• Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world
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    The big user experience problem is everyone is getting funneled into Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml, and they can’t scare fast enough.

    But Lemmy is federated. So signup for a smaller instance. You’ll still be able to subscribe and post to communities on other instances.

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      Ha, I applied to two smaller instances and have heard nothing but radio silence. The smaller instances are of no help if they don’t let anyone in.

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      That’s where join-lemmy really missed out. They should have introduced a set of rules like join-mastodon where instances must have at least two admins, a clear code of conduct, and clear rules as to how they manage closedown. That way users would be reasonably safe in picking an instance at random. But they didn’t so everyone should go to safe choices like lemmy.world.

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        Everyone keeps saying to join the smaller instances, but the reason people aren’t is because they are harder to find and usually have application gates thrown up. Because you can’t apply through the app, and because I am on mobile, I don’t even know how many Instances I applied for and then forgot what the instance was even called by the time they may or may not have approved.

        All of this needs to be laid out better from the get-go. Even simply listing a server strain metric or warning (even if it’s something admins set themselves) would be useful.

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          a server strain metric or warning

          Ha, that would be really useful in directing the flow especially at times like this.

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      Unless it defederates like beehaw keeps doing.

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          Beehaw is a community that wants to create a specific type of experience for its users, it wants to create a safer space and has stricter rules.

          I think it’s personally a non-issue that people get riled up about. They’ve temporarily defederated from lemmy.world because of the large spikes in new users and wanting to have the moderation tools necessary to handle that while keeping their community the way they want it.

          There is a subset of new Lemmy users who think this experience needs to be Reddit 2.0, that it needs to be perfect and totally smooth for new users, or else it will fail?

          Personally, I don’t agree. I don’t want Lemmy to be Reddit at all. In the last month, I’ve found that I didn’t realize just how bad my Reddit experience had become. I’m okay with the experience being a little rough around the edges here and adjusting together. It has become obvious based on how good my interactions were here. How solid and interesting the content was. I’m not fiending for my specific subreddits, I’m good to move on and find new areas to focus on the internet.

          I have a separate account for Beehaw, all the iOS apps already have way way better functionality than the Reddit official app, I can seamlessly switch between accounts. It’s been absolutely amazing to see how much this site and experience has evolved in one month. I’m super excited for the future here.

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            One thing I don’t miss is the “culture”… I hope this shift into the fediverse frees comment sections of the endless same dumb low effort puns, and even worse puns in the replies. Or fucking award speeches in comment edits, the same shitty jokes that nobody likes but somehow still perpetuate…

            I really look forward to something new

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              I’m late to the conversation. Yeah, that’s what I hated about Reddit. I’ve been using it since 2009, and I noticed that it got progressively worse the moment they introduced karma.

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          All in all, they have some of the biggest communities for gay folks, Trans folks, and other minority groups. Lots of trolls from large open instances were shit posting lots of hateful crap in those communities.

          The Lemmy’s mod tools are still kind of janky and they couldn’t keep pace with the toxic trolling, so they made the call to defederate from instances like Lemmy.world temporarily, until some new mod tools get built.

          All the admins from the defederated instances get it and they all appear to be on the same page.

          That said, users got pissed because beehaw has one of the best tech communities. So now people on Lemmy.world don’t have their posts / comments show up in those communities.

          Basically, they had two shitty options, and they went with protecting the vulnerable minority.

          It’s temporary.

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          Beehaw defederated from other instances as users were getting around bans by creating new accounts on those instances. The admins in question are talking about how to address this.

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          Post by beehaw admins

          Basically, due to the size and open registrations on some large instances, Beehaw admins decided to defederate because they didn’t have the manpower or systems in place to deal with the large volume of content.

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            Come on, let’s be adults about it. Beehaw has always had stricter registration requirements, but didn’t defederate until just now. The problem was that they simply don’t have the tools needed to moderate such a huge influx of people from uncurated instances and it was interfering with the culture they prided themselves on.

            I’m not a member of Beehaw, but I can respect them knowing both what they want to be and when their limited ability to enforce it meant drastic measures to preserve the community. This is one of the good things about federation: they’re allowed to do that and we don’t need to switch platforms entirely!

            Wish everyone luck going forward.

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          They are overly sensitive special snowflakes that pipi their pampers if anybody that doesn’t have 100% the same opinions as them is allowed to use the internet

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            Motives aside, the point is one account won’t always get you everywhere. Doing a little research before picking a home instance can’t hurt.

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      So signup for a smaller instance

      Unless you want to create a community on that instance. You can only create communities in the instance you sign up.

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      I tried getting on both of those for a couple weeks. I could not get through on either. Found lemm.ee and have had zero issues.

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        Imagine if you registered an email address with gmail, hotmail, and iCloud. You’d have three separate inboxes.

        And like email, which is also federated, you don’t need a gmail address to message gmail people, or a hotmail address to message hotmail people. You can signup with one domain / instance, and subscribe to communities from another domain / instance.

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      The real magic is that you don’t even have to use Lemmy. You can use Kbin if you like that interface better.

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      The problem is that it uses WebSockets in a completely braindead way. There is absolutely zero reason to waste server resources on that for every single user. Of course it fails to scale…

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      What happens to the communities on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml if they’re no longer around? It seems like the most active communities are mostly on those two instances.

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        A good example is what just happened with beehaw. Beehaw cut ties with lemmy.world temporarily until some new mod tools roll out.

        If you were subbed to a beehaw community from lemmy.world, you can still post to that community, but only LW people can see the post. You can use that capability to tell people to migrate away to a new home.

        Or, if an instance gets big and valuable, I’m sure their will people champing at the bit to take on the domain and instance if the OG admin wants out.

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        Basically, in the beehaw example, all of Lemmy.world’s messages to beehaw communities are kind of stuck in an old deprecated beehaw outbox that is not being checked by beehaw. Lemmy.world people can see all the messages sitting in their beehaw outbox, but beehaw ain’t coming to get their mail, and they’re no longer sending mail to Lemmy.world.

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      That’s where join-lemmy really missed out. they should have introduced a set of rules like join-mastodon where instances must have at least two admins, a clear code of conduct, and clear rules as to how they manage closedown. That way users would be reasonably safe in picking an instance at random. But they didn’t so everyone should go to safe choices like lemmy.world.

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        You’re bitching about safe space snowflakes, meanwhile you are literally looking for a safe space to be a dick

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    I want to be mad but FFS Reddit had Conde Nast money for most of its shittery so they had NO excuse except incompetence.

    At least Fediverse servers are typically Steve’s old laptop or some shit so it’s understandable.

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      Reddit’s database was pretty poorly designed. They designed it to be really flexible so they could make changes easily early on, but it was highly inefficient. I don’t know if it’s still like that, but the old website’s source code is public and it is very inefficient.

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    Given the… frankly absurd rate at which people are signing up to servers, and subscribing to other servers, and posting and commenting and upvoting and…

    I mean it’s getting a bit hairy, and user growth was already following a very steep growth curve. Reddifugees are hugging all instances to death.

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      It really is a defining moment for Lemmy. If the devs can’t adapt quickly enough to handle the traffic, I doubt many Reddifugees will stick around.

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        Depends what timelines and what types of users were talking about, in my opinion. Users migrating who have contributed good content and/or moderation should have the patience to get through most of the growing pains. Casual users who show up just to browse and maybe up or downvote a few things don’t add a lot of value up front anyway, so the attrition of those users won’t matter too much in the long run. Those types of users will likely be back in the future once the kinks get worked out, or will be replaced by users of the same type. Patience is the game.

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        I’m probably here to stay. Maybe not Lemmy specifically, but i’ve already joined Mastodon once and then bailed and things have only gotten worse since then. It’s either this or Tumblr and my Tumblr account is still all jacked. Or maybe Cohost or Pillowfort will start drawing people in? I’d take one of those, too.

        But even if i have to run my own Lemmy instance i don’t want to go back to some privately owned site that’s just going to have the same cycle kill it again

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        I’m already seeing vastly improved performance, so I think the worst of the lag from recent updates is behind us.

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      That’s interesting but have you considered that Value <html> of type java.lang.String cannot be converted to JSONObject?

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    It just feels so weird to have big threads with good fresh discussions going on hours after the post.

    Not to say there isn’t an occasional asshole here and there during this wave, but I don’t think reddit has ever felt like this at any point.

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      It’s because sorting comments by “hot” prioritizes new comments more than old comments even taking into account votes. So a 3d old comment with 50 votes might appear below a 2h old comment with 5 votes. Unlike Reddit which just pushes the first comments to the top and anything new will drown in the sea of comments and never surface or be seen.

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        That’s my guess as well. And the post default sorting by “active” means the top posts usually have a lot more staying power compared to reddit.

        Didn’t see much here that made me roll my eyes and think:“That made me feel dumber for reading it.”, whereas on reddit that’s pretty much every big thread.

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          That staying power is a blessing and a curse. Sometimes you’re looking for fresh content. Top Hour is marvelous. So is New Comments. :)

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            I think it encourages you to seek out other interesting communities when you want to see something different.

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        Yes, and I like it this way too. It definitely gives people who came into the thread late a voice.

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      Looks like the app wasn’t developed with a scalable architecture from the start, then they strapped some caching out of desperation when users started flocking, and didn’t consider the invalidation parameters for private pages correctly.

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        It’s a little bit baffling. It’s not like they couldn’t have predicted this server load. I know it’s tricky to foresee bottlenecks in some situations but them adding caching (a very basic thing for scalability) at the last minute belies a lack of either experience, forethought, or knowledge, I am not sure which.

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      Did you report this (on GitHub possibly)? That seems to be a fairly important bug for the devs to get their head around.

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        Agreed! Lemmy kinda captures the same sense of excitement and experimentation that the early internet seemed to have.

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      For real! Seems like everyone jumped ship and expects a flawless integration from Reddit. This tech is relatively new and provided by volunteers. Give it some time!

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        Especially with the massive influx of users on this instance. I for one am quite happy with the admins and how they’re holding up during this. lol

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    To be fair, it worked well right before reddit cut off api access. This will probably happen everytime reddit does something stupid to drive away users. In other words, it could happen every two week based on how spez is lately.

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    Legit the first thing I noticed. It’s actually not that hard to find the community you’re looking for.

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    For those of you who, like me, are coming from Apollo you guys can try wefwef.app. It’s great

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      I know this night sound like a dumb comment, but it’s kind of worth thinking about.

      Since it isn’t an iOS app, they could probably make a version of it which isn’t so iOS inspired, because frankly that layout is confusing to anyone who isn’t used to it.

      I know Apple have a way of doing things, and they’re like apps to look a certain way, but if you’re not used to it it’s not intuitive at all.

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        But the point of wefwef is to feel familiar to those who used and are missing Apollo, the most popular iOS app.

        There has been a groundswell of Android apps starting up and not a great deal of activity in the iOS-specific space. So, wefwef is welcome for those looking for something that ticks that box.

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        I just put a webpage link to my Lemmy homepage on my Home Screen. I haven’t found the ability to comment or anything though, and I’m signed in.

        Edit- apparently I was signed out. 🤣

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        Oh yeah, it’s a bit all over the place, eh? Looks quite slick though, might give it a go!

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      I keep getting “cant load sever data” with this app. Is this just a lemmy thing or an app thing.

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        In one of the posts a couple days ago the developer of wefef stated that the app is getting rate limited by lemmy.world servers because so many people are using it. I think they were trying to resolve it but I am still getting the same issue occasionally. It’s just growing pains of the whole ecosystem & totally expected and normal. I’m happy to be an early adopter of all this stuff and watching it grow and mature will be an exciting adventure!

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    Yeah, every time I try to upvote something, it’ll take like 10-15 seconds to register

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      I hear that it depends heavily on the instance you’re on. Personally I’m thinking of making a programming.dev account and seeing how that works.