In the land of the fee they would be using high caliber machine guns right now. Mowing down anything that moved.
Frustration leads to chaos. The French are very frustrated at the moment.
gee, i wonder why? definitely not the government’s fault…
We have much to learn from the French.
This is the only country where police probably really fear for their lives (not talking about the bullshit US police spew to get themselves out of trouble when they kill someone).
They should. For what I’ve seen in the news cycle, protests started peacefully then the police started crippling children. I mean, a 14 year old lost an arm to police brutality. That’s when the rest of the country raised up in arms and started attacking the cops and rioting. So far all political statements, starting with Macron, have only called to prosecute children for property damage calling them “extreme left violence”. While the cops maiming children, who were just asking for more teachers with fair pay, are being protected.
ACAB
Like the Police, a few “bad apples” will show themselves but, this is people protesting that schools and education in France are underfunded, dilapidated and children do not have materials to learn while they are in cold, drafty classrooms with leaking roofs. I see an increase in funding for schools and education in France’s very near future. There is a a good reason why the retirement age in France was not raised even after the government announced that the age of retirement / pension entitlement would be raised. Anyone calling this rioting is a class traitor or a shill.
French education been underfunded since like Chirac. it’s kinda impressive how it came to this.
look at the amazing no kings protests in the US where people danced and sang their way into a dictatorship.
Threaten capital.
Occupy Wall Street enters chat.
i say we need to start thinking bigger. transport. electricity. water. hit the system where it hurts
And then finally do nothing. these people are doing you are thinking.
Are you in the US? You can get from any point of France to the capital relatively quick through driving or transit. People in the US do stuff but it’s tough to have numbers in the streets like this when we are so spread out and the police will shoot you on the way.
hit ordinary people where it hurts?
The big problem France has, is that they are broke and since apparently no country in the world is willing to tax major coorperations and barely tax billionaires it will be very difficult to keep low retirement ages or bring all the schools in France up to reasonable standards.
Most protests was people walking, being happy, singing and talking. What everyone is talking i that 10% shit happening.
Please, be aware that most of the time people are peaceful. That what everyone have to stick in their brain.
Anyone who remembers the George Floyd protests remembers that being the case then, too.
The NYPD funneled the peaceful protesters into one intersection and then attacked.
And French police is doing the same. They even have an official name for barricading. They trap a group of peaceful protestors into an alley, then send a provocateur dressed as a civilian to start violence. They use the violence as an excuse to detain and injure everyone trapped inside the barricade. When the battle breaks out, they use that to further repress the peaceful protestors.
It’s a worldwide established practice by all police forces.
That’s daytime protests
I used to look up to France for their ability to come together and rebel again against the unjust.
Can someone tell me what they’re doing over there?
a combination of external factors beyond the governmental control, the aftermath of short-sighted energy policies, the aftermath of even shorter-sighted deprioritization of public education, cost of living crisis on top of that and heavily biased fiscal policies on top of that and some good old government corruption as cherry on top.
Not putting up with bullshit, that’s what they’re doing.
By looting?
This is always a disingenuous argument against protesting. There will always be opportunistic criminals that take advantage of these situations. It’s doesn’t take away the fact that protest and a national strike are the only actual power people have against the ruling class.
I’m not worried about Walmart losing money on looted TVs when cooperations are part of the problem and are run by the ruling class. If it’s a small business, hope your shits insured.
The only problem that most often it is the smaller stores that get looted because they can not afford the security measures of the large coorporations.
The only problem is that most often these responses are made up.
Is that true though? Do you have data on that? That’s not what I’ve seen. They looted Louis Vuitton, is that a small local store?
I would love to read statistics about this. Do you have any pointer I can read?
Criminal gangs do tend to take advantage of these situations and use it as cover. Same thing happened during the London riots.
God I hate how much news is just not shown here in the U.S… This and the recent No King protests are really only found in alternative places. I keep trying to explaining that marching isn’t enough, that it doesn’t generate enough fear/anxiety to make them want to change.
That previous “peaceful” protests like MLK’s had targeted strategies that disrupted life on purpose. And still had Malcolm X and the Black Panthers as the muscle of the movement.
We’re just not doing enough, and allies that are willing are just too far apart distance wise to properly coordinate without getting caught. And random acts of violence can be useful, but only if they are actually shocking enough and have follow up. Luigi enacted a small amount of change for a short amount of time. Companies were denying less for a solid year afterwards. The problem is that there wasn’t enough follow up. The violence wasn’t coordinated enough, or organized with a wider group so they could continue to lay on the fear.
We’re just too passive, too domesticated, and lack the will to properly organize. The only good news is Trump is making these points more salient as time goes on. Especially with his talk of interference, and using the national guard for voter intimidation. I believe the mid terms will be a breakpoint for many depending on how they go. Or I hope it will anyway, as nothing else has been enough so far.
my gut says people are avoiding giving trump the excuse of shutting down elections before midterms
after midterms my theory is things are gunna get ugly and all the people who want a show are gunna get one
I have to agree. The people I’ve organized with are also waiting to see how mid terms shake out.
Same. Go out and vote and get ready for violence from the fascist dipshits.
Organized what? baking cookies and waltzing around downtown?
Guys, the blue pedo fascists might win, let’s not even do that walking downtown with gumption thing until after we know for a fact who our kings are. If it’s the guys we like, we can forget about the fact that we are getting raked over the coals by billionaires. Our walking cookiethons won’t be needed.
Dude you are so wrong. The point of the no kings protest is to organize people and encourage them to vote early for the election. It isn’t supposed to be a disruptive protest.
Maybe try getting off your ass and actually doing something instead of agitating for violence on lemmy like a terminally online weirdo.
One of is certainly terminally online, but it’s not me. Take your projection and fuck off. I’ve already lost family members to the Concentration Camps, so kindly take your privilege elsewhere and try being useful for once.
Sad to see innocent businesses getting destroyed. Sad to see schools not being modernized as per request of students and protesters. Sad to see government not doing due diligence to listen to their people, especially children.
Happy to see people protesting not only for 5 hours. Happy to see repercussions of not being heard. Happy to see that France shows the whole world how one should protest.
This video isn’t in the US where the police send in saboteurs to get that kind of shit going.
Which innocent business got destroyed? I’m not doubting some did, but I hear that narrative during every protest, and I have seen them smashing Louis Vuitton and other corps windows but leaving local businesses untouched. That’s how it’s usually been where I’m at when this stuff happens, a business seen as supporting the police or CVS/Target etc got attacked but the local store next door run by cooler people was untouched even without boarded windows in 2020.
I wish No Kings protests in the US looked a little more like this. That’s fucking awesome.
In the US they would open fire and kill hundreds of protestors.
Yeah. It’s not like people don’t remember what happened in Kent State or the Coal mine protest. You can say all you want about the second amendment until you learn the concept of superior firepower.
Perhaps that’s exactly what it would take for some people to snap out of it.
I think in the US you would see this if people felt like they were choosing between dying and dying. If it was die in a riot or starve to death or die of exposure for example. Right now it’s suicide by cop or pretend everything is fine. I think if the US didn’t have insane violent thugs in surplus military gear driving armored vehicles as law enforcement you would see a lot more “action”. The math just doesn’t add up if you know acting this way will likely end up with you dying.
This is what the rest of the world doesn’t understand. It’s been demonstrated in history. Everyone thinks USA Mickey Mouse and Coka Cola! It’s more like the saw movies.
Yeah it’s not my fault I’m a coward, the rest of the world never had to fight in the face of death for their rights so they wouldn’t understand.
Huh actually they do understand seeing as most of them did have to do that.
It is all Mickey Mouse and Coca-Cola. And by that I mean they have you fat and distracted.
Speaking of Mickey Mouse go watch andor again and tell yourself how brave and righteous you were while you watched.
You’re not a coward. You probably never had a gun to your face or bled for six hours, talk about a roller coaster of thoughts.
They keep telling themselves it’s so much tougher to protest in America than it is for France. Whatever makes you feel better.
there aren’t quite enough politically motivated suicidal people for that to happen yet
Thats how change is made
Despite everyone saying they want to die on the internet they don’t actually want to die, hope this helps
Good
Go fuck yourself, those would be good people dying
Good people dying for a good cause. The US is catatonicly lumbering towards self destruction. One death won’t snap anyone out of it. Alex Pretti proved that. It’ll take hundreds of people slaughtered for the people to wake up. If the government doesn’t bury it like China does with Tiananmen Square.
If this was an american no kings protest, those cop cars would have been swerving to hit the protesters.
The cops would later say that the protesters stepped in front of their car, and would get no punishment.
Don’t worry, French cops did it at least one time during the high schoolers protests we had the last few days/weeks. We are witnessing a very violent response from the police here in France (nothing close to what ICE is doing in the USA…yet)
If they did we’d lose the election in a heartbeat. You keyboard warriors who sit at home and do nothing but whine and criticize are the fucking worst.
Leaving this here
Why should these correlate?
It doesn’t show correlation. They’re probably making a point about priorities, because it shows more people attend furry conventions over the course of a year than ICE protests.
Absolutely correct. I made the graph out of a joke and did not expect the result. A lot of US people still believe that what they are doing is “heavily protesting the government”.
And how did you define “ICE protest”? We had 8 million at No Kings in one day last year, funny how that isn’t in your cherry picked graph.
lmao, I know that education is bad, but at least try to read and understand that graph, where it clearly says those are ICE protests, so your allegation of me cherry picking is simply stupid. And if you believe that No Kings was about protesting ICE, then you most likely did not even understand the message you want to transmit to your government
The No Kings protests grew a large number of participants, because US people love to walk around with cardboard signs together with friends. After the protests, everybody went home happy and the next day everything was as if nothing happened.
Just another one believing you are heavily protesting your government while the rest of the world is laughing at you.
One of those is proven to be safe and the other is not
Its not correlation, it’s causation.
furries are the opiates of the masses
Police learning that they’re outnumbered and can’t dig it.
Love to see it!
It is better when they are concerned about beating the shit out of you. They are not soft when people is soft.
So the police aren’t completely militarized yet, like here.
In France one of the only groups, maybe the only? not allowed to unionize is the police
Not the police, as it is one the most unionized group of public servant workers in France, the biggest police union is called alliance, which is considered to be affiliated with the far right, and their spokespersons go bitching on tv like little crybabies every chance they get. The only group not allowed to unionized in France is historically military personnel, so maybe you’re thinking of the gendarmerie who are military and not cops even if most of what they do is cop things.
These cops, no. But these aren’t riot cops. Riot copsin France are legit monsters. Absolutely horrible.
Here in Bordeaux they just started gassing the legal movement super heavily, it was 100% peaceful (no shooting stuff or burning or even firecrackers) was moving for only 5 minutes (this is regular stuff, happens often). Old people, handicapped people, parents with strollers. My friend went to them (the riot police) and asked why they started to gas everyone and could they please let them (him) help people out (you get respiratory problems when you’re gassed, and people get disoriented, scared etc, people was on the floor, panicked), he got gassed.
So this seems to be a biig “blunder”, I mean if they don’t just not give a fuck, which they don’t. They don’t listen? Well then it’s french riot time I guess.
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Protest has always been the peaceful option. And governments somehow think it ends at the peaceful option.
Welp.
Do they murder people? Ours murder a lot of people.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/policekillings_total.html
China isn’t listed, but we couldn’t get reliable numbers from them anyway. China counts as a “wealthy” nation, no doubt. Also, France isn’t listed.
I suspect the U.S. number is too low, as well. We all know our cops cover for each other and lie constantly.
Before clicking on that link, guess how many people in the US are killed by police each year. Remember, this includes justified/self-defense kills, not just bad shootings. In a large country with an armed populous.
How does the actual number compare to your guess?
Holy shit. I thought like 80 might be expected for a 350 million population
They do! Often.
I think they blew off a student’s hand.
The student picked up a stun grenade that had been thrown and it exploded in their hand.
He was 15.
However, regional newspaper La Voix Du Nord quoted a girl, who was reportedly standing near the teenager, as saying he did not pick up the grenade.
“He didn’t pick it up. I was there, I saw it. He didn’t pick it up, he didn’t catch it,” she was quoted as saying.
And
Last week, Eden, 14, was badly hurt in Saint-Ouen-l’Aumône after reportedly being struck in the head by a tear gas grenade.
The student suffered “a double jaw fracture” and had to undergo “extremely major surgery”, according to his lawyer. Interior Minister Laurent Nuñez has announced an investigation.
If he didn’t pick it up or catch it, how did it blow his hand off?
Have you considered a career in journalism?
By exploding near or on his hand, numbnut. This isn’t rocket science. Maybe stop making excuses for violence
Yeah that’s the cops’ version. The students around said that they didn’t pick it up.
Also, even if they did… Are you saying that a kid was at fault for picking up explosives thrown at them? That the only problem in the story, is that he grabbed it, otherwise everything else was fine?
What the fuck.
I completely agree that explosives should not be used against protestors.
Still, I fail to see how a stun grenade can blow your hand off if it’s not in your hand.
That’s because you think a stun grenade’s only job is that it stuns, just like that.
It’s a grenade. It explodes. That’s how it can blow off a hand if it hits one.
At this rate, they will be
it’s cool they’re destroying stuff to get educated better
i wonder if these guys will pass those courses they so desperately want
It’s not the demonstrators, it’s the usual bunch of idiots that use that excuse to break stuff and pillage shops. It’s become pretty much systematic.
Our police have low end military equipment, that’s about it. Being militarized means not having fat lazy 40-60 year olds on the force, and America sure as shit ain’t there yet.
Our police love the optics of having military gear, but quite frankly they aren’t trained and versed on military tactics, discipline, or a number of other things that would make them effective. That’s why when there’s a real problem like a school shooting or hostage situation they just stand around sucking each other off while wearing body army and holding $1500 AR’s. They’re just security theater. They care about getting easy overtime. They want to go home at the end of the day. They don’t want to die violently. They are paper tigers.
The best part is that when one dies or quits, they have to hire a replacement. It would be fairly easy to create a scenario where a PD NEEDS to hire new officers ASAP, then you flood then with Manchurian applicants. Get your man inside, then you’re golden.
Our police love the optics of having military gear, but quite frankly they aren’t trained and versed on military tactics, discipline, or a number of other things that would make them effective. That’s why when there’s a real problem like a school shooting or hostage situation they just stand around sucking each other off while wearing body army and holding $1500 AR’s. They’re just security theater. They care about getting easy overtime. They want to go home at the end of the day. They don’t want to die violently. They are paper tigers.
Weird, that perfectly describes the cops in the US.
Oh and militarized just means giving the cops military equipment, mostly armored vehicles and projectile launchers that wouldn’t normally be used in civilian work. Police are civilians, and I think they understand that in France better than anywhere, because you don’t allow them military vehicles and gear to fight the populace. Unfortunately, no other country got the message. We give MRAPS to our thugs with badges. It’s hard to fight back, even when you have pistols, shotguns, and rifles, when the thugs with badges have crowd control weapons. Sonic inhibitors, UV dispersal units, and lethal options like their standard issue AR-15.
I dunno where the fuck you’re from but American cops definitely aren’t fat 40-60 year old slobs. That’s one of the things that is so dangerous about them, they’re young dudes with a chip on their shoulder and shit to prove (and now let just ICE, they’re the bottom of the barrel but they’re hadly an exception)
Now if you’re from a rich community where everyone has gates and private patrols then yeah maybe it’s all fat old cops collecting a check where nothing happens because they roll out the SWAT team when people from “those other neighborhoods” get near, yeah maybe I see where the idea comes from
You can’t speak for the entire US dude. The cops in rural areas definitely are fat 40-60 year old guys. Still got an AR in the trunk tho.
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I’m filled with joy
And of course, the post is full of Americans trying to justify shit.
Anyone pulling any sort of direct comparison here is being obtuse.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/policekillings_total.html
For those that don’t click the above link, you gotta at least see this…
