning the sole narrative taught to young people before college was “America is the best cause of our freedom” nonsense. Unions were taken during this time with “right to work” laws, handing more unchecked power to corporations.
Right now in America, there’s a resurgence of leftist voices, but these are students with no masters. We have to rebuild the organizations to support these efforts, but that takes time. In the interim, you’ll see mass protests break out from time to time when things get bad, but our lack of generational knowledge on how to utilize these efforts means they’ll come and go fairly quickly as individuals are unsure of what comes next. And before those protests can solidify around a single message or platform, mass media will come in to give them a shit one, or twist the actual one to lose public support. That’s why the George Floyd protests were big and loud, but didn’t really drive any consistent goals. The “defund” narrative was constructed around the movement before it could actually decide that was its goal, and that was too an extreme for position for the average American in that moment (think the Overton shifted on that, now), killing the momentum the movement was gaining.
Another thing is that the gov’t targets leaders of these movements and finds a way to put them in jail or kill them. Meaning being the face of the movement is basically guaranteed to get you killed or silenced. So none of these modern protests have true leaders (not single strong men, mind, but actual decision making bodies in general), making it hard to quickly organize messaging and actions. Putting them even more flat-footed for when the next moment arises.
Also, any popular protest in the US that doesn’t include rioting gets basically no air time. The George Floyd protests went on for months after the news stopped covering them. Minneapolis’ response to operation metro surge outlasted the operation, but you don’t hear about it being celebrated.
Don’t come in here with a rational examination of material conditions in America! We’re here to be Mad at the Lazy Americans!
Yeah, in the US, the protestors are mostly older people. I think maybe they’re too anxious and don’t want to jeopardize their future careers? Maybe they saw the concerted effort to ruin pro-Palestine protestor’s lives? Most companies do background checks (I’ve had to get a background check to work at Burger King), and even a single arrest on your record is enough to have you automatically filtered out. Maybe they saw that the BLM protests didn’t really cause the government to change much. Idk. It is weird though.
And maybe most importantly, they’re too distracted to be politically motivated at all. They have ephemeral anger and reactions that fizzle out as soon as they form. The next scandal, the next season on Netflix, the next meme. They aren’t given time to think enough to care. By design.
it was actually occupy wallstreet, they saw there wasnt much going on, so nothing must be bad.
One of my professors was actively involved during the civil rights era and her words have really stuck with me. She said, speaking directly to our class, if you kids were in the civil rights era you wouldn’t last a second. I fear she was completely correct.
“Yet here you are with a secure job, maybe even tenure, assets, established support networks, and a platform, doing fuck all about it while expecting us to flush our education down the toilet while still saddled with debt during the worst economy in decades, to take all the risk of starting a revolution for you.”
Tbh here in india as well we all feel the same way. We have been fucked since all the way back in 2014 and even before that tbh but lets not get into that. And idk about the US but a lot of people here do not protest because most people literally work on daily wages and are shit scared of police brutality and losing their jobs. A single FIR can ruin your life even if it is a fake one. And the “government”(regime) is very good at dishing out polarizing narratives with its humongous IT cell that constantly shifts blame to minorities such as muslims, christians and lower caste Hindus, and immigrants from neighboring states.
The recent protest were a result a lot of things going right. As paper leaks are a pan India issue and effected everyone from lower to upper caste and of every religion. The amount of frustration simply outpaced any government narratives. As well as a very well organized movement by educated people and a very high profile engineer taking part in the protest. It is still a very hopeful thing overall. But thousands still die from basic issues like contaminated ground water, toxic air, a power grid incapable of handling modern 45C + summers (ACs are still a luxury here the average person and classroom does not have). Endless concrete hell where you can just die by a brick falling on you from a construction site in the middle of a busy road. Bridges just randomly collapsing and what not. And there are zero protests anywhere. Even if there are, all the media is owned by the government and you do not see it enough for it to get large enough.
Even rn they r actively arresting students from protests for no reasons at all and used violence against them back in July 20 to again just sow enough fear where people simply accept being miserable than dealing with the state.
As long as people believe risking their current way of life is not a good trade off there simply can not be a mass protest movement. The paper leak issue worked coz it already has about 1% of chance of you making it and if even that is bought by money, students have literally nothing as there are no mid level industrial jobs here. You are either working an office MNC/Doctoral job or are working in a field under disguised unemployment or washing dishes. Hence we got so many people out.
Their infrastructure prevents protest
Why is that? Because you’re completely in the dark. Either your media don’t report, you don’t bother to research, you’re an idiot, or all 3.
When 8 million Americans protest nationwide in our largest ever protest, and you completely ignore it, I ask myself for quite some time: where is our international solidarity partners? All they do is spread falsehoods about lack of protest here while looking down on us.
Jesus dude, why so hostile? There’s nothing inherently wrong with not knowing enough about something.
where is our international solidarity partners?
Solidarity with the nation currently being aggressive toward various instances of its “allied” countries? I can’t see how it’s reasonable to expect any one citizen of those countries to give any amount of support to the nation currently threatening their home’s stability. There’s no practical reason to do anything more than reduce its interactions with said country for the sake of its own citizens’ livelihoods. Global relations are a matter of give and take, and right now all the US is doing is taking.
Solidarity with the nation currently
No! Solidarity with us - Americans who couldn’t agree more with your assessment of that government and are grieving their democracy. Do we get even symbolic support? Nope. We get accused of not protesting when we are.
And if you think he was simply ignorant, you need to read his follow up reply to me.
Not surprising at all. Look at how many convinced themselves to stay home the one time they couldve prevented this shitstorm.
Which is why we hate the entire US, not just tRump.
Our society has been designed so that taking even an hour off to vote or protest means no food on the table.
Could that with the critical mass who don’t give a shit and, well, yeah, no movement.
General strike just cannot happen because of that, so violent revolution is the only next step but even that is unlikely.
Nah, it will happen. All it takes is a spark when tensions are high enough (they aren’t yet).
Our society has been designed so that taking even an hour off to vote or protest means no food on the table.
And you think that’s not the case in Hungary or Hong Kong?
it only works if everyone is affected equally, in america people still have food, some are still paid highly enough not to do much, and people still have things like welfare, if govt strips that away there will definitely be mass unrest. republicans/dems still have those things plus a job. HK people enjoyed freedom from ccp rule for decades, but since ccp tried exert thier rule, the protests came out.
Our society has been designed so that taking even an hour off to vote or protest means no food on the table.
And you think that’s not the case in Hungary or Hong Kong?
propaganda also have convinced protestors as a nuisance to thier daily commute, and “disruptive” plus its villinized as lazy, jobless people on both sides. The MSMs also dont report much on it at all to give it more attention, since the news is mostly owned by republicans. thats why there isnt cohesion. unless both rs and ds, lost thier jobs as a result of trump there wont be any protests.
Spotted this in the Hong Kong one 😄
8 million Americans protested at over 3,300 No Kings events nationwide on Saturday March 28, the largest single-day protest in American history. Source
I know the only goal here is to shit on the US but there are plenty of ways to do that on legitimate points without making up absolute bullshit, so please eat a nice fat American dick with this nonsense.
One protest, 4 months ago.
Yeah, that’s definitely going to defeat fascism.
Oh we’re up from zero to one, I see. The largest in American history, and no it has not been the only one. Your response is pathetic. Doubling down where you have been shown to be wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Wow, you’re so emotional. One protest on one day. Meanwhile, in Hong Kong their protests were an ongoing thing for more than a year until they were interrupted by the COVID pandemic. The German anti-AFD protests started in January 2024 and are still ongoing, more than 2.5 years later.
You haven’t “shown me to be wrong”, you’ve misinterpreted what I said and then got all butthurt. The rest of the world doesn’t respect the US because the US protests were one and done, and didn’t actually change anything.
It’s not just Trump. It’s the Tea Party and Bush, too. We’ve spent the last quarter century looking over our shoulder waiting for the next catastrophe that Americans will cause and we’re sick of it.
Honestly I’m sick of American arrogance too, the American empire should balkanize and die
I’m sure that there is plenty of arrogance from Idaho to Georgia… the electoral college has given way too much of a voice for the flyover states even though they are the minority. I can guarantee you that the coastal communities in the States hate what our country has become as much as you Canucks do. Western Washington/Oregon/California have hated the maga movement from the beginning, unfortunately billionaires use it to pocket tax dollars left and right, and the simps in purple states are down for the billionaire cause despite the fact that they will spend hundreds of millions of dollars to elect officials who are against a universal healthcare bill.
Yeah, well said. I still think that America should balkanize
Are you also rooting for Alberta’s secession?
Nope
Over 70% of the country wants him gone, but from an outsider’s perspective, all they see is the fact that we voted him in.
It’s going to take a very long time to undo the damage caused by Trump. Nobody is ever going to trust the United States again, unless we put safeguards in place to ensure that someone like him can never gain this level of unchecked power ever again. And I just don’t see that happening in any of our lifetimes.
You’ll never undo it. America’s pre-Trump position in the world was due to the fact that it was the only major power left standing after World War II. After the rest of the world rebuilt itself America was entrenched enough to maintain its position through inertia. When that inertia’s gone, it won’t come back.
You hate the same people we hate, Canada. Those people are broken, ignorant assholes before they are Americans. Their bullshit ruins the world for all of us.
So like, do something about it maybe?
Really quick, list what you think civilized, nonmilitary, individual folks with families should do against a 50 year systemic plan, funded with trillions and led by literal psychopaths fixed on destabilizing democracy to rebuild a fascist autocracy in their own image? Every day is a real internal struggle of what to do next. Many of us have spent decades opposing in every way typical folks can, bleeding, arrest, life threatening opposition face to face with swat teams as unarmed, untrained every day people.
Your response is not helpful. It trivializes one of the largest issues in the history of civilation with no clear solution ahead.
The point of my response is that WE are not opposed, so don’t try to make the good folks into opponents. Grow up, see the bigger picture and support. Offer solutions and plan on what your personal line will be when this all finds it’s way to you.
Whatever you though the Germans should have done to the Nazis pre-WWII. Whatever you think the Russians should do to Putin. Whatever you think Israelis should do with Netanyahu.
My grandpa fought in WWII. He never asked the Germans if they supported Hitler, though. He just dropped rocket artillery on them from a few km away.
Was the punishment of Germany for WWI not at all relevant. Not the refusal of most other nations to take in Jews when Germany tried to ship them away not relevant either?
If you were to ask me it, I would have suggested to not abjectly punish an entire nation for the actions of aristocrats and not close international boarders to refugees due to discrimination against a minority group as factors that outside nations can do.
Alternatively, Germany did need… outside intervention…
For the purposes of my point, the Treaty of Versailles and the refusal to accept refugees is irrelevant. Both examples are approaching a Heckler’s Veto, but kind of in reverse?
My point is more realpolitik: we can’t expect people to distinguish between the good americans and the bad americans in a situation where the US is hostile to the world. Honestly, I think it’s a bit late to fix that.
I also don’t really have any good solutions. Roughly 30% of any given population will always be susceptible to fascism, that’s been studied. That will always be with us. There are also strategies to prevent full fascism, but those need to be carried out consistently on a societal level.
Lol the “WhY aReN’t ThEy dOinG aNyThInG tO StOp It” people never, ever have an answer to a reasoned response like this.
They also never notice the identical moves being made in their own governments. Like the afd in Germany of all places.
No, those people never have an answer to when it’s them that should be doing something.
Go to any thread about Ukraine, it’s why aren’t Russians doing anything to stop it. Same with Israel, same with Mexico (why are they leaving instead of fixing their country?), etc.
In this particular case the US is about to become the center of the new bad guys of WW3, and Americans are, in fact, not doing enough to stop it.
Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
Curious, what would you recommend the Americans do?
A general strike. Actually disruptive protest that hits supply lines or commerce. Actual resistance actions that people in oppressive governments elsewhere have employed.
I said “Fuck it” and left. Took a 75% pay cut and left everything behind. The system dies when people abandon it.
No regrets.
Most folks don’t have your privilege and are trapped in that shitty fucking hell hole. It’s great that you made it out but the majority of those who are suffering have no such option.
I do recognize I’m lucky and it’s true that the majority don’t have the option, but I think a lot more do than realize it, especially if you’re willing to fill a need for labor in a country that’s got a shortage.
It’s definitely a path worth exploring.
I wouldn’t call taking a 75% pay cut ‘privilege’. That’s a big sacrifice. But I get your point.
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It’s fucking up your world too, and you’re a border away. We’re not for the same reason you’re not.
Thats the dumbest argument Ive seen in a while. Its your country, not mine. Canada is not doing enough but at least we’re trying to economically distance ourselves. Its not our job to fix your shit. Thats some victim blaming shit right there.
You guys on the other hand are just letting your government trample on you.
As per my point, this is why Canadians dont respect Americans. You guys complain and do nothing.
Also the fact that you immediately go to ‘we cant shoot them so what do you want us to do?’ is the most American dumbfuck response.
It’s kind of like how Canada has systematically killed indigenous people. I’m sure plenty of people don’t/didn’t like it, but it still happens through systematic neglect and violence of that group. The US was able to utilize systematically racism to a much broader scale, and is now using it to push through fascism.
I mean, California lost gun rights under a conservative government that wanted to disarm blacks. But the country still thinks that liberals made it happen… Somehow…
Regardless, it is our country, it is our problem, but it will fuck us all. So any useful advice would be appreciated, rather than just try harder.
Except when people give advice the answer is usually one of the following:
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That wont work in America because America is different™.
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You dont understand, people are struggling to make ends meet so it isnt practical.
The truth is Americans have never been interested in advice from others and sure arent now. You need to act. Literally anything is better than whats happened so far.
The bottom line is this. If you arent willing to make sacrifices to keep your freedom, you better start accepting your overlords. This has been true throughout human history and will be true for Americans.
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As a Canadian, it’s Trump
…AND his supporters
…AND you can throw in Christofascists
…AND Christian fundamentalists.
So since Westboro for me, personally.
started way before that, at least Bush for millennials.
I don’t think this is news. I don’t think anyone was waiting for a verdict. Since we’re just throwing opinions out there instead of facts what about this one? “Canadians Hate Thalidomide Because of the Birth Defects”. I know, I know, not as current, but still not news!
This just in, Canadians hate explosive diarrhea lettuce. 85% polled say “keep your poopy cooties south of the border”.
No shit.
Many Americans do, too.
Yeah, Same here honestly
Was this still a question? I thought that ship sailed long ago, with everyone but Israel.
Ah, who am I kidding, Israel hates us, too.
Hey Canada, a lot of Americans are right there with you.
Cool. So do something about it.
That is really hard to do. Canadians are super friendly so if you’ve pissed them off you must really be a dickhead.
I’d think less of them if they didn’t.
By “no confidence” we mean no trust. When our closest ally declares economic warfare through tariffs, threatens annexation, and blackmails the opening an international bridge, there is no trust left. Canadians are smart enough to know this won’t end after Trump is gone. It will take decades to reverse. We will develop stronger relationships with other countries, something that we should have done earlier anyway. The U.S.A. can burn their own house down - we don’t care. Just don’t try to burn ours with it.
Could say sorry, but that won’t cut it. I just hope you see there are people here in the us that want all of maga leadership and billionaires to be dead and reject them. We just can’t convince others. It has to be in thier face because a huge chunk are in auto pilot. I will keep fighting, however I can.
Trump has made adversaries of staunch allies with tariffs, and stupid threats towards Greenland. Meanwhile America’s true adversaries just laugh at this asshole and his incompetence. I would not surprise me if enemies of the USA think he does more damage by being alive than if they bothered trying to take him out.
