While that’s a complex and important topic, it’s not really relevant here - the artist in this case is (rather inconveniently for our self appointed champion of the cause here) not particularly racist, nor homophobic.
So when Trump says “Barack Hussein Obama!” we can recognize that he’s stressing the middle name due to racism and/or Islamophobia, but when a meme does the same thing with evil corporations spelling out “Osama” then the racism and Islamophobia just vanishes in a poof of magic because you want to giggle about this one?
Context is critical: The phrase is not being used in a racist way here - osama is the name of a specific and notoriously vile person - and invoking it doesn’t automatically make something racist. The assertion is that a particular individual is a bad person, but it says nothing about the group that person is a part of. Trump’s goal is to imply an association with a particular race/nationality that racists are biased against, and by extension that obama must be bad because of that association. It’s asserting that a specific person is a member of a group, and therefore that person must be bad.
There is no difference in the context. This guy is invoking the name Osama to bring to mind the mental picture of scary evil Muslim bad people in his racist followers, the exact same way Trump stresses Hussein to bring to mind that exact same mental image to his racist followers.
Maybe you don’t remember this, but Hussein is also the name of a specific and notoriously vile person.
That screenshot is of an ironic subversion of a common and heavily criticized sentiment, “I’m not racist, my best friend is black!”. It takes it to a satirical extreme by implying that he would consider the association between himself and a literal black object to be the same as between himself and a black human, calling out the absurdity of the trend of “tokenizing” black acquaintances to get a “pass” on behavior. It is not an example of the poster being racist.
Anyways: That you have to assert their motivations conform to your opinion, instead of being able to show how this in any way makes a generalized statement, is pretty conclusive. This implies that the association the poster made is not clear enough for you, an intelligent person, to be able to demonstrate it through their words or framing alone.
If you want to be specific about the comparison between Saddam/Obama, it still isn’t the same - Trump is trying to compare Obama to that one person to imply negative characteristics. The example in the meme makes no comparison except arguably between a notorious anti-western leader and several of the companies poised to collapse the western economy. It doesn’t seem like an unfair comparison there - Osama Bin Laden rather famously predicted this exact situation, and as he was a very intelligent person with a prestigious education in both western culture and economics, it’s not unreasonable to think he would find the irony in this juxtaposition. It is, after all, damn near the perfect example of the culmination of his work.
Instead of basing all of this on your own assumptions, you could just go read his page for yourself. This is not a great person. He’s not being ironically playful, and even if he was ironic racism is still racism.
You’re free to defend racism if that’s the person you want to be, I’m free to click this button so I never have to see anything else you have to say.
I’m a tech entrepreneur, satire writer, and the fearless leader of the top venture capital firm in the world - Jabroni Capital.
Additionally, I’m not sure why blocking me is being treated as a threat - That would effectively put me in a situation where I could provide my commentary on your assertions without the need to engage with you directly. You’re largely ignoring what I’ve said already; in terms of my experience, the difference in our interactions would be minimal.
I don’t understand why you keep posting this one image and calling it ironic racism. It’s actively making fun of racists. You couldn’t find any other examples (from a confirmed satire writer) to prove your point?
I didn’t want to spend much time on his page, and that was enough.
When did the bulk of you decide that if someone says a racist thing offends them you have the right to jump in and tell them their feelings and experiences are invalid? Are you a black or brown Muslim? From the middle east?
Last time I was in college it was very much the opposite, and we were all taught that when someone says a thing is racist and is clearly bothered by it a crowd of people jumping on them and telling them they’re stupid and wrong is pretty much the most fucked up response you could give.
Bro, I’m pretty sure this is just someone rearranging letters in a humorous manner and because things like FAANG sound too cool for shit corpos. I think you’re reading WAY too much into it.
Well of course it’s not an accident. That’s sort of the joke in rearranging the monikers.
However thinking this has anything to do with the racist way MAGA presents candidates with names like Obama, or really any candidate of color with a non traditional name, I don’t think they equate as they’re intended to suggest they aren’t native Americans, and somehow have ties to foreign powers or interests.
Do you want a few dozen news articles describing the way they stress those names as clear racist and Islamophobic dog whistles? They’re all over the place. It has nothing to do with not being born in America. They stress “scary” sounding names to rile their base up about Muslims and terrorists.
The same exact thing this meme is doing. If Trump didn’t have huge ties to all the big evil corporations and wanted to make them look bad it’s the sort of thing he’d probably post himself.
Check out the guy who posted it. Does he seem like a great person to you?
You realize my last comment was on how MAGA sounds dog whistles over anyone with a foreign sounding name yeah? No shit. We’re on the same page regarding that bit.
This meme isn’t doing the same thing because this has nothing to do with Islam, foreign companies, or anything of the sort.
This joke is over giving these companies an undesirable acronym related to a guy who bombed the WTC. These companies lack a race or religion to tie to the moniker.
Do you think jokes about Trump hiding in a food cart depicted like Sadam in a cave are racist as well in this regard?
The Osama post is from a racist on Twitter, the Gayman image is from a homophobe on Twitter.
This is what you’re giggling at and amplifying.
Normalize separating the art from the artist.
While that’s a complex and important topic, it’s not really relevant here - the artist in this case is (rather inconveniently for our self appointed champion of the cause here) not particularly racist, nor homophobic.
You mean like JK Rowling?
I don’t see much to separate. Racist and homophobic artists made racist and homophobic memes.
This post is a counterexample to your claim
What claim is that?
That a racist or homophobic person only produces racist or homophobic content.
I never made that claim in the first place.
I’m sure lots of Adolfs and Hitlers were bummed out after WW2 started (definitely after it ended), but such is the way of the world.
Imagine being named Alexa, born in 1998, minding your own damn business when Amazon just completely wrecks your name as you’re entering high school.
Worse yet, imagine being named Khaleesi then JRRM comes around and ruins your life
So when Trump says “Barack Hussein Obama!” we can recognize that he’s stressing the middle name due to racism and/or Islamophobia, but when a meme does the same thing with evil corporations spelling out “Osama” then the racism and Islamophobia just vanishes in a poof of magic because you want to giggle about this one?
Context is critical: The phrase is not being used in a racist way here - osama is the name of a specific and notoriously vile person - and invoking it doesn’t automatically make something racist. The assertion is that a particular individual is a bad person, but it says nothing about the group that person is a part of. Trump’s goal is to imply an association with a particular race/nationality that racists are biased against, and by extension that obama must be bad because of that association. It’s asserting that a specific person is a member of a group, and therefore that person must be bad.
Again, this is more from the same poster.
There is no difference in the context. This guy is invoking the name Osama to bring to mind the mental picture of scary evil Muslim bad people in his racist followers, the exact same way Trump stresses Hussein to bring to mind that exact same mental image to his racist followers.
Maybe you don’t remember this, but Hussein is also the name of a specific and notoriously vile person.
That screenshot is of an ironic subversion of a common and heavily criticized sentiment, “I’m not racist, my best friend is black!”. It takes it to a satirical extreme by implying that he would consider the association between himself and a literal black object to be the same as between himself and a black human, calling out the absurdity of the trend of “tokenizing” black acquaintances to get a “pass” on behavior. It is not an example of the poster being racist.
Anyways: That you have to assert their motivations conform to your opinion, instead of being able to show how this in any way makes a generalized statement, is pretty conclusive. This implies that the association the poster made is not clear enough for you, an intelligent person, to be able to demonstrate it through their words or framing alone.
If you want to be specific about the comparison between Saddam/Obama, it still isn’t the same - Trump is trying to compare Obama to that one person to imply negative characteristics. The example in the meme makes no comparison except arguably between a notorious anti-western leader and several of the companies poised to collapse the western economy. It doesn’t seem like an unfair comparison there - Osama Bin Laden rather famously predicted this exact situation, and as he was a very intelligent person with a prestigious education in both western culture and economics, it’s not unreasonable to think he would find the irony in this juxtaposition. It is, after all, damn near the perfect example of the culmination of his work.
Instead of basing all of this on your own assumptions, you could just go read his page for yourself. This is not a great person. He’s not being ironically playful, and even if he was ironic racism is still racism.
You’re free to defend racism if that’s the person you want to be, I’m free to click this button so I never have to see anything else you have to say.
I’m sorry, it appears you have eaten the onion.
Additionally, I’m not sure why blocking me is being treated as a threat - That would effectively put me in a situation where I could provide my commentary on your assertions without the need to engage with you directly. You’re largely ignoring what I’ve said already; in terms of my experience, the difference in our interactions would be minimal.
How is this racist @TrumpRapesKids?
What do you think the motivation behind them choosing the name Osama is?
Where is the name Osama most common? What things do those folks mainly have in common?
This seems so similar to Trump whining “Barack Hussein Obama!”
Also, this is more recent fun from the same person who posted this meme.
I don’t understand why you keep posting this one image and calling it ironic racism. It’s actively making fun of racists. You couldn’t find any other examples (from a confirmed satire writer) to prove your point?
I didn’t want to spend much time on his page, and that was enough.
When did the bulk of you decide that if someone says a racist thing offends them you have the right to jump in and tell them their feelings and experiences are invalid? Are you a black or brown Muslim? From the middle east?
Last time I was in college it was very much the opposite, and we were all taught that when someone says a thing is racist and is clearly bothered by it a crowd of people jumping on them and telling them they’re stupid and wrong is pretty much the most fucked up response you could give.
Bro, I’m pretty sure this is just someone rearranging letters in a humorous manner and because things like FAANG sound too cool for shit corpos. I think you’re reading WAY too much into it.
Deciding to use the name Osama to refer to a group of evil corporations isn’t an accident.
If it was Adolf, would that be Germanophobia?
If WW2 happened much more recently and the US far right responded by trying to stoke racial fear of Germans in it’s follower? Probably.
Well of course it’s not an accident. That’s sort of the joke in rearranging the monikers.
However thinking this has anything to do with the racist way MAGA presents candidates with names like Obama, or really any candidate of color with a non traditional name, I don’t think they equate as they’re intended to suggest they aren’t native Americans, and somehow have ties to foreign powers or interests.
And these are just corporations.
Again thinking you’re reading way to into it
Do you want a few dozen news articles describing the way they stress those names as clear racist and Islamophobic dog whistles? They’re all over the place. It has nothing to do with not being born in America. They stress “scary” sounding names to rile their base up about Muslims and terrorists.
The same exact thing this meme is doing. If Trump didn’t have huge ties to all the big evil corporations and wanted to make them look bad it’s the sort of thing he’d probably post himself.
Check out the guy who posted it. Does he seem like a great person to you?
You realize my last comment was on how MAGA sounds dog whistles over anyone with a foreign sounding name yeah? No shit. We’re on the same page regarding that bit.
This meme isn’t doing the same thing because this has nothing to do with Islam, foreign companies, or anything of the sort.
This joke is over giving these companies an undesirable acronym related to a guy who bombed the WTC. These companies lack a race or religion to tie to the moniker.
Do you think jokes about Trump hiding in a food cart depicted like Sadam in a cave are racist as well in this regard?
Obama is a black man. They try to stress his middle name to raise Islamophobic fear. Literally the same thing this is doing with Osama.
No, how would that be stoking Islamophobia?