My “favorite” lecture from young people is the one in which they berate me for “stealing content” by not watching ads on YouTube.
I have a vivid memory of YouTube being a platform where normal people could share videos of their kids and pets or other fun random low quality but entertaining things
I don’t understand why they think we care if we’re stealing content regardless. I pirate movies and TV shows, but they don’t whine about that, in fact, most will approve of it. Why draw the line at YouTubers?
They often say that we’re screwing the person who runs the channel. In reality, I’m willing to bet my left nutsack that they make a fuckton more from the occasional donations than from ads, once Google, MCNs, and the government take their share.
Pretty sure most YouTubers and streamers will tell you exactly that. Sponsorships and brand deals make them way way more
One of my random channels I watch straight up tells people to use adblocks and don’t give YouTube a cent.
Patreon and merch sales are also make them money.
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Because they think that they’ll be YouTube superstars one day, and we’re stopping them
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YouTube has increased the amount of ads that used to be standard by about 1000%. You used to get about 22-26 minutes of actual content per 30 minutes of viewing. On YouTube it’s about 2 minutes of advertising per 0.5-3 minutes of viewing. The majority of the things I watch on YouTube are short 30 second videos to see specific things, but Google seems to think it’s okay to show me 2-3 minute long commercials before letting me see the 30 second blurb telling me the foot pounds per square inch I need to apply to my brake calipers before I can finish my brake change job. This is even more annoying now that Google doesn’t surface this type of information on regular websites, where I can just quickly read the spec.
TLDR: fuck Google and fuck ads
Google thought process includes how many page views you will go thru before showing you the page with the answer.
It feels like YouTube has become the new Hollywood with production companies and YouTubers becoming celebrities and whatnot. Such a far cry from it’s beginnings as a place where people would upload random family videos that nobody watched.
Literally the first video posted was one of the creators in a selfie video at the zoo. That’s the YouTube I want back. That’s what it was meant to be.
really funny to me that it’s now been split into parts on the scroll bar
The family members watched them, which was good enough for the person uploading it. Not everything needs to be about money and exposure. Ugghh! K.k kill me.
Nobody’s forcing people to give them money. Blame the sheep, not the shepard.
I have an honest question and I feel like Lemmy is a good place to have a real discussion on this. To preface this, I use adblock too so I’m kinda calling myself a hypocrite with this question :P
Why do we expect any free service not to have ads? If a paid service like Netflix introduced ads I’d be pissed, and same goes for cable TV these days. But why would something free like Youtube not have ads? How can we be bothered by ads on a service we’re getting for free?
Someone help me reconcile this for my own well-being haha.
Why do we expect any free service not to have ads?
Youtube has the right to serve ads along with the content, but it does not have the right to dictate what I can or can’t do with the data once it hits my machine. It has no more right to hijack my property to force them upon me than it does to strap me to a chair and force my eyes open, A Clockwork Orange style.
If Youtube doesn’t like that arrangement, its recourse is to serve a
403: forbiddeninstead of the video data.There’s also a deeper discussion to be had whether corporations have any sort of right to exist in their current form in the first place, but I’ll leave that for another time.
Is is like muting during a commercial break, or going out of the room to do something else. What happens in my home, is under my control. You want to stop me from doing that? Refuse to serve me content. I’m fine with that
It’s like flipping over the ad pages in a magazine. It’s like taking the advertisement brochures out of a newspaper and throwing them into the trash. It’s like leaving the room during halftime break. It’s like taping a show without the commercial breaks. It’s like walking past a poster without reading it. It’s like getting your letters from the mailbox and throwing away the advertising mailers. It’s like going to the cinema and talking during the ads that are playing before the movie. It’s like walking down the sidewalk and ignoring the people trying to sell you merchandise. It’s like switching channels when commercials come on.
But for some reason, people are trying to tell me that I’m ethically and morally in the wrong for blocking fucking YouTube ads.
Well said. I’ll remember this point next time blocking YouTube ads comes up in discussion.
You’re asking someone who’d spent a good chunk of my life creating Skyrim mods for free and volunteering for services in my community with no recompense or desire for money how I expect people to contribute things they presumably enjoy without getting paid? To be clear, you’re asking me this from a server on a federated platform that is held together with community love and free-will donations?
I know we’ve been conditioned by capitalism to reduce everything to its monetary worth, but I feel like we should know better here.
Fair point, but the instance I use doesn’t allow image uploads because of the disk space issue. Videos take way more space than that. And, of course, you can’t just slap in a single drive, you need RAID or something so when a drive fails, you don’t lose stuff.
Add in bandwidth concerns, and it’s a legitimate question. Hosting a general video site can’t be cheap, and people generally won’t pay for it.
If we did want a community run video hosting site ala Lemmy, how would that work? What would it cost the hosters?
That’s PeerTube. Idk what it’s costing the hosts exactly, but my server is apparently bringing in enough in donations to be viable.
Idk I don’t really care that much about video content, so I’ll leave that up to someone else to parse. If someone provides an entirely free, ad-free way to share videos, then great. If not, then oh well.
To add on to what the others have said, there should always be competition between free and paid services. Free services should provide only what they are capable of with the limitations they operate under due to a donation model, while paid services can use all the advantages they can get with advertising, big budgets for hosting, etc. Free and open-source often still won under these conditions. Think Encarta against Wikipedia. If paid wins, that’s fine, people can still have a reasonably good alternative with the free option.
The problem arises when a corporation builds on the back of a free resource, and then starts charging users once the network effects kick in. With YouTube, Google was able to leaverage 20 years worth of videos that people lovingly uploaded (although 10 of those years were in the post-ad plagued world) and then start forcing people to bend to their monetization rules. Most of those people didn’t upload to YouTube because they wanted to make money off their videos, they just wanted to share a funny video. If given the choice, they would have chosen free instead of ad-driven. We have no choice since all that content is now locked behind YouTube’s ad walls.
Now it’s so commercialized that I’m not posting anything on YouTube anymore, simply because I know that I’m going to get so many emails about how my video of me building a Lego set or whatever, violated some new social taboo that was invented 5 minutes ago, and how they are going to send the YouTube police after me to send me to the shadow Realm
Never understood that idea of thought. I decide what happens in my machine and my browser
Remember when people just uploaded videos to YouTube for fun instead of money?
Lol, I’ve got a friend that likes to tell me how his YouTube Red subscription pays for his favorite streamers’ bills.
Like… Just give those people the money directly. Why pay Google the lions share? I guess some people just enjoy the taste of boot. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I have a vivid memory of YouTube being a platform where normal people could share videos of their kids and pets or other fun random low quality but entertaining things
this is now TikTok. YouTube hasn’t been that platform for a long time, since at least Vine.
I’m not sure what those two paragraphs have to do with each other.
Skill issue
Not really going to get into it with you, because you clearly have your mind made up, but you pretty much nailed why at the end.
I have a vivid memory of YouTube being a platform where normal people could share videos of their kids and pets or other fun random low quality but entertaining things
People spend a lot of time and money making videos these days. They aren’t just random low quality things. They have teams of sometimes hundreds, use cameras worth half a million dollars, and may take a week or month to record said video while paying those hundreds of employees.
Again, not going to change your mind, Lemmy is very open about not giving a shit about others when it comes to money, but it’s not 2006 anymore, and people need to make their money back AND pay their employees.
Personally I’m fine watching a few ads to support the content I clearly want to watch. Seems weird you’d be interested enough in what someone has to show you, but refuse to help them in any way, but whatever.
Remember guys, don’t forget to hit the downvote button if you haven’t already. How dare I say anything positive that isn’t just “fuck ads, fuck YouTube, fuck everyone!”
Shit, thank you for the reminder at the end.
Don’t worry, you didn’t need it.
Lemmy losers click downvote the millisecond anyone says something positive about anything non-FOSS, or a bigger corporation. You already clicked that button, just like you’ve already downvoted this one.
Not me though. Lemmy.one disables downvotes, so your comments look upvoted to me.
But yeah, fuck corporations, I’m onboard with that.
people need to make their money back AND pay their employees.
that’s very much a “them” problem. if i don’t want to watch ads, you won’t guilt me into it.
Ok, poor boy.
send me money and i won’t be poor. maybe i’ll be rich enough to watch an ad.
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You read their comments. You should pay them for the content they produced.
I wonder how many hours of your life you’ve freely given to the corpos making billions in profit, just freely throwing it at them like it’s not your most important personal resource.
Keep licking that boot.
If they use all that stuff to shoot the video, it means they already made it or they spent money they shouldn’t have.
I didn’t mind getting a handful of ads an hour, i do mind that i now get like 20 minutes to watch some youtube because adulting sucks and Youtube is like: swallow these 7 ads bitch, guess what bitch we forgot we showed you 7 have some more cunt and now my 20 minutes is fucked, so i say: time for Youtube to get bent.
If what i hear is right, they are and have been operating in the red for a long time. Half of their creators are better business people than they are.
If they use all that stuff to shoot the video, it means they already made it or they spent money they shouldn’t have.
Pretty clear you’ve never owned a business. You have to invest money to start it.
But you have to invest within your budget broski.
Tell me how to filter all that highly polished crap from my feed and searches, because I don’t want it. I hate all that shit being shoved at me. If I wanted to watch someone spouting bad takes with a highly polished commercial-friendly veneer, I’d watch cable. I hate all those monetized channels, and they can all go under for all I care, along with that entire hellsite. Then more people would support actually good non-monetized projects like peertube.
Even if what I’m doing is stealing, it’s a good thing. Can’t wait for YouTube’s demise. It’s not a fun site to use anymore because all the good non-monetized content gets buried in favor of these soul-sucking assholes.
I don’t even click people’s links anymore, because it’s always some rich bearded white male with the most painful content.
Do you have a problem with people skipping ads or blocking ads?
If you feel that way, you should really be paying for YouTube premium, since that actually gives more money to the creators you watch than ads would. That’s the one thing that sold me on it.
I agree with your thought process but supporting YouTube by paying for it after they intentionally enshitified it to the point where you want to is the entire problem.
Use an adblocker and donate directly to creators. If someone needs to steal my time to afford to run their business, then they can’t afford to run their business.
Again, it’s about supporting the creators without the absurdly high cost of several dozen Patreon subs, not about avoiding the ads. If I could pay $15/mo to Patreon and have it distribute a portion of that to 60 different people based upon how much of their content I viewed that month, that’d certainly be the way to go.
You don’t have to support every creator. If they’re making money they’re fine, if their financial position is greater than yours, they don’t need your financial support.
Honestly it doesn’t seem to take very long at all. I watched live as the insurrectionists attempt to overturn democracy in the US during their failed auto-coup on January 6th less than 3 years ago.
Though there was some “it’s not real” talk in the immediate aftermath the idea that it was a false flag, antifa, not an insurrection, not a big deal, just tourists having an afternoon scroll, etc. seems to be growing.
I wonder why the “left wing radical Democrat antifa operatives engaging in a false flag attack to make Trump look bad” marched under banners with Trump’s name, admitted they were doing it for Trump, in some cases ran for office on the Republican ticket, and are actively being protected by Republican politicians.
It was a near immediate campaign to convince people not to believe their lying eyes and ears. I think deep down, the spin doctors know that they’re lying though.
Oh, is it time for that Sartre quote again?
“Never believe that [they] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. [They] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
It’s not that deep. They want power and will lie cheat and steal the entire country to achieve it.
Conspiracy people swing from “I only believe my own eyes and ears” to “I don’t believe even what I see”. Essentially the only reality is the construct in their minds and it will be defended at all costs to protect their ego.
Pretty astonishing when the whole thing was basically live streamed. I member watching it as it happened
Watching terrorist Ashli Babbitt get shot from multiple angles, then seeing comments from Trumpers like:
- She’s a hero
- She’s a false flag
- She’s not actually dead
- She didn’t do anything wrong
And this is barely two years. Going to bet a decade from now, the misinformation will be worse.
Fun to consider, if these were BLM protestors doing the exact same thing, they would be cheering the loudest.
I bet what would be even louder would be their criticism of Capitol Police for not doing their job. It was such an important proceeding in the very Capitol of God’s chosen country, so they had more than enough justification to gun down all the darkies.
A recent Behind the Bastards on Alex Jones (part 1) has recordings of Info Wars from January 6 - before Jones had had a chance to call in and tell them to shut the fuck up before they got noticed as being complicit
It’s funny (and scary) hearing them being like, “It’s all happening! The second American Revolution is underway! The Patriots have control of the Capitol!”
Jones quickly learned that he needs his listeners to be “panic-adjacent” rather than actually in panic mode. Panicking people don’t buy brain pills.
I was sitting in a control room at work while it was happening and all the conservative coworkers I had were saying “Look at all those Antifa’s pretending to be Trump supporters!”
I’m glad I left that job…
Probably the same people who go “The government is incapable of running anything” and the next thing out of their mouth is how the government is running some perfectly secret massive plot. Somehow it is top secret but people like them know about it.
Same thing in Canada with the fucker convoy in Ottawa. Traitors tried to overthrow a democratically elected government, literal fascists were present and Ottawa was held captive by these morons. Conservatives attempt to frame it as fake and a party. Fuck them.
tbf, they were doing that while the occupation was happening
Canadians for Trump is possibly the cringiest moment in Canadian history.
The hell? None of what you just said happened. There were a lot of attempts to make that seem so. Remember the rash of police chiefs resigning and that bullshit with the stolen semi full of guns from a cop shop? The only literal fascists there were the fucking cops you clown.
Well, see, the mistake was expecting any of this to make sense. They gave up on even pretending to make sense a long time ago, it is all Gish galloping away now - because, as long as you say the Magic Keywords that make people’s brains make with the angry chemicals, it doesn’t actually necessarily matter what else you say.
I was telling someone much younger than myself that airports didn’t always completely suck to go through. I explained how the TSA wasn’t a thing and the experience was closer to getting on a bus or a train pre 9/11.
He had a hard time wrapping his head around it because he’s never experienced it.
Made me feel very old.
And then you tell them that baggage fees didn’t used to be a thing and you can see their train of thought go off the tracks.
I still regard post-9/11 as an aberration. It feels like if I accept it as the new normal I’ve failed some duty to humanity.
It made the world weird - especially politics. I still attribute the extreme polarization that we see today to the aftermath of 9/11.
Don’t get me wrong, I know people had strong opinions before 2001, but it didn’t seem like political party was as significant a part of the average person’s identity like it is now.
I think there’s a pretty strong case that the polarization started before 9/11 - Rush Limbaugh, talk radio conservatism, and the race for evangelicals had been making US conservatives more polarized since the 1980s. The attacks might have made it more apparent, but commentators were decrying polarization in the 1990s.
I have the same opinion. Gotta wonder if that wasn’t Osama bin Ladens’s plan all along
To be fair, with time we can learn about what happened and understand it better than whatever the media at the time thought.
While this is true in some cases I’m still waiting on concrete evidence the moon landing was fake.
It’s right there - you just have to do your own research!
/s
Dude went on this long rant to me about the moon landing being fake and then goes “it’s not like I think the earth is flat or anything.”
Last I heard he now thinks we live under a dome or something so that didn’t last long
I spent the entire 9/11 era screaming at the television. I actually worked in television and got run off my job because of it
What do you expect when you read stuff like this?
It blows younger people’s minds, when I mention my grandmother spent time in a concentration camp.
Why aren’t they learning about it in school like I did?
It’s easy to blame young adults for being ignorant, but here’s another question: Who was in charge of schooling us when we were children and teens who should have been taught historical events like this in a dedicated environment for learning? Who defunded public schools to the point where teachers have to buy their own school supplies and schools literally have to force students to guilt trip strangers into buying chocolate bars to fundraise? Who thought extracurricular programs like history clubs were wastes of money and the children not only didn’t deserve them, but that we’re the entitled selfish generation for wanting them?
Now more and more young adults are self-learning things like this on our own time by taking online courses, but according to the boomers that’s apparently also a sign of our failure.
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One disorientating thing about getting older that nobody tells you about is how weird it feels to get a really passionate, extremely wrong lecture from a much younger person about verifiable historical events you can personally remember pretty well
Good human
So what can jet fuel do?
I would imagine it is pretty good at powering jet engines…
I find that suggestion surprising.
Indeed?
I will allways upvote SG-1 memes
Wish I could upvote my own comment twice
Melt dank memes
Melt steel deez
Deez nuts amirite
Turn the residents of Scotland into communists, apparently.
It’s cute that Lemmy already has classic reposts
It’s concerning that people still upvote regurgitated content here. It doesn’t bode well for the future of the website, since there is already so little content here compared to Reddit.
Do you keep a mental database of every post you’ve ever read? Or do you scroll through an entire community until you reach the end?
Because otherwise, reposts or recycled content seem fine, imo…
I find the opposite more annoying. If your memory of those events is accurate there’s plenty of things to point to to back it up.
But then you have older people like my father who…I don’t know, something has completely rewritten their memories of significant events to the point where he claims many things happened differently than verifiable recorded history. It’s impossible to argue with that because of him seeing me pointing out that’s not true as an attack and accusing him of lying.
Sounds like it’s time to stick him in a home
What would you think if your parents say it’s time to put you up for adoption every time you get into an argument? What a fucking weird thing to get upset over and think of throwing your parents away just because of an argument
Fr it adult homes make sense for people without children or problematic families, but how can you take a person who has raised you and showered you with love and stick him in a glorified hospital?
but how can you take a person who has raised you and showered you with love and stick him in a glorified hospital?
Because they didnt.
I have no interest in so much as talking to my parents. They did the bare minimum to get me to 18 and that was it. Everything else was for them. So fuck you if I don’t want to give them the same goddamn treatment so I can break the cycle and focus on my own damn family.
Love how you ignored the other part of my comment.
What a weirdly aggressive comment, calm down. It’s a comment section on the internet, don’t get so emotional.
My favorite was arguing with a much older (late 70s) friend of my dad’s about how Obama ruined the economy and stock market, and when I told him that was objectively not true and the GFC was in full swing well before Obama was even elected, he was like “I know because I owned stocks and stuff, how would you even know?” Even when I pulled up a graph of the S&P 500 and showed the days he was elected and sworn in, he just said “Oh, that can’t be right, the graph must be wrong”. Showing the DOW and other composites from multiple sources did nothing to convince him. He was absolutely positive his retirement fund was doing great up until Obama was elected.
Yes Jerry, I’m sure that the entire stock market was just wrong, and it’s not the fact you consume nothing but FOX News and will only refer to the 44th president as “The N*gger” potentially causing a bit of bias.
Or maybe someone rewrote the books. I’ve long had a suspicion a lot of the Mandela effect is just people with long memories who missed the propaganda rewrite.
I find it strange that people somehow mistrust all of the news and history of today but think the very same news sources and historians of the past were somehow accurate.
The news is written in a hurry. History is written with perspective. Both are drawing upon the same sources in the modern era except the history has more time to cross reference them. It is only natural that we get a better, clearer version of history as time and research is allowed to work on it.
I’m convinced humans have some kind of natural inherent fetishization of “old knowledge”.
If it happened outside of living memory they somehow knew more or had special magical knowledge we just don’t understand or can’t interpret from our perspective. The older, the more true people can be convinced that it is.
As if there is some kind of “platonic ideal” of thoughts or ideas from which all others are derived from, where the further back something back it is, it MUST be more true
I really hope this is just missing the /s at the end.
But in case it isn’t…
Which is more likely? That all the media outlets have gone through all of their records and replaced them with different records and all the books out there have been trashed and replaced with new books saying different things and the internet has been scrubbed of all of the real stories and photos and replaced with fake ones? Or that a few misguided people, who weren’t paying very close attention in the first place, misremembered an event?
If someone’s take on 9/11 doesn’t go back to at least the early 1980s, it’s probably not worth taking too seriously. It didn’t start on 9/11, that’s just the date millions of people were forced into hearing about the messy and complex conflicts. A witness on ground zero doesn’t become a 9/11 expert.
The 4th season of the podcast Blowback does an excellent job of covering the background, both within and beyond the borders of Pakistan and Afghanistan. I highly recommend it.
Hot take: memory is pliable.
I’m surprised you remembered…
It’s okay, there were weird takes about 9/11 when 9/11 was fresh in our minds too.
Like the president of the US trying to blame it on Iraq for some reason.
So he could invade Iraq and get revenge for his daddy.
Never had this happen to me and I’m getting older. Maybe someday.
Same, but I think it’s because the only person I talk to is my wife.
Memories are worse than research
People are adamant that unpaid days off in the 90s meant people had to work without pay
Meaningless sentence. Research is a loose definition, memories are loose definition. Research is written by people with memories. Memories are written by first hand research. Words are cheap. Nothing is real
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