Microsoft ensures Windows 11 is compliant with the Digital Markets Act in the European Economic Area.

First RCS now this, today has been wild

  • donuts@kbin.social
    4483·
    10 months ago

    I’m a Linux guy and I don’t really care about Windows, but I’m glad to see this happening and every day I thank Europe for being the main entity fighting for regulation of big tech monopolies, because America is really failing.

    • howler@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1361·
      10 months ago

      Its nuts that during the Obama admin, all anyone cared about was the threat of zero privacy. Now everyone in the US has surrendered to it, because our politicians have sold our digital privacy rights to the tech companies.

    • Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      25·
      10 months ago

      EU is very much a mixed bag. On the one hand, they do this, on the other hand, they tried to ban P2P encryption and microtargetted religious and elderly in resisting countries, feeding them the classic “it’s for the children’s safety” lies.

      • miss_brainfart@lemmy.mlEnglish
        7·
        10 months ago

        Though we have to remind ourselves that it’s mainly the EU Commission who does this.

        The Supreme Court spoke out against it from the very beginning, the Parliament voted against it, it’s really only the Commission who doesn’t want to understand that EU law applies to them, too.

        Quite a few positions in there that need to be held by new people who understand the damn law.

      • maynarkh@feddit.nlEnglish
        1·
        7 months ago

        they tried to ban P2P encryption

        They recently enshrined it as an unalienable human right as a world first.

    • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      10 months ago

      I wonder if Windows in Non-EU areas does not have this kind of choice.

      Well, does not matter, I use Linux, too.

      • ekky43@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        91·
        10 months ago

        Hey hey hey, don’t just go around generalizing. Not all Linux users are like that (but I am, and I use arch BTW).

        Like I’m sure we’re bound to find at least ONE Linux user who doesn’t tell.

      • F04118F@feddit.nlEnglish
        21·
        10 months ago

        I use Linux (one that’s based on Arch btw) Make one guess at:

        • my diet
        • what I think is the best text editor

        Seriously, how am I supposed to keep quiet when I find a clearly superior choice? Especially when most people feel a psychological barrier to trying it, that turns out to be not nearly as big as the adcantages.

          • F04118F@feddit.nlEnglish
            3·
            10 months ago

            Points for the editor, but weirdly enough, not a lot of coffee (<1 per day) and I didn’t drink coffee at all before a few weeks ago.

          • F04118F@feddit.nlEnglish
            2·
            10 months ago

            Exactly! I use neovim as a full IDE (got started quickly using the nvchad template). And I think you know which “at least meat-reduced” diet is most associated with evangelizing ;)

  • BroBot9000@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2134·
    10 months ago

    ABOUT FUCKING TIME. Take edge and shove it so far up your data tracking sphincter of a face hole.

    Can we please get these laws on a global level.

      • BroBot9000@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        10 months ago

        Same way laws are enforced now? Each country passing it and the companies needing to comply to continue operations.

        Why are they force to comply right now if the laws don’t work?

        • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          23·
          10 months ago

          You’re missing the point.

          The ICC only has power in countries that let them have power. If a given country doesn’t feel like doing that, the ICC has precisely zero recourse or ability to enforce.

          What should citizens in countries like that (which may or may not be dictatorships, single-party states, theocracies, or some other restrictive, un-democratic, and/or xenophobic form of government) do?

          • BroBot9000@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7·
            10 months ago

            Yes and I’m saying each country should implement it themselves so that we can reach global saturation. That is what I meant in my original response to op.

            You are taking what I said out of proportion. Obviously we need Superman to enforce a global ruling hand over mankind.

            • Setarkus.LW@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              I was about to say that I’d prefer alien overlords but based on Superman’s origin, he’s got my vote

    • Goodie@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      10 months ago

      If I have to keep a chromium browser around, in addition to Firefox, I’d rather edge than mainline Chrome.

      • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
        5·
        10 months ago

        That’s a false dichotomy. There’s no shortage of Chromium browsers that are significantly better than both.

      • DigitalBits@programming.devEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        I’m not sure I would. Edge is trash, it keeps shoving the AI bullshit, all the MSN news stuff, ads for cheaper shopping, all in your face when you first start up. While you can turn it off, it gets annoying doing that every time you reinstall or spin up a new VM. Chrome, for all its faults, is a lot less annoying freshly installed.

    • jballs@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      I appreciate your sense of relief, but don’t share it. This isn’t the first time Microsoft has been ordered to stop pushing its stuff (remember Internet Explorer?) and I’m sure it won’t be the last.

  • Norgur@kbin.social
    1237·
    10 months ago

    Hey, 'Muricans, how come we need to pressure every company into compliance for you?

  • GiddyGap@lemm.eeEnglish
    1051·
    10 months ago

    Thank you Europe. Once again you prove yourself to be what we all aspire to be.

    • OfflineNerd@lemmy.worldEnglish
      161·
      10 months ago

      It’s a shame that this is only for users in the EEA though, I understand why they didn’t make it a blanket change, but we can dream

      • DigitalBits@programming.devEnglish
        121·
        10 months ago

        Hey, I’ll change to use the N version of windows if it’ll get me this feature. Forced software on your devices is something I loathe.

        • Madis@lemm.eeEnglish
          8·
          10 months ago

          You probably just have to change your region to any EEA country, such as Ireland.

  • CafecitoHippo@lemm.eeEnglish
    962·
    10 months ago

    As an American, all I can say is thank you Europe for continuing to have sensible legislation that forces these companies to have decent policies worldwide if only to comply with EU laws. I only use Windows on my company provided laptop but just because I don’t need to worry about it personally doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t care about how it affects others.

  • blind3rdeye@lemm.eeEnglish
    90·
    10 months ago

    So apparently having consumer-friendly laws does in fact lead to better products. Cool.

    Perhaps the USA and other countries should follow the EU’s good example on this.

    • pete_the_cat@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      10 months ago

      Yeah this isn’t as good as it sounds, the other 5 continents are still stuck with all of this garbage.

        • 1371113@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          10 months ago

          They’ll just enable/disable features based on geolocation. I doubt it’ll be a whole different version like in the good old days.

            • 1371113@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              10 months ago

              Yup, but then you’ll still have the same frustration we have now, running the script every time there’s a feature update and the bloat gets reinstalled. If it wasn’t for games and work I’d be using nothing but macOS and Linux.

                • 1371113@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  10 months ago

                  I used to be super anti-apple but now buy MacBooks for the longevity. Less ewaste. Over time actually more cost effective. My daily driver is a nearly 9 year old MacBook that I replaced the battery on 2 years ago. Still getting official updates too. My father laid out twice the price of it for a high end XPS machine in 2019 and it died inside 5 years. Apple actually fix manufacturing issues without a huge amount of fuckery like HP/dell. I can’t speak to iPads and iPhones but Macs just last longer so end up being cheaper in the long run.

        • PoolloverNathan@programming.devEnglish
          7·
          10 months ago

          The problem is that showing enough politicians money effectively makes you become the government. There’s minimal chance of a law being introduced unless a rich person or corporation backs it, and EU laws would interfere with their shady business practices.

        • DigitalBits@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          Not big enough to force companies to make large changes. The US is, China and India are. But what about Australia or New Zealand? Or any of the individual south american countries? Too many changes, microsoft or one of the other big players will just pull out of the market, or threaten to pull out.

          • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
            3·
            10 months ago

            If they already have a version compatible with EU law, they will just roll it out instead of removing an entire country from their market.

            Would be a bad business move otherwise.

            Of course, only if the laws don’t force even more restrictions.

    • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      11·
      10 months ago

      I got Dev Home on my home rig. Swifly executed the powershell command to uninstall thr sYsTeMs aPp.
      Fuck off MS.

            • Nommer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              8·
              10 months ago

              No thanks. I don’t need more apps bloating up my browser and slowing it down even more. Plus what if they don’t support my choice of browser? Now we’re back to square one. Just port the programs over to run on the OS. Much less headache that way

            • systemglitch@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              10 months ago

              That’s more finger printing to get tracked by, no thanks. I like to keep my browser apps slim and generic as possible to blend in with other privacy concerned people.

              At th same time, I 100% understand why you would find it appealing, and recognize it may very well be a good thing overall.

            • PoolloverNathan@programming.devEnglish
              2·
              10 months ago

              Lots of things already have Linux alternatives; I’ve heard people mostly stay on Linux for the anticheat-enabled games that are usually only one developer setting away from Linux compatibility.

            • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              10 months ago

              Wrappers can be used to do it locally.
              Some Android apps are basically nothing more than a web agent.
              Give me the basics of the web end with a pretty html5 rendered front end locally and done. No need for web apps for which you are required to be online at all times.

        • lntl@lemmy.mlEnglish
          12·
          10 months ago

          I can’t think of tasks that can only be done with MS. unless you mean playing specific games, then that could be something

        • Rogue@feddit.ukEnglish
          22·
          10 months ago

          I do understand - but as a society we’re working to remove unnecessary gendered terms from our language. I believe in doing similar with religious terms.

          Language is important. If we’re thanking a deity for the work of government it’s both minimalising the work of elected representatives and exclusionary to other cultures.

  • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
    752·
    10 months ago

    Yeah turns out businesses behave when you legislate their misdeeds instead of just calling them job creators

  • Smacks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    681·
    10 months ago

    Now there will be two versions of Windows. One that adheres to EU regulation, and another that’s filled with ads for everyone else.

  • query@lemm.eeEnglish
    641·
    10 months ago

    They say if you don’t pay, you’re the product, but that’s obviously bullshit, paying solves nothing. The saying should be never trust corporations.

    • demonsword@lemmy.worldEnglish
      361·
      10 months ago

      and that’s the only long-term winning move, because MS shenanigans will never end

      • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.eeEnglish
        8·
        10 months ago

        Exactly. All the latest chaos that Microsoft does, you know you’ll be immune and your desktop will be the same for as long as you get bored of it lol.

      • no banana@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        10 months ago

        I may have lost my sound card drivers, but at least I’ve not got to put up with windows (don’t worry I’ve got an external soundcard)!

    • set_secret@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      10 months ago

      I, really really want to switch to Linux. I duel boot and use Linux for study. but there are some apps I just can’t get around, and have to switch back to Windows for. I ran some cool scripts that stripped Windows of bloat and uninstalled edge and ads, and I have to say. it’s almost as nice as Linux now. runs faster too.

      • 0ddysseus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        10 months ago

        Its a bit of drama but if you have a look at setting up qemu with virtual machine manager its worthwhile.

        It makes virtual machines that directly utilize the hardware, meaning you can run your stripped out windows inside a window on your Linux desktop.

        Its pretty hard to get your GPU to pass through but if its non-gpu oriented apps you need its perfect. My fixed windows VM boots in about 10 seconds, has next to zero network usage, uses 2 cpus and 4gb of ram, and just runs its couple of little apps no trouble every day

        • DigitalBits@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          You need 2 GPUs (essentially) for GPU passthrough to work correctly. I gave it a go once and it never worked correctly. Absolutely right for non GPU apps though, or with some VM’s, older games.

      • no banana@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        10 months ago

        Honestly what finally pushed me was when windows suddenly decided that going to sleep and keeping on sleeping was too much to ask for. Haven’t found anything that doesn’t work on Linux yet, but I mostly play games.

    • KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.caEnglish
      31·
      10 months ago

      Same, but I switched back today. DaVinci Resolve doesn’t support AAC audio on Linux, even on the paid version (literally everything uses AAC audio). The closest thing to any kind of usable photo editor is photopea, and that’s web only.

      Linux is just unusable for media creation, unfortunately.

    • kratoz29@lemm.eeEnglish
      31·
      10 months ago

      Man I miss Linux, I swear one day I’ll install it on my old Mac, at least as a funny project.