• Addv4@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    While not it’s not mentioned in this article, he actually said he took mushrooms around 48 hrs before getting onto the plane, which would mean his trip was definitely over. He said he thought he was dreaming, which would probably be better attributed to the fact he hadn’t slept in around 40hrs. I suspect this is a case of “the mushies did it!” being reported over questions of "how was someone in that bad of mental shape was in the cockpit of a plane? " being asked.

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      1 year ago

      Wtf is wrong with society that will point to the drugs as the culprit but not the lack of sleep?

      Studies have proven time and time again that prolonged lack of sleep is the most dangerous thing for a human.

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        My somewhat cynical view is that the airlines are trying to aim for damage control as much as possible, and are tying to throw red herirngs to divert from failings on the airlines part. In this case, shrooms. If the airlines get looked at, I suspect the whole fact that he was probably that sleep deprived and it wasn’t seen as not normal could lead to actual action against airlines.

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          100% this

          They’re trying to shift the blame entirely to the pilot (who was primarily at fault) rather than their policies that allowed a pilot to fly on no sleep for 40 hours

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            Nah, he wasn’t actually flying. He was however on route to fly, which was worrying.

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              Either way is a problem tbh

              I think everyone is just glad he didn’t get behind the controls of a plane

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        Crew rest is a huge deal in aviation too, something tells me rules were broken and they’re trying to avoid lack of sleep coming up as a culprit.

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          I wouldn’t even think they broke an HOS rule. There are so many loop holes in HOS that fuck sleep up I wouldn’t even be surprised.

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        Wtf is wrong with society that will point to the drugs as the culprit but not the lack of sleep?

        Predetermined prejudices.

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      100%. Not to mention you don’t lose your mind on shrooms, and the trip is over in a few hours. Even if you were to lose contact with reality on shrooms, you wouldn’t have the capability to carry out anything. This feel like a weird deflect authored by someone who knows nothing about mushrooms.

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        Exactly. If you’re taking enough shrooms to “lose your mind” (aka ego death), then you’re not making it off the floor of your living room, let alone getting through security, getting onto an airplane, and acting normal enough to be let into the cockpit. You’re not even going to be aware that you have a body.

        And if you haven’t taken enough for that, then you’re still never going to honestly believe you’re in a dream. That’s not how psychedelics work.

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      That’s good info.

      I’d love to see the source for the 48 hours because this bullshit is prime propaganda fuel without that context.

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      48 hours is too long to blame on an acid trip usually (from my experience) let alone a mushroom trip. Maybe doses and potency were different but I’ve done up to 4 tabs of acid and 1/4 oz of shrooms (different trips) both with some bud smoked, and never had much effect after I slept. From acid sleeping took much longer but not over 40 hours, I wasn’t at a rave doing amphetamines or anything. Not those nights anyways.

      I will say people are different and I was well down the road of experimentation by the time I did those strongest trips.

      Oh forgot to add if they didn’t sleep that would really fuck someone up. I used to party for days and I made day 3 my limit for good reason, so 48 hours is start of day 3.