Toyota boasts new battery technology with 745-mile range and 10-minute charging time — here’s how it may impact mass EV adoption::The potential to significantly reduce pollution could be huge.
2010 investigating solid state
2013 mentions working on solid state
2017 ETA commercialize by Early 2020s
2019 Will establish a joint venture with Panasonic by 2020 no ETA on batteries
2023 June commercialization in 2027-2028
Note that further interviews state: limited production starts in 2027 The 745 and 10 min charging are worded as “could enable” IE will NOT be in the 2027-28 initial release.
They also plan to introduce it in hybrids first.
And that’s assuming they put in a battery that large and not a marginally bigger battery than the competitors.
I mean, nobody actually needs that big of a battery. The vast majority drive less than what EV batteries provide.
If they can introduce a car that weighs 2,000lbs less and have a battery replacement half that of the competitors, while providing the same range, that’s a huge win.
I think it’s still reasonable to focus on the 250ish mile range. I have a semi-old 2018 PHEV that gets 15-20 miles on electric plus 350 miles on gas and I fill up a few times a year. I live relatively close to work but 100 miles of electric range would be enough for 99% of people.
But when I leave the beaten path, I still use a good chunk of the gas engine. Going on a normal road trip on interstates is fine but rural gas stations aren’t converting yet. It still takes planning to go off the beaten path even if it’s obvious we’ll get there.
Pretty sure I saw something recently where they said they’d only have the batteries to make 10k SSB cars a year by 2030
It still blows my mind that Toyota single-handedly made hybrids a very successful thing and yet squandered that position to Elon effing Musk. Toyota could’ve been THE market-leader for EVs while still making a killing with the Prius and ICE cars. They’d have a solid lock in all markets.
Toyota has one of the best reliability reputations of any automaker and yet anyone in the EV market (like I was recently) passes them over because they have zero models to sell. Instead of parlaying the Prius’ R&D into a viable EV too, they’ve left money on the table. Hyundai has gone all in and is selling a ton of EVs. I see more of theirs / Kia’s on the road than anything else (besides teslas).
I was in the impression that Toyota didn’t see full EVs as viable products in long term. Sticking with hybrids was the safe option.
I see a couple of Tesla’s a week, everything else is Hyundai or Kia…even the RAV4 is less popular than it was 2 years ago.
And I was sitting/driving only the cheap Hyindais, but even a mid-range Kia looks cool and solid inside, I enjoyed using carsharing Souls, sat in an expensive bus-of-a-car minivan, and I see no difference in comfort with Mercedes c or e class respectively. (Sorry Mercedes fans, I’m not against you, it’s just kias are nice)
The only reason why the Koreans are not leaders yet is because it’s “yet”Hyundai has gone all in and is selling a ton of EVs. I see more of theirs / Kia’s on the road than anything else (besides teslas).
That’s what really strikes me, even more than Teslas. I see legacy manufacturers complain about no one wanting EVs or they can’t build EVs for sufficient profit, and backsliding on their transition plans.
I have relatives working for legacy manufacturers and asked them: doesn’t this strike you as similar to the 1970s? Legacy manufacturers sticking to what they know and trying to convince themselves the world isn’t changing. That led to the rise of Toyota, Honda, etc, as world leaders. this time you have Hyundai/Kia quickly climbing the ladder from their start as a low cost alternative, to a market leader, maybe soon a volume leader. Will the legacy manufacturers suffer the same losses as they did in the 1970s?
You will see the market move to phevs. Having a 400 Mike battery is stupid for most people nearly every day.
20, 40, 80 mile phevs are going to be what 95% of people need and is going to reduce battery needs.
I doubt it: BEV technology is already past phev for most people. Some of the advantages of BEV are based on simplifying, never needing the thousands of parts and hundreds of pounds that is an engine and transmission. Never needing the maintenance or fluids to support all that. They’ll eventually be cheaper by having a shorter supply chain and faster manufacturing. They don’t need the complexity.
Ok, currently rural areas need the complexity of phev. But even the most rural house already has electricity that can support a charger, and supercharging networks are rapidly expanding, so even this is only true for the next few years
These “breakthroughs” are Toyota “Full-Self Driving next year!” fluff and I’ll believe it when it’s shipped and performing.
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Available in 2027 or 2028. I might be in the market around then, though I’m sure they’re gonna push it to the luxury brands first as an upgrade.
If there was any chance of this being viable by 2028, they would have a demo car today that works
Car production timelines are LONG
Yes this. If those years were realistic there would be a car we’d be looking at in prototype form.
They could maybe make the battery the same form factor as the other one already in production so it wouldn’t be an issue. The battery tech may not allow that… but it’s possible.
The rest of the vehicle just cares about the voltage coming from the battery.
It requires years of test drives to go to market and get production quantities enough to sell
There is a 0% chance it’s available in 2028 if there isn’t a demo unit today.
It might be in some high end “we’ll sell 1,000 of these cars” by then
It’s a battery, they can probably forgo a lot of the usual testing since it’s only necessary to match voltage performance requirements.
In theory, it could also be used to replacing existing vehicles batteries as well.
They can’t bypass certifications
They’ve also been pushing hydrogen and not working on BEVs while everyone else was working on BEVs
I like your optimism, but this is just marketing fluff that won’t come to market on that timeline
I don’t know if the journalist didn’t understand, or Toyota lied, but it’s not happening by 2028
What certification does it need other than be certified by Toyota for use?
You’re right it’s unlikely to happen, but not for any technical or testing reasons like you claimed. If Toyota wants to make it be able to replace existing ones, it’s entirely possible. There’s nothing stopping them other than the battery technology not being able to be the same formfactor for performance.
Then Toyota has some magic power that all the other car companies I work with don’t
I know Tesla plays fast and loose with NHTSA regulations, but I doubt Toyota will
This battery technology will have to pass safety inspections, just as Li-ion
Dude, Toyota is bullshitting like this for the last 20 years exactly for the reason you’ve written.
Excellent make it then makr a cheaper, lighter option with half that range.
Makes me even more optimistic about future EV retrofitting. I have an FJ Cruiser that has an incredible amount of room for batteries between the frame rails; I’d love to have it be retrofitted one day.
I’m hoping to retrofit my plugin Prius.
There are companies that EV motors that fit LS mounts however you still have to fab the battery mounts yourself.
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Because the current charging stations don’t have enough to kill someone? This seems really overblown, like they’re just going to have live wires you have to connect to your car or something. There will probably be no real difference in charging for the user.
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Same goes with an open tank of a combustible liquid, right? And filling it with a combustible liquid gun. Sooo safe!
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How do they jump out?
And yet millions of drivers pump flammable liquids into their car every day. I fail to see why you’re lumping lithium battery instability in with this new solid state battery tech.
Gosh, 🤣 … the image of having carbonized and/or partially vaporized humans quickly switched my awe in the technology into repugnance.
Darn, why does amaizing technology often end up with horrifying set backs and adverse effects?
Its because the flesh is weak. We must replace it with the strength and certainty of steal, praise the Omnisiah!
YOU. WILL. BE. UPGRADED.
Do you know what a gigawatt of electron flow does to a human body?
“The company has estimated that vehicles boasting solid-state batteries could be available starting in 2027 or 2028.”
Could be available a few years from now? Wake me up if that actually happens.
Cool, do trains next. Mass transit is the answer to transportation needs. We need: Electric bikes with a 250 mile range. Electric busses and trains. Neighborhood charge stations. Shared neighborhood battery packs piwered by solar.
We can build a better future.
Trains are easy enough to electrify with current technology, no need for batteries.
Yeaaahh, I’ll press x to doubt, yet again.
First off, 745 miles range on a battery is a weird thing as batteries don’t drive. Cars, bikes and the such do, batteries use mAH for example.
Second, any “revolutionary batter” is bullshit. Why? Because I’ve seen about 3625 revolutionary new batteries in the past 30 years, and 99.99% of them have been bullshit.
Batteries are pretty much at the upper level of what’s possible with batteries as we currently have them, so either we switch to something revolutionary as antimatter batteries or something else esoteric, or wel’ll be happy to add 5% to what we already got.
I will never buy an ev until it has at least a 500 mile drive in it and less than an hour full recharge…
Yes I drive less than 10 miles on average daily. More typically, half that. But my immediate family is 250 miles away, extended is more than 500. And I have a lot of Boomer funerals coming up.
You know you can stop to charge right? People make cross country trips in EVs with 200 miles of range daily.
Some people prefer to piss in a bottle and drink 2 day old coffee kept in thermos.
Well we should definitely base our entire energy policy on the edge cases of people who piss in bottles and drink old coffee to endanger everyone else on the road.
Just think of how far we could go as society this way!
