A law under consideration by the German parliament would mean that people who have committed anti-Semitic acts can never be granted citizenship, German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said on Wednesday.
How do they define “antisemitic acts”? There have been widespread protests in support of Palestinian civilians, which goes against a ban in place since the attack by Hamas. Are they going to use vague definitions to revoke citizenship for people protesting against the genocide of Palestinians?
Nazi icons/clothing/symbols are outright banned. It’s not unspecific.
The statement is 100% in response to pro-Palestinian protests. They do not need to remind everyone not to be an outright Nazi.
With AfD over 20% we can kind of do need to remind them
Yes, I’m aware. In theory, giving parents more control over their kid’s education is good too. I’m against the Stop WOKE act though.
Yes
No, it’s impossible to revoke German citizenship. Defined in article 16 GG. The only exception is treason benefitting a state the offender also holds citizenship in.
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They will not revoke anything. They will just not grant citizenship for immigrants who have committed crimes that go against the (rough translation) “free and democratic foundations of the nation”. Basically: if you are against German democratic and humanitarian values to a degree that is criminal In Germany (eg Hate crimes, attempts to overthrow an election, etc), you can’t become a German citizen. You can live in Germany, you can be allowed to work here in Germany, but you ain’t one of us ans you can’t apply for most benefits.
Besides, the law actually makes it easier for immigrants to get German citizenship.
…but if you’re an outright Nazi, German intelligence might have a job for you.
Yeah, the law this vague is purposely designed to be abused by the government. German police are already trying Nazi tactics at this point. The pro Palestinian rally at Frankfurt, they literally isolated young people with Palestinian flags, took pictures of people and their ID cards, and suddenly these people now have started getting problems in their schools,universities and jobs, even when they never shared anything political themselves. Germany and Fascism is a story for the ages.
That sounds really extreme. Do you have a reliable source for that?
It’s all over Twitter (or X), YouTube and TikTok. Plus, I was there in person and saw plenty but can’t show due to self preservation.
You have to realize that this is not a terribly convincing statement, right?
I do, but I gotta do “Trust me Bro” cuz I like anonymity here on Lemmy.
How would linking one of the many posts you saw “all over twitter” break your anonymity?
Maybe just don’t do antisemitic shit
What part of “don’t kill Palestinians” is the same as antisemitism?
the part where pro-palestinian protesters attack jews and synagogues. This happened some years ago here in Germany and happens now again.
The german central council of jews is aware of this and has been complaining about the rising number of antisemitic attacks by Muslims for many years now.
The part where people are attacking and harassing Jews worldwide right now
Ah yes, because recognizing that Palestinian civilians should have human rights and not be discarded like subhuman scum is what flies as antisemitism now.
Lol
So you did “MAH WESEARCH???” Go try that shit at reddit. This shit doesn’t work here.
So you have none, gotcha.
The law is pretty clear. Are you a Nazi? Don’t be or else you don’t get a citizenship. They already have a law against being a Nazi so this new one isn’t some new law they could abuse now that they couldn’t before. Stop fear mongering.
People attending an outlawed protest get rounded up and identified, news at 11.
No, seriously. There have been plenty of pro-Palestine protests in Germany getting permits, there also have been plenty of pro-Palestine protests in Germany which got outlawed. The reason? Different organisers. Different capacities of those organisers to make sure that the protesters won’t commit crimes. Courts overruled some of those police assessments, but not all.
Like, people were up in arms even before all this went down that the Nakba protests in Berlin got outlawed. They completely ignored that in previous years, the same organisers held protests and those turned violent, broke out into “gas the Jews” chants, and whatnot.
As the Basic Law says: Every German has the right to peacefully assemble without weapon. The “German” part is usually ignored, also foreigners enjoy that right in practice. The “peacefully and without weapons” part OTOH is not negotiable.
Part of this is a cultural problem: The organisers don’t seem to understand how protesting works in Germany, what the do’s and don’ts are. And when they cross those lines, things get out of hand, public order is infringed upon, they try to play the victim card.
Do you know how much German police or Germans in general care if you call us Nazis? How much that stings? I’ll tell you: Zero. Because we know you’re full of shit.
You wrote a whole lot of words to just say that the government can do whatever. The protest on the 20th of October was specifically granted permission from the courts on the 19th, a day earlier. Half an hour before the protest, Polizei announced that it is now verboten (when? where?) and started arresting people and IDing them, the people who are unaware of changes and coming to attend a permissible demonstration. How isn’t that sketchy? That seems like an operation to identify pro-Palestinian people and intimidate/harass them, and actually follow through by contacting their universities and work.
I have been in Germany for around 2 decades as a dark skinned person, don’t tell me the scope of Nazi infiltration in the German military and police. I face them everyday. It’s common news among everyone, only willfully ignorant ones try to overlook it, and later will cry after their fascism gets discovered, just like from the Holocaust documentary when, German citizens were first taken to see concentration camps, and started crying “we didn’t know”. Ja right, gimme a break.
On the 20th? Only thing I can find in the press talks of a protest in Frankfurt around that date is on the 21st, which was peaceful and legal. A couple of counts of display of forbidden symbols (presumably Hamas flags), one count of incitement to hatred, but in a context of 1500 participants that’s nothing.
Me thinks you’re making up shit on the spot.
Me thinks less of what you think, and the 21st was also not peaceful but due to what happened on previous days, lawyers had a court order of peaceful assembly again, and didn’t back down, and let the demonstration happen. The irony of other people gaslighting me and telling me what happened when I witnessed it myself. Were you there at Frankfurtdemonstration? You are free to look, social Media is full of these things.
and the 21st was also not peaceful but due to what happened on previous days,
The police literally called it peaceful. What do you mean by “what happened on the previous days”? The city wanted to ban it, the court allowed it, and the protest went ahead as planned. That’s business as usual in Germany.
If there were protests before that they likely were (correct me if I’m wrong) unannounced and if you don’t announce a non-spontaneous protest the police can dissolve it without a court order. That’s why people announce protests: To have legal protection.
You are free to look, social Media is full of these things.
Do any of those people understand the legal and cultural situation? Also, which fucking posts. You have been asked before to provide links, and came up empty. I gave you a report from the hessenschau, do you see any factual errors in there? Ones that you could back up?
He doesn’t have any. He is just mad you called out his lies.
Prove it. Show us something when its so easy to find. Show us a reliable unbiased Source.
That was cathartic to read.
Already the case. To gain citizenship you generally have to have a clear criminal record, with the exception of youth offences, fines up to 90 days, and prison up to 3 month if it was on probation, unless the motive was antisemitic, racist, xenophobic, or otherwise contemptuous of humanity.
If they want to extend it to “has done something like that that wasn’t illegal” then they’re going to have a hard time before court as it would amount to immigration officials infringing on prerogatives of the judicature.
How are they going to detect that, a “yes/no” question?
Per the article, past convictions.
Germany now bans Germany
Germany has banned that aspect of their history for quite some time
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They will use this law to deny citizenship to people from Palestine
Likely to anyone who even feigns sympathy for them too, if German reaction to Palestinian Liberation protests are anything to go by.
There’s a quite simple line in Germany: Don’t be violent and don’t shout things like “gas the Jews” and you can protest. And thousands did in quite a number of cities on quite a number of days. Get out of your filter bubble.
Exactly.
True.
If they had past convictions
And Ukraine I suppose
Until the brain-scan is perfected.
geeze get over your preconceptions about europeans, they have words for yes and no…
yikes
Why not make that hate crimes in general?
Because that’s already in the law:
Sentence 1 does not apply if the foreigner was convicted of an antisemitic, racist or xenophobic offence, or other criminal offence evidencing contempt for humanity as referred to in section 46 (2) sentence 2 of the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) and sentenced to a prison term, fine or youth custody and the court judgment found that the offence was based on such a motive.
This is 100% performative bullshit.
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Imagine being this misinformed lol
Israel is a apartheid ethnostate, so it’s a model country for white nationalist.
It’s neither of those things, and it’s really racist of you to say.
20% of Israel is made up of non-jewish Arabs and they have full citizenship. Also, fun fact, not all Jews are white.
Why would say it’s racist when being jewish is a religion? Also just because they’re not particularly white doesn’t mean that White supremacy can be inspired or want to support ideologies like apartheid states. Especially the people they’re targeting happen to be a group of people white supremacists would deem as “unpure”?
Because there’s a bunch of tribes including the majority of modern Israeli jews who are native to the Middle East for centuries.
Arabs and Hebrewd are both Semitic (as in native to the area) and both groups look the same. There’s like half a dozen sub groups plus others that are welcome in Israel and are full citizens and aren’t jews.
It’s a sectarian conflict. Foreigners injecting racist whiteness into it is ignorant of the situation actually in the region.
Especially the people they’re targeting happen to be a group of people white supremacists would deem as “unpure”
They’re targeting Jews?
Like you see how fucking silly this whole diatribe is, right? You’ve got nothing to back your ethnostate claim up, nothing to back your apartheid state up, and Nazis do not typically care for Jews.
This conversation is just dumb man.
So, you’re just going to ignore the Israeli attempt at committing genocide against the Palestinians?
No I don’t think there are credible claims of genocide whatsoever.
If Israel was intent on genocide, they could easily accomplish that. They are most assuredly not outgunned.
If they wanted to displace Palestinians permanently, they could absolutely do that. No nearby nation would commit serious forces to stop them.
It is quite obvious that, though terrible civilian losses are occurring, Israel is trying hard to mitigate them. Civilian losses occur in urban fighting. Moving the population that they can to the south is part of minimization of those losses.
They have displaced Palestinians permanently, upto now anyway. The Zionists ran them decades ago, how has Israel expanded if not for displacing people.
You haven’t found evidence of a genocide…is the bombing of refugee camps in the city they are sieging not strong enough evidence for you? Do you need gas showers and a pile of shoes?
They have displaced Palestinians permanently, upto now anyway. The Zionists ran them decades ago, how has Israel expanded if not for displacing people
This is just flatly inaccurate.
None of the people pushing the aparteid ethnostate angle are from the area…the settler shit is bad but like a lot of Israelis agree they are bad and should go. Cops are Bastards.
Explain it’s a sectarian thing based as much on politics (who won a civil war our grandparents generation fought) at this point and they just don’t care.
Like there’s been very public attempts to remove the far right government members. No one remembers the entire country including the air force striking when Bibi tried to fuck with the judiciary prosecuting his crimes earlier this year. The president (its usually mostly ceremonial) is the leader of the Socialist Labor party.
Bibi is at historic low popularity, 8-9/10 Israelis (including the large Arab citizen Pop) want him gone.
Gaza is fucked now because the Palestinian nationalist movement went wild and militant after Yaser Arafat died. Dude was also massively corrupt and hurt his people for his own personal enrichment.
(also every time someone pops off about Zionism and the Ashkenazi tribe immigrating to the region in the 1800s I have to consider whether to tell them like 69% of jews in Israel literally aren’t European zionists under their own definition. Around 900k native to region for centuries jews moved to Israel shortly after it came into existence when they got expelled from the surrounding countries in a nationalistic fervor that spurred a ton of extremely bad shit.)
Germany actively boots out and leashes nazis, while Israel elects them to office, parties with them, names districts after them, and permits them visits to the Kotel.
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Wild times.
We need sources please
Israel literally named a settlement in the Golan Heights after fffking Trump.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Heights
After Bibi had wine and cheese with him. Fukem both.
Thanks. I had no idea. That’s terrifying.
I know. I kept trying to give IL the benefit of the doubt until I saw THAT ffking shhht in the news. Our new Speaker of the House is a neonazi who wants to “defend” Israel while legislatively trying to murder everyone else who is not a ffking cis-white-Christian-male.
I CANNOT take that place seriously now.
This ain’t it, chief.
i can excuse apartheid and genocide but i draw the line at naming something after a politician
You don’t understand my point that “naming things after THIS particular bottom tier politician” is something that makes you not credible anymore?
Don’t ffk this up on yourself.
Trump aint a nazi tho
He stood in the Ford factory and talked about “great bloodlines”, called African nations like Botswana shitholes and got innocent black men legally harassed for their their entire lives.
That’s enough for me, bro.
well actual neo-nazis are against trump because he was pro-israel, but whatev
No. No they’re not.
Margie Greene is a LITERAL neonazi that went to a KKK brunch, laughed it off, and is his biggest supporter.
Don’t even try conflating Judaism with Israeli government support after some of even the most staunch Hareidi sects, and also Holocaust victims, protest Israeli politics.
And Trump is NOT “pro-Israel”, he’s “pro-ME.”
Dunno who margie is.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
BERLIN, Oct 25 (Reuters) - A law under consideration by the German parliament would mean that people who have committed anti-Semitic acts can never be granted citizenship, German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said on Wednesday.
“Our draft for the new citizenship law, which we will now discuss in the Bundestag, provides a clear exclusion of anti-Semites,” Faeser said in a statement issued after she met with Israeli ambassador to Germany, Ron Prosor.
She added that German authorities were “extremely vigilant” with regards to supporters of the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas in Germany, saying that any such person would be “prosecuted with the full force of the law.”
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Peak performance.
Deal with it. If you want to make out with Hamas ,do it without german citizenship.
They can keep their own Nazis, just not have new extra foreigners.
This is a way to spin being able to remove organize citizenship to those who are supportive of Palestine or critical of Israel, and paint them as enemies of peace. This is Germany bringing back old traditions from the 40s.
They can be elected president in this country.
I guess that’s the USA, the default country?
I’m pretty sure you mean the Un-United Shithole of America a.k.a the united states of america
Please be aware that people besides you won’t he aware of the country you are talking about and me and the other person replying to you are only assuming you are talking about the usa unless you want to edit your comment and say what country you are talking about
Why is it necessary to enact such a law in a foreign country? Germany isn’t even on the same continent.
Yeah since when germany has had problems with antisemitism?
This is in response to Middle Eastern support for Palestine. Germany (and the EU) are in the midst of a migrant crisis (Migrationpolitik) and the general European populace is by default fairly Islamophobic.
I wondet if there will be a point when German people will decide to take bavk their auto-determination from the hands of Israel. They’re acting like a colony, pretty pathetic for an european country if you ask me.
That’s never going to happen. Because of Holocaust guilt Germany has to cuck itself for Israel indefinitely.
Hamas is all about blood and soil and killing Jews. You may want to continue pretending they’re a scrappy band of freedom fighters but that’s only because you’re stuck in an information silo. At this point people that support Hamas are anti-semitic, there’s no way to rationalize out support for an organization that purposefully murders Jewish children. It’s just pure anti-semitism, the mask is gone now.
Am I Islamophobic because I criticize Saudi Arabia?
Stop weaponizing antisemitism. It makes you seem trite.
I think you’ll find the majority of us are against both Israel and Hamas, instead siding with Palestinians.
Yup. May as well be asking who I’m going for in the Islamic State vs Taliban conflict.
“Obviously, neither.”
“Oh, so you support terrorism, then?!”
“Fucking, wot?”
I don’t think people here are supporting Hamas, but guess what, most probably Israel has killed way more children and babies than Hamas.
But we cannot call people who support the current government of Israel as anti-humanists, as we will automatically be called anti-Semites.
Do you see now where the problem stands, it boils down to your double standards, where you say civilian lives matter only on one side of the conflict and your refusal to admit that the other side is even more complicit.
And as Antonio Gutierrez said those killings are not happening in a vacuum. Palestinians are subject to years of repression by various Israelian governments.
And I don’t hate Jews, I know some and most of them are great human beings. But I also happen to know some Arabs and even Palestinians who are also great people. I don’t condemn or generalise people based on their religion or ethnicity. I condemn people based on their actions and reactions.
but guess what, most probably Israel has killed way more children and babies than Hamas.
I’ll just be leaving this here, then.
What’s also important to remember is that huge amounts of money floods into Palestine from antisemitic Arab countries like Iran, all the training and materials to build tunnels and rockets and organize scuba and paraglider attacks - that’s not given to help people, they could take all those people out and build them a city for a fraction of the cost of the conflict - but of course they won’t do that, they don’t want to help the people they want the people there and suffering as a justification for the conflict.
The people controlling the anti Israel side have no desire for a friendly solution, certainly in Iran the recent protests and other issues put them in a situation were having an enemy to rally against is exactly what they need.
When people act like Israel should just stop fighting Palestine it totally ignores the reality that the second they drop security measures they’ll get attacked, attacks funded by people that would hate to see Palestinians and Jews working together and being friends.
Both things can be true at the same time. They’re freedom fighters and terrorists.
Hamas very explicitly is fighting for an extremist Muslim caliphate, which is essentially the opposite of freedom. They also literally banned elections, which is pretty telling
The PLO is significantly more on the “freedom fighters” side of the spectrum.
They’re fighting against Israeli occupation, which makes them freedom fighters; they’re also a dictatorship and terrorists. The PLO is more on the freedom side, but they’re not fighting in any sense of the word (they’re basically running a Bantustan these days).
Thanks. Bantustan is a fascinating subject.
