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❌️ “Violence is morally bad”
❌️ “Violence is morally good”
✅️ “Morality isn’t real and violence simply Is.”
Violence is not the answer. Violence is the question. The answer is “Yes”
Sad thing is that Ukraine wouldn’t have gotten nearly as much support if it looked like they had no chance of winning, or at least resisting.
I think the diplomatic logic is what’s the point in supporting a loser - your support doesn’t change anything and when they lose you’re on the winners shit list. If you support a winner then you may have a beneficial relationship in the future.
Ukraine never had a chance to win militarily, the plan was to strangle Russia by sanctions and it had the chance of succeeding, just the USA intelligence fucked up (not the first not last time, look: Iran) and did not noticed or underestimated Russia efforts to diversify its exports, and global south, mainly China and India, not wanting to be next ones on the US empire chopping block.
Doesn’t really work like that. Russians are not less white than Ukrainians but their ultranationalist ideas are not nearly as supported in the West.
(Not saying Russian ultranationalism is better in any regard)
It does because whiteness is a social construct, Slavs were never considered white by anglos and germans ruling classes, they just get the temporary status when they lick the anglo/german boot and are used as cannon fodder against other Slavs.
I like how Russia itself is now pushing the agenda of being completely different from western countries while culturally being obvisously European. Soviet culture does differ a whole lot from Capitalist culture of the time, but apart from that Russia is not much different from, say, Italy if you compare the two with Japan.
Also it’s always made me laugh how the term “White” has nothing to do with actual whiteness. I remember being in shock when I learned Asians aren’t considered to be white. Like have you seen Japanese or Korean people? They are whiter than many Europeans.
just gonna post the same comment I made last time this was posted:
the lemmyworlds and their orbiters are gonna be upset about this one
Can’t forget the sjw users
Did you open a history book in your life? Violence is always the answer
Oh this also applies when pointing out Ukrainian attacks on world food supplies!
They did what
https://quokk.au/comment/5587173
Russia is the world’s largest wheat exporter and most of those exports are shipped via its Black Sea ports like Novorossiysk. Russia’s main grain lobby group warned last month that Ukrainian drone attacks could shut down grain exports via the Black Sea in the near future, pushing up prices and causing hunger in Africa and the Middle East.
Ukraine is also a significant wheat exporter and invading it in a war of aggression didn’t really help with that tbh:
- https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-ukraine-and-global-food-security-impacts-four-years-later
- https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01915-5
Remember the wheat shortage in Northern Africa that almost turned into a famine in 2022… yeah. Maybe we should blame the side that started the war more than the side that is defending against an aggressor, even if the latter uses some shady tactics, like targeting non-military targets. It’s not like the other side were above that.
It’s still disgusting to see people celebrating more shortage and supply issues.
Along with those who instantly insult you when pointing out maybe food supply methods shouldn’t be targeted in this day an age, especially when it’s not what’s feeding the country being fought.
But it’s bankrolling the addression. I guess Ukraine needs every target it can find in a world where Europe buys russian oil and gas for more eurodollars than what they use to support Ukraines effort.
But it’s bankrolling the addression. I guess Ukraine needs every target it can find in a world where Europe buys russian oil and gas for more eurodollars than what they use to support Ukraines effort.
All this is saying is that it’s fine for Ukraine to cause world food shortages and target anything in Russia including civilian infrastructure.
At the same time the world needs to cut off the United States but won’t do that either. Even though they won’t it doesn’t give others the justification to bomb food sources. Well unless they are Israel
Ukraine was invaded, and Palestine was invaded so yeah both has the right to defend themselves
Why too simplistic:
Palestine got invaded, ethnically cleaned and massively murdered for decades.
Ukraine was cultural a divided country where West and Russia alike used one band or the other to rein power on the entire country. However in 2014 the West overstep the pro-West, pro-Russia alternation with a Coup. Immediately 1/3 of the country got itself completely disfranchised (no vote, no representation, no even could speak its language) and a civil war ensured and then even that 1/3 got without no pensions or services. The sad thing is that the coup was not even needed since Viktor Yanukovych was going to be voted out in just 11 months, but Washington was not having it and needed its coup to put the alternation to an end and be able to make its long-wished constitutional changes to Ukraine . The rest is history.
Russia is not saint here, not at all, but Russia did get invaded and massacred multiple times by the West and every single time through Ukraine… I think if Moscow have a bit if concern it is perfectly warranted. Ukraine should have done what Finland did in 1940s-2010s, side with the West but full warranties to Russia of being fully Neutral and away from NATO.
When Putin keep talking about how Ukraine is a artificial state and keep claiming that Ukrainians are just Russian by mentioning Kyivan Rus , I can’t accept his claim that he is invading Ukraine for security reasons. Kyivan Rus was built in the 9th centuries, the ancestors of modern Ukrainians were distinct, indigenous tribes who had already built thriving settlements and founded the city of Kyiv by the 5th century.
Not a Putin fan, but that speech is taken out of context. He was making the point their history is very interlinked, and that it is hard to argue (Northern Ireland is indeniable Ireland, but its history is very related to UK so a compromise was made to maintain peace, can you imagine if Catholics forbid Protestants to vote there?) . Funny enough, most of Ukraine land was acquired/given to Ukraine while it was under some sort of Moscow’s dominance. The original Ukraine was just a territorial fraction of what it is today. Ukraine should
Again, in the ideal world, Ukraine should have full autonomy to decide its future, but the Washington and Moscow alike did not like that. I am Ukrainian, would work for a neutrality formula. US does the same with Cuba and Venezuela and US has 0% chances of being invaded by Chine through any of those 2 countries.
What I do notice is the irrational hatred of thinking the other as sub-human… I saw that behavior far, far more in Ukrainians than I did with Russians (at least till 2024).
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I watched the whole interview with Tucker , I i don’t think it is out to context . I see no other interpretation to saying a country or state is artificial same to how israel call the west bank as Judea and Samaria and claim that Palestinians do not exists to justify what they do
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Good job CIA agent, you might maybe take a high-interest loan for a run-down studio in 15 years at this rate.
I don’t get this joke, can you explain it?
Send both of them every tank in existence.
It gets messier when you remember that the current government of Ukraine is an ally of the Zionist entity and is providing air defense expertise to the perpetrators of the Gaza genocide, as well as participating in America’s aggression towards Iran. So while I understand the instinct, the unfortunate blunt reality is that these two sides are diametrically opposed.
Russia is also the ally of Israel
Do they have much of a choice while they’re being invaded?
Ukraine support for Israel preceed the invasion and Israel did nothing to help Ukraine in contrary voted against UN, resolution condrmning Russia aggression and have zero sanctions on it
Basically all of Europe and the US supported Israel in some fashion pre-invasion. Skip the middle man and invade Israel instead then.
It is wrong when Ukraine does it , it is bad when russia does it , it is bad when the usa does it , it is bad when the rest of europe does it, it is bad when china does not use it’s economical power to restrict israel . I do not advocate for attacking any middle man especially not Ukraine who is also experiencing a war of aggression on Ukraine
Does that matter to the people the UKR military kills in Iran and helps kill in Palestine?
But no, the Ukranian people have not had a choice in anything since having their government surgically replaced in 2014, or for that matter since having their government illegally dissolved in 1991.
My point with this specific post, as an olive branch to people who may not be familiar with the communist position, is not “Ukraine bad” so much as “This is what eventually happens to every American ‘ally’ no matter what promises have been made to the contrary, and other countries had best take notice”.
That’s a position I respect. Yep.
ahh, yes, what else could they do when they’re being invaded other than committing genocide. poor ukronazis!
OK. So they should let Russia run their tanks through their towns and take over? What’s the take here?
i dunno you could try and fight against the invasion or whatever cia fairy tale you tell yourself to believe you’re not a nazi yet without supporting a literal nazi state? oh yeah, the ukronazis are also fascist bastards so that’s what they want.
So they didn’t invade? You can call them Nazis all you like but let’s live in reality.
Germany was a Nazi state and they got invaded, whats your point
I’m not gonna get into this with a tankie
Make like June 4, 1989 and never happen
Literally no one denies that June 4, 1989 happened. What we disagree on is what happened.
Make like June 4, 1989 and never happen
Nice strawman.
Lowkey it was funny though, haven’t heard that one before
It’s a bit too wordy imo to be an effective stand in for “fuck off” imo lacks flow and rhythm.
I’m sorry I can’t hear you over the Firewall.
Sorry I don’t speak insufferable Reddit dork you’ll have to translate it or fuck off.
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Dork
Fuck off
It’s that winning combination of perfectly ignorant and perfectly smug about it that makes you people so odious. Enjoy being on the Nazi side of World War 3 I suppose. Just don’t say you weren’t warned, because you’re being warned right now.
Blah blah blah
Free Tibet.
Always interesting how Tankies treat Tibet like how Americans treat Natives
We taught them how to read! That justifies it all! We went back on promises and treats and it’s their fault!! THEY DESERVED TO BE RE EDUCATED BY US
Do you ever read anything? Because you are obsessed with tankies and Hexbear to the point of being ridiculous and annoying.
All you come across as is pro-fascist and pro-slavery because Tibet suffered genuine slavery before CPC came in.
Just FYI, the Dalai Lama is a pedophile mentioned many times in the Epstein files.
The re-education: “So yeah, it was actually bad of the theocracy to enslave you in literal chains, rape, torture and mutilate you for fun. The poverty and abuse you experienced was not a divine punishment for your sins in past lives like the monks told you, it was inflicted on you by a class-based system of exploitation. You have value in this life comrade, not just the next. Here are some shoes.”
We went back on promises and treats and it’s their fault!!
Genuinely baffled by what you could even be talking about here. Are you just free-associating?
Anyway, it’s always interesting how dronies talk about feudal Tibet the way Confederate flag guys talk about the Antebellum South:
It was such a charming traditional society where everything was just better! There was harmony, and everyone got along and everything Just Worked. But then the big commie government came along and tyrannically enforced their woke shit about “rights for serfs” and “girls learning to read”. We treated our nantsam like family, they were happy as slaves!
Already did
You liberals get cooked every single time because you have no arguments.
Anarchists: “Let them fight.”
Nice crashout.
Loving this low effort controversy bait! LOVING IT. LOOOOOOOVE IT. NOT.
NOT.
1992 called; they want their sarcasm back.
it’s bait for the nazi sympathizers to reveal themselves so they can catch a ban
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Nazism is when anti nazism
